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      How Do You Keep Up? Part Deux: Composers

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    Topic:   How Do You Keep Up? Part Deux: Composers

     Graham Watt
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    As an extension to my previous sad old person's thread, I'd like to know if anyone keeps track of all the upcoming scoring assignments. If you look at Film Score Monthly's list, it appears that there are more people writing scores at the moment than there are composers in the entire history of the Golden and Silver Ages put together! Does anyone really get excited seeing names like Gary Koftinoff or Ed Grenga up for a new film?

    In the good old bad old days (here he goes again) I used to tape all the main titles from films on TV onto cassette, and through constant exposure to the music of a reduced number of composers ended up being able to distinguish the styles of not only the big names but also people like Robert Drasnin, Paul Chihara and Robert Prince. That was part of the fun.

    But today there are so many names! Has anyone managed to get to grips with the styles of the aforementioned Gary Kostinoff and Ed Grenga (or Camara Kambon or Brian Langsbard or Craig Stuart Garfinkle etc etc etc)?

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    posted 01-05-2001 07:46 AM PT (US)     

     Stephen Lister
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    Hi, old fogey! I used to do exactly the same! I had a treasure trove of Gil Melle and Billy Goldenberg and Robert Prince dubs made from TV (remember Prince's GARGOYLES? Loved that end theme). Sadly those tapes have all vanished. I wonder too if the "kids" are doing what we use to do and if they're becoming intimately familiar with the names you mention - but I wouldn't be surprised if they're not, because I think there are WAY more composers working now than when I was snatching their music off the TV (in the 1970s), and to my be-fogeyed ears it doesn't seem like the newer guys have that immediately recognizable and distinctive personality in their scores that, say Goldenberg or Cacavas had.

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    posted 01-05-2001 08:01 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    That's right, Stephen, but I deliberately avoided suggesting that some of the newer composers lack a distinctive voice because I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. Seems logical though that the real young talents will have to really fight to be heard in such a sea of composers.

    I think our tapes must have been nearly identical! I do indeed remember Robert Prince's end titles from Gargoyles (in fact I can hum it now after all those years), plus loads from the others you mentioned (Goldenberg, Cacavas and the wonderful Gil Melle).

    I've gone off topic a bit. Let's get this back on track! (My fault!)

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    posted 01-05-2001 08:41 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    I used to have a lovely boot of Goldenberg's Ransom For A Dead Man (the first episode of COLUMBO), I bought it in 58 Dean St way back in 1981 (yeah, I ain't that young either, but I ain't proping Daisies yet ), I haven't heard of anyone who even knows of this LP's existence let alone got their own copy
    Unfortunately this was among the casualties when my flat was burgled 10 yrs ago.

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    posted 01-05-2001 09:59 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    p.s. If I remember right GARGOYLES featured some of effect's man Stan Winston's earliest efforts.

    TAPING OFF THE T.V.?!...now that does take me back

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    posted 01-05-2001 10:02 AM PT (US)     

     Greg Bryant
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    quote:
    Does anyone really get excited seeing names like Gary Koftinoff or Ed Grenga up for a new film?

    I guess that's why I DON'T pay too much attention to that list anymore. I scan it and see tons of film titles, directors and composers I've never even heard of...and all I can assume is that they are the bargain basement garbage that goes straight to video...which is highly indicative of it's quality...

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    In the good old bad old days (here he goes again) I used to tape all the main titles from films on TV onto cassette

    Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one, I always thought I may have been a little weird, when all my friends were listening to KISS, Eagles, and so on, and I'm running my main title/end title theme compilation tapes. (By the way, you know we probabply wouldn't be able to do this with current films, there are no main title themes anymore, and the end titles are now put together by the music editor, not composed by the composer; or is a bad pop song that's instantly forgotten - can you say Lost in Space?)

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    TAPING OFF THE T.V.?!...now that does take me back

    I used to have a large collection of complete films and TV episodes on cassette tape, which I listened to over and over, and I finally realized, it wasn't the movie i was interested so much as the music and how it was used in the movie. Sadly, those are all gone, now since given way to an extensive VHS/DVD collection - which I don't obviously listen to as much as the cassette tapes.

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    posted 01-05-2001 10:27 AM PT (US)     

     Stephen Lister
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    Timmer, I have the COLUMBO LP. I also have a handy little CDR deck. Would you be interested in a marriage of the two technologies? (One track is kaput, though, from CHANGE OF HABIT, and the overall quality is, well, LP-ish. But if you fancy a nostalgia trip...

    And I wonder what that burglar made of the LP?! Probably he grabbed them expecting lots of pop music. Maybe he listened to it and liked it. Maybe you converted him to film music. Maybe he even reads this board and is going, "Oh my God, that was ME back in my criminal days!"

    Maybe I'm losing my mind...

    NP (in my head): GARGOYLES end theme.

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    posted 01-05-2001 10:50 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Stephen, are you SURE you didn't steal that from Timmer in the first place? Wouldn't it be nice to see it back where it belongs! I imagine a tearful reunion of Timmer and LP in a big TV studio with someone like Cilla Black doing the honours.

    I'VE GONE OFF ON A TANGENT AGAIN! CAN WE PLEASE STICK TO THE POINT?!

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    posted 01-05-2001 12:47 PM PT (US)     

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    I confess - I'm the dreaded scoresnatcher! Everyone who's ever mysteriously lost a soundtrack or had one stolen - that was me! Now you know why my collection is so large!

    Back on topic - more or less - I just discovered I actually have the end theme from Gargoyles on tape. I can probably send this as an MP3 e-mail attachment if anyone is interested. It's just over a minute long.

    Graham, I know when you started this topic you didn't intend it just as a ticket to ride down nostalgia avenue (although that's an inevitable side effect of this particular subject) so I'll attempt to wrestle this back on course: I was watching a HBO movie recently, BUFFALO SOLDIERS, and it made me think that, if I was just an enthusiastic young 'un starting out on this film music lark, this is the kind of score that would have me on my knees in front of the TV with a mike clutched in my trembling paw. Joel McNeely's score is very effective, exciting in places, moving in others. I haven't heard much of his other work so I'm in no position to say whether he has that "individual" voice yet, and one cue did suffer from the curse of temp-track-itus (the climax of OUTBREAK crossed with "Bishop's Countdown" from ALIENS) but on the whole this reminded me of the kind of full-blooded REAL music that got me hooked in the first place.

    And somewhere, probably, there is a youngster (or even oldster) who DID record this music, and is just now starting down the long road we've all travelled so far along. And it's that person who should ideally be joining us here on-thread to tell us about himself and his feelings about this new-found hobby/passion/obsession.

    Where are you, brother? Chime in!

    NP: Gargoyles, Frankenstein The True Story, PROBE, Hawkins On Murder (and other 1970s pleasures).


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    posted 01-05-2001 02:04 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    Stephen 'sob' PLEASE may I 'sob' have my LP back

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    posted 01-06-2001 07:53 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    This may be the death rattle of this thread, but just before it expires I'd like to ask if there ARE any youngsters out there catching new films on cable or whatever and
    going, "Oh, that's unmistakably Reinhold Heil" or something.

    Thanks for those earlier responses, by the way!

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