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    Topic:   The Last Run/Wild Rovers:Opinions?

     OHMSS76
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    I just picked this great disc up over the holidays, and was pleasantly surprised by THE LAST RUN. It is a Goldsmith I was not familiar with, but would highly recommend.
    Kind of like Goldsmith tries his hand at Morricone and Schifrin.
    The cue "Spanish Coast" is gorgeous, no one writes pseudo-Spanish music like Gerrald. Even the song "Yo Te Amo" is fun in a white bread choral Johnny Williams way.

    I've had ROVERS on LP and tape for years...shame that the new CD is missing the cue "Friendly Advice".
    Rented ROVERS last nite, and plan on finally sitting down to watch it tonight.
    I've refrained since I'm sure there is tons of music missing from the short recording...35 mins. plus two songs totalling about 8mins.

    The disc is well worth it though! The sound is fantastic with great stereo seperation, although the notes are a bit lacking...one paragraph on each score and track titles and times buried within the book.
    I just hope there isn't too much missing score from ROVERS...guess I'll find out tonite!

    Best wishes,
    Sean

    [Message edited by OHMSS76 on 01-03-2001]

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    posted 01-03-2001 02:46 PM PT (US)     

     BMikeJ
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    quote:
    Originally posted by OHMSS76:
    I just picked this great disc up over the holidays, and was pleasantly surprised by THE LAST RUN. It is a Goldsmith I was not familiar with, but would highly recommend.
    Kind of like Goldsmith tries his hand at Morricone and Schifrin.
    The cue "Spanish Coast" is gorgeous, no one writes pseudo-Spanish music like Gerrald. Even the song "Yo Te Amo" is fun in a white bread choral Johnny Williams way.

    I've had ROVERS on LP and tape for years...shame that the new CD is missing the cue "Friendly Advice".
    Rented ROVERS last nite, and plan on finally sitting down to watch it tonight.
    I've refrained since I'm sure there is tons of music missing from the short recording...35 mins. plus two songs totalling about 8mins.


    [Message edited by OHMSS76 on 01-03-2001]


    I love both of these scores... Spanish Coast goes on my short list of great Goldsmith cues. Too bad it was only used in the film as a piece of source music. You get to hear less than 20 seconds of it. Last Run is a great disc to drive to... There's also some great percussion in the action writing. One cue has the sound of a hammer striking an anvil!
    And speaking of songs, I just love the two songs from Wild Rovers. What a voice...

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    posted 01-03-2001 06:28 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    WILD ROVERS is probably Goldsmith's most beautiful and accessible Western score. THE LAST RUN is eccentric but tuneful, and the Morricone/Schifrin comparisons above are apt.

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    posted 01-03-2001 07:50 PM PT (US)     

     Stephen Lister
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    Sean, you may not be surprised to learn that I also love these two scores! I've adored LAST RUN since I first started collecting LPs way back when - it was one of my first. I wore it out. Funny thing is, I managed to get my paws on a rare and brilliant-sounding Japanese reissue of the LP just a few weeks before this CD was announced. Wouldn't you just know it?

    WILD ROVERS is gorgeous, and Jerry's daughter belts out those songs really well, particularly the first one - I just love the way the orchestra works itself into a lather towards the end of this - when she sings "Take it easy, boys, take it slow," I always think she's talking to THEM!

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    posted 01-03-2001 08:39 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    When I picked up this disc, I found The Last Run to be much better than I had expected.

    I was very surprised the first time I heard "Yo Te Amo." It doesn't sound much like anything else I've heard Jerry write. The Last Run also has one of my favorite vocal songs written for a movie.

    Wild Rovers has its moments, but in my opinion, isn't one of his greatest western scores.

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    posted 01-03-2001 08:59 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    man, don't you just love Steve Lawrence's singing of the main theme in Last Run?

    does anyone own both the CD & LP versions?
    I would like to know how they compare soundwise. I have my LP to CDR transfer and am very happy with it, but I was so impressed with how Chapter'3 Logan's Run/ Coma disc sounded.

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    posted 01-03-2001 09:53 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    H Rocco, I have to disagree that WILD ROVERS is Goldsmith's most accessible Western score. It definitely has its outstanding and rousing moments, but aside from the main theme and a few quiet parts, most of the score consists of odd dissonant music. (Though it's hard to find a Goldsmith Western without any.)Compared to LAST RUN, I think WILD ROVERS is the more eccentric.

