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Topic:   finally saw The Boys from Brazil

 JJH
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very good film, with an interesting concept, that is within the realm of possibility these days.
apparently, there are 94 Hilters running around.

as we all know, the score is excellent.
Goldsmith's waltz though is overly joyful I think. it's weird to hear it come up as the end titles begin.

I was also very pleased that the Steve Guttenberg was offed.


the larch...

NP -- Return of the Jedi, Johann Wilhemen

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posted 01-04-2001 08:38 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I haven't seen this one since it's first release (WHY don't the cable channels ever show it?)...but JJH...I found that waltz to be terrifyingly rigid.
"Joyful" on the surface, but cold, cold, COLD underneath, especially in view of the rest of the score.


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posted 01-04-2001 09:10 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I agree with Chris on this one.

Goldsmith uses the waltz form to show the strict attention to form over substance that so typified Nazi Germany.

Everything is structurally correct, but bereft of any real meaning or feeling. To me, it screams of the motion without any meaning. It is a perfect use of music to convey a subtext that, while never directly stated in the film, is never far from the mind of the viewer.

A Prussian precision covered by Straussian style. Gives me the creeps just thinking about it!

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posted 01-04-2001 09:30 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I caught this intelligent thriller on Fox Movie Channel today as well. I've seen it quite a few times.

Every time the end credits begin, the waltz sounds absolutely perverse. Strange and brilliant.


NP: Morricone's "Casualties of War"

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posted 01-04-2001 09:39 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Thank you, Mr. Ruger!
You perfectly amplified my feelings about this wonderfully chilling score!

Nominated for an Academy Award the very same year that Williams' SUPERMAN was up for an Oscar.

Georgio Moroder's Midnight Express won.

Oh, the humanity...

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posted 01-04-2001 09:54 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Film music critics often cite Paul Verhoeven for his musical insight, but a film score such as the one wed to BOYS testifies to the unmatched musical comprehension and creativity of Franklin Schaffner among his directoral peers.

As far as I know, he suggested that Goldsmith structure the score around a waltz. It's the type of musical brainstorming and consultive collaboration that is sorely missed in the years since his passing.

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posted 01-05-2001 05:39 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I accidentally posted my response twice. Sorry about that!

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posted 01-05-2001 05:42 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Oh--and one more thing--BOYS deserved that Oscar statue!!!

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posted 01-05-2001 06:05 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Finally, someone else who relishes the on-screen death of "The Gute"!

Some of the most fun I've had with Film is breathlessly anticipating the negative impact of a performance of The Gute. Who can forget his magnetism in the COCOON movies? His studied and effective work in the THREE MEN AND A.... films? Can anyone here truly say that The Gute didn't change their life with his seamless inhabiting of the Sergeant Mahoney character from the POLICE ACADEMY epics? Can they?

Frankly, future re-releases of older films (a la THE EXORCIST) should not be permitted until the wonders of modern Digital technology are used to track in an enhanced Steve Guttenberg Death Scene. I just don't feel that CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND will ever be truly finished until we see that great, burping Mothership land directly on The Gute's head. JAWS? Bruce The Mechanical Shark would be more fearsome - and welcome - if that were Guttenberg spitting up Karo syrup on the deck of The Orca.

Someone start up a petition on this. We as a community simply DEMAND a higher Demise Ratio for this poor man's Doug McClure!


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posted 01-05-2001 08:31 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Steve Guttenberg: Man of Comedy.


And that's all that needs to be said.


NP: Goldsmith's "Malice"

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posted 01-05-2001 09:03 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Stop it, Mark! Stop, I say!!! Steve Guttenberg is nothing short of the Bradford Dillman of our day. Why, I watch ROLLERCOASTER over and over again just to see Steve's gripping entrance as a harried delivery boy. The background he brings to this scene makes the entire movie pale by comparison! His unjustly mocked on-screen death in THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL leaves a pall of desolation that hangs over the movie until its final moments in which it's suggested that there may be another Hitler in the world. I can think of something worse: a world where there's no more Steve Guttenberg! How I miss his presence in movies. VIVA THE GUTE!!!!

np: The Boys From Brazil (very expanded, not quite complete)

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posted 01-05-2001 04:13 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Mark, I am on the floor, laughing helplessly.
How 'bout remaking The Hindenburg, only now it's The Guttenburg, and the dirigible is a balloon of Steve's face. Watch it explode!

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posted 01-05-2001 06:54 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Good one, Chris!

The possibilities are nearly endless. "My God, it's full of Gute".

It needs to be noted that the man has a sense for comedy scripts. Direct your attention to THE BEDROOM WINDOW, in which it is suggested that - get this - a woman wanted to have sex with him! Is that great, or what?

Those kidders. God, I love Film.

Whew.


