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John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	Saw this the other day and I noticed that both scores are very similar. Did he copy Goldsmith or what? Your views. JW.
posted 01-19-2001 03:56 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	How are they simular?
posted 01-19-2001 04:13 PM PT (US)

John Dunham Oscar® Winner	They are similar, but that is because U-571 was temp-tracked with AFO. Both scores are quite good, though, and while you can hear similarities, they are both clearly unique. NP: Serial Mom - Edited, Poledouris
posted 01-19-2001 05:23 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Other than one thmatic idea, I don't notice any concrete simularites other than the genre.
posted 01-19-2001 05:33 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	(hand on forehead icon) The backbone of the theme is totally Air Force One. It's like listening to Air Force One and trying to create your own variation on its theme, but ending up just meandering around and making noise. Hard to explain, Shaun NP---Grateful Dead, American Beauty (see, you don't have to be a complete hemphead to appreciate this)
posted 01-19-2001 09:10 PM PT (US)

Tim_P Oscar® Winner	Wow, I don't want to sound like a condescending elitist ass, but U-571 is the most unoriginal overrated film score I've heard in a long time. I don't mean to slam Marvin, because I don't know if he was forced to copy Air Force One or not. However, there's about a million references to Air Force One in the FIRST TWO TRACKS ALONE! The themes, the accented snare drum ostinatos, the sliding trombone growls, the sporadic brass chords, need I continue?? The score may work in the film but it is TOTALLY unoriginal. If I were Goldsmith and Joel McNeely, I would've gone over to Marvin and all of the producers/director's house and kicked some major butt. Tim
posted 01-19-2001 09:23 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	TimP's got the idear. Shaun
posted 01-19-2001 09:32 PM PT (US)

Tim_P Oscar® Winner	You're damn right I do, Shaun! (sorry for anyone I've made cry with my profanity in this thread.) Tim
posted 01-19-2001 09:38 PM PT (US)

John Dunham Oscar® Winner	I'm in tears. Oh, and I like U-571 very much. **, definately. NP: Thirteen Days, T. Jones **
posted 01-20-2001 05:50 AM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	I think the score was still enjoyable and very servicable in the movie. It was almost like Goldsmith himself scored it (and re-used the Air Force One theme). P.S. Shaun is a complete hemphead. NP: Broughton's "Silverado"
posted 01-20-2001 10:30 AM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	Doooooooooood, U-571..........boo! Shaun
posted 01-20-2001 11:41 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I enjoyed the movie, but the score was basically a temp-track imitation, perhaps the most egregious I've heard since Stanley Clarke's LITTLE BIG LEAGUE (the movie itself was obviously cut around Danny Elfman's MIDNIGHT RUN cues, and Clarke forced to copy it damn near note for note.) If Marvin has individual talent, I'll be curious to hear it, as I always am.
posted 01-20-2001 05:07 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Oscar® Winner	Gentlemen, in interviews about this score, Richard Marvin made it very clear that he had to stick to the temp track. The temp track sucks but if you don't stick to it, they WILL get a guy who looks just like you to give them the music they want. Don't blame Marvin for this....
posted 01-20-2001 06:38 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	Where can I see this interview? Air Force One is a pretty good score, so I don't see how anything modeled after can be all that bad. Whats up with you guys!
posted 01-20-2001 07:01 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	I didn't mean to suggest I blame Marvin. One interview in which he discusses the temp track can be read in FSM vol. 5, no. 4, pg. 17. "It was heavily, heavily temped," Marvin says therein. Other than lots of AIR FORCE ONE, there were also pieces of MERLIN, THE ABYSS, OUTBREAK and LAST OF THE MOHICANS.
posted 01-20-2001 07:24 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by TimT: Where can I see this interview? Air Force One is a pretty good score, so I don't see how anything modeled after can be all that bad. Whats up with you guys! Tim, there was the FSM interview and also an interview in Soundtrack magazine. The issue number escapes me...
posted 01-20-2001 07:28 PM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	The film wasn't too bad, but the score was distracting. John.
posted 01-20-2001 08:07 PM PT (US)

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