    Still, great stuff though. The disc is moving at times and just plain fun at others. A good buy.


    NP: Morricone's "Vatel"

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    posted 01-03-2001 10:28 PM PT (US)     

     Darth Fart
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    The film 'WILD ROVERS' is a disappointment.
    The screenplay let it down.
    It's beautifully shot and you MUST see it in widescreen/letterbox. TCM screen it sometimes.

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    posted 01-04-2001 07:26 AM PT (US)     

     Stephen Lister
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    JJH - my UK LP of LAST RUN is done to death, so that's no reference point, but my Japanese LP sounds great. However, when I compared the CD directly I realised it had a more detailed and crisper sound than the LP. I think the LP sounds a little warmer, as vinyl tends to do, but that extra detail on the CD is worth having, in my opinion.

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    posted 01-04-2001 07:28 AM PT (US)     

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    Thanks for the replies everyone...I can't believe you like this one Stephen! I actually held out on LAST RUN all these years, hoping it would get a CD release. Great stuff

    I finally watched WILD ROVERS last night and I think that Senor Fart is right.
    Its a good movie, but not a great one.There is seemingly WAY too much silence here.
    Of course the pan and scan of a nightmare VHS I viewed certainly hurt the film, but I don't know of this being on DVD yet.
    The good news, at least for completists, is that the album is much better than what's heard in the film, and expands on many ideas.

    The only cue I missed was a rough brass cue for a shootout which lasts about a minute.
    The two songs, sung by Goldsmith's daughter(is this the one who dated Horner in the 70's?) are not in the film surprisingly enough. "Wild Rovers" is a great song, I agree, but "Texas Rangers" is one I always skip.
    Another gripe about that is the song cuts into the end of "Final Destination" which trails out in silence in the film, holding that last gong stroke.
    The intermission,entre'acte, and playout music are here, sounding like alternate versions of the "Bronco Bustin'" and "Saturday Night".
    The film performance is quite different,sounding like it was performed by a 17 piece orch. of mental patients!
    The main title "Wild Rovers" is faster,and chopped up.
    "Wild Rovers" is heard again when William Holden is catching his horse, as it is on the album, yet again with a poor performance.I don't know if all the copies of this film on video are like this, but this cue, due to the mix, sounded synthesized(!?!?)in the film!
    "Bronco Bustin'" concludes this scene, yet is interupted by what sounds like an alternate "Saturday Night" halfway through, before "Bustin'" starts up again!
    So there ya go...you aren't missing anything gang!

    THE LAST RUN....too bad Spanish Coast is a source cue Great that Goldsmith often expands on his music for album. The song sounds like a typical croony ballad, although I miss when the composer had a part in the film's song.

    Best wishes,
    Sean

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    posted 01-04-2001 10:12 AM PT (US)     

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    OHMSS76

    THE LAST RUN is one of my favourite movies, thanks chiefly to George C Scott, here seen at his taciturn best. The movie is a little cheesily dated in places, such as the drug/sex scenes, but the assuredness of the direction, scripting and performances more than compensates for the movie’s perceived weaknesses. Goldsmith’s score is simply fantastic. An intricate and yet beautifully understated main theme provides the perfect mixture of poignancy, warmth and nostalgia, as well as local colour (we’re in Portugal), as we see Scott working on his automobile. The rest of the score successfully merges this plaintive waltz-like theme with early ‘70s musical sensibilities – Goldsmith’s LAST RUN is a real winner, and I believe it to be one of this composer’s most listenable and enjoyable compositions, partly owing to its contemporary feel.

    The same cannot be said of his work on WILD ROVERS, or at least about how Goldsmith’s score is deployed in the movie itself. Sadly, much of Goldsmith’s delightful work on WILD ROVERS does not appear within the movie – the movie itself is very poor, being fragmented, dull, poorly edited and never convincing. The two songs that appear on the album, for instance, are dropped from the film itself – in fact, very little of Goldsmith’s score remains in the finished product.

    Now, although Goldsmith’s score as it appears on the album contains some lovely stuff, the main thematic material is derived from the popular and well known song ‘Ride Old Paint’ – a song that appears in innumerable other preceding westerns, such as MY DARLING CLEMENTINE (1946). This is not to criticize Goldsmith for using the theme, for he adapts the song beautifully within the score, and there is much colour and detail in the often dissonant remainder of the score. However, the use of this existing material does tend to lessen the importance of Goldsmith’s score to WILD ROVERS as a representation of this composer’s output.

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