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posted 01-05-2001 08:52 PM PT (US)    ip  

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in German, the whole language is arranged the Gute:

guten Tag
guten Abend
guten Morgen
Es schmeckt gute!
Gute Scheisse!

Durchfallen ist nicht so GUTE!


(pardon my poor German)


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posted 01-05-2001 10:24 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Gute Morning Vietnam?
Gute Will Hunting?
The Gute, the Bad, and the Ugly?
As Gute As It Gets? (ooh, made myself laugh)

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posted 01-06-2001 06:47 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Now juz a cotton pickin' minute heeah, y'all got somethin' 'gainst CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC too?????

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posted 01-06-2001 07:40 AM PT (US)    ip  

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JJH

Personally, I regard THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL as a watchable but juvenile movie experience. It has dated quite badly since the time of its release, and although the performances remain interesting, the subject of the movie is frankly risible. Despite this, Goldsmith’s score is absolutely superb, and MWRuger perfectly sums up the duality of the waltz-theme. In addition to the Straussian main theme, elements of the score strongly and effectively evoke Herrmann, Wagner and Mahler, but overall the score to THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL is unmistakably vintage Goldsmith.

A truly great score, to a very minor and rather silly movie.

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posted 01-06-2001 11:10 AM PT (US)    ip  

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THE GUTE SON
THE GUTE-BYE GIRL
GUTE-BYE, LOVER
THE LONG KISS GUTE-NIGHT

Nothing wrong with CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC, outside of the script, camerawork, acting and music.

Valerie Perrine, however.......


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posted 01-06-2001 12:39 PM PT (US)    ip  

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But Senator, we're talking the Gute in the lead with Bruce Jenner supporting. GIANTS!

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posted 01-06-2001 01:32 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Here are more of MY favorites:

Looking For Mr. GUTE-Bar
The Long GUTE-Bye
Waiting For GUTE-O
They Shoot GUTES, Don't They?
The Thin Red GUTE
The Thirteenth GUTE

And I especially love those old horror classics:

GUTE-ula
GUTE-enstein
The GUTE Man
The Invisible GUTE
GUTE From The Black Lagoon
GUTE-Zilla
King Kong VS GUTE-Zilla

And my all-time favorite Sci-Fi film:

Forbidden GUTE

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posted 01-06-2001 08:41 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Oh, and who can forget the late, great Walter Matthau in:

Grumpy Old GUTES!



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posted 01-06-2001 08:43 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Anybody remember The Miracle Worker, where Patty Duke played a deaf-gute?

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posted 01-06-2001 08:49 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Don't forget that horror/comedy masterpiece,


"Army of GUTEness."

I still think that, in many ways, Evil Gute 2 is the better flick. Especially when Steve cuts off his hand and says, "Who's laughing now?" I was definitely laughing. He is hilarious.
Oh that Steve Guttenberg: Man Of Comedy.

Grumpy Old Gutes was a fine comedic work, but did anyone catch him in that earlier film "The Bad News Gutes"?

Still, it's hard to believe that the Steve in "Forbidden Gute" is the same one who later took a dramatic turn in the HBO movie biography "GUTE."

NP: Morricone's "Phantom of the Opera"

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posted 01-06-2001 10:05 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Hollow GUTE
Seven GUTEs in Tibet
Moby GUTE
Walking with GUTEs
The GUTE of the Rings (or The Lord of the GUTEs?)
Chicken GUTE
Ninth GUTE
The Wrath of GUTE
The GUTEs from Brazil
Ben GUTE
The Magnificient GUTEs
Jacky GUTE
GUTE Fiction
From Dusk Till GUTE
GUTE by Northwest
GUTE's Way (or Carlito's GUTE?)
Fight GUTE
Jurassic GUTE
The Hunt for Red GUTE
Planet of the GUTEs
The Great GUTE Robbery
Star Wars: A New GUTE
The GUTE Strikes Back
Return of the GUTE
The GUTE Menace
Shadows of the GUTE
Raiders of the Lost GUTE
Indiana Jones and the Temple of GUTE
Conan the GUTE
Cutthroat GUTE

But seriously, while I haven't seen many movies starring Guttenberg, I think I at least remember him being good in Diner.

NP: Boys from Brazil (Jerry GUTEmith)

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posted 01-07-2001 08:37 AM PT (US)    ip  

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lol

I forgot about Steve showing off his talent for starring in epics such as Moby Gute. Did anyone see him in Les Guterables?

It's films like those which let me also proclaim, "Steve Guttenberg: Man of Drama."

NP: Isham's "October Sky"

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posted 01-07-2001 09:25 AM PT (US)    ip  

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it appears the term "GUTE" had taken on the same kind of versatility as that of the great word "SMURF."

some examples:

The Gute and the Smurfness, score by Jerry Goldsmurf

Seven Smurfs in TiGute, score by John Wilsmurf

Batsmurf, score by Danny Guteman

We're Back! A Smurf's Story, score by James Smurfer

Portrait of a Smurf, score by Guteciech Kilsmurf

Mom and Dad Smurf the Smurf, Jerry Goldsmurf


NP -- nothing

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posted 01-07-2001 10:28 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Stop it! Stop it! *gasp*

NP: Moby Dick (Christopher Gordon)

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posted 01-07-2001 01:20 PM PT (US)    ip  

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The Full GUTE
GUTE Trek
What SMURFS Beneath
GUTE Encounters of the SMURF Kind
GUTE Again
Much aGUTE about SMURFs
Citizen GUTE
GUTE Fellas
PolterGUTE
KoyaanisGUTEsi
The GUTE and the SMURF
The GUTE in Winter
The GUTE Who Knew Too Much
Rear GUTE

To be conGUTEd...

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posted 01-07-2001 02:17 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Dr.Gute
From Gute With Love
Gutefinger
Thundergute
You Only Gute Twice
On Her Majesty's Gute Service
Diamonds Are Forgute
Gute And Let Gute
The Gute With The Golden Gun
The Spy Who Loved Gute
Guteraker
For Gute's Eyes Only
Octogutey
A View To A Gute
The Guteing Daylights
A Licence To Gute
Guteneye
Tomorrow Gute Dies
The Gute Is Not Enough

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posted 01-07-2001 05:39 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Dr.Gute
From Russia With Gute
Gutefinger
Thundergute
Gute Only Live Twice
On Her Majesty's Gute Service
Diamonds Are Forguten
Live And Gute Die
The Man With The Guten Gun
The Gute Who Loved Gute
Guteraker
For Your Eyes Gute
Gutenpussy
A View To A Gute
The Living Gutelights
A Licence To Gute
Guteneye
Gute Never Dies
The World Is Not Gute

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posted 01-07-2001 05:40 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Gutenpussy...ROFLMAO!

But why not "On Her Gute's Secret Service"?

NP: Supergute Exguted (John Willigute)

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posted 01-07-2001 06:00 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I'm off to bed - Gute Nacht!

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posted 01-07-2001 07:31 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Schlaf Gut!

(or is that Gute? oh God, now I'm caught in the quagmire)

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posted 01-07-2001 07:51 PM PT (US)    ip  

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PLANET OF THE GUTES!
BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE GUTES!
ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE GUTES!
CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE GUTES!
BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE GUTES!

And now Tim Burton is remaking them all over again!


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posted 01-07-2001 08:47 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I never realized how many of Francis Ford Coppola's movies featured Steve Guttenberg until I read his filmography:

GUTE 13 (1963)
You're A Big GUTE Now (1966)
Finian's GUTE (1968)
The GUTE People (1969)
The GUTEfather (1972)
The GUTEfather Part II (1974)
One From The GUTE (1982)
Rumble GUTE (1983)
The Cotton GUTE (1984)
Peggy Sue Got GUTE (1986)
Gardens Of GUTE (1987)
Tucker: A Man And His GUTE (1988)
The GUTEfather Part III (1990)
GUTEula (1992)

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posted 01-07-2001 09:04 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I can' sit here any longer and read these lists. It's putting a strain on my Guteus Maximus.

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posted 01-08-2001 06:10 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Well, you know what they say--"a Gute in the bush is worth two Gutes in the Gute."

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posted 01-08-2001 08:23 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Rocco, "Schlaf gut" is perfectly right!

Did you notice that Guttenberg is Iiyama in Japanese? (I know that word because the brand name of my monitor is Iiyama).

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posted 01-08-2001 08:46 AM PT (US)    ip  

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THE NAKED GUTE

WAIT UNTIL GUTE

DEBBIE DOES GUTE

SHOWGUTES

SEVEN GUTES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS

HOW GREEN WAS MY GUTE

CASAGUTE

FORREST GUTE (I'm sure that this was already posted.)

SAVING PRIVATE GUTE

SHAKESPEARE IN GUTE....

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posted 01-08-2001 10:13 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Mary Shelley's Gute
Bram Stoker's Gute (yeah, they all had their own Gute)
Spartagute
The Sea Gute
They Smurfed with their Gutes on
The Meaning of Gute
Monty Python's Flying Gute
Six Degrees of Gute
Small Gutes
Gutes II: The New Batch
2001: A Space Gute
Schindler's Gute
Beneath the Twelf Mile Gute
White Witch Gute
Journey to the Center of the Gute
The Elephant Gute
Snow White and the Seven Gutes
Dressed to Gute
Twilight Gute
Basic Gute
A Fish Called Gute (A Gute Called Wanda?)
Fierce Gutes
Far & Gute
Presumed Gute
Gute's Ashes
Rosegute

NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #2 (National Symphony Orchestra of Ireland, Georg Tintner)

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