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 Camillu
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I saw the film on TV yesterday.
I guess I could say I've been coaxed into getting the score...it sounded great!

The part I liked best was the very long passage of music that plays when everyone is running along the cliff sides in pursuit, and what's her name jumps off.

It's a great, fast-paced piece that at a point lets in a lovely rendition of the main theme to accompany a view of the scenery.

Is this piece found in entirety on either of the score releases??

Thanks, and happy NYE (5 hrs to go!!)

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posted 12-31-2000 10:02 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Camillu,
Last of the Mohicans is one of the most cherished pcs in my collection...the portion of music you're referring to is known as "Promontory" on the CD. It incorporates Jones' primary theme with a fiddle piece known as "The Gael." They work brilliantly together.

The original release has most of the original cue intactt, but goes a little haywire at the point where Uncas is killed and Alice kills hereselff. The knew release by Joel McNeelyy has the piece a little more intact, but I do not like te orchestration as much.


I would absolutely add this to your collection...a must have.

Happy New Year!

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posted 12-31-2000 11:32 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Camillu, I loved that piece too, and I was very disappointed to find it just fades out on the album before the really interesting part ... a major goof by the record producers. Apparently T.Jones is very dissatisfied with the mix on the CD, which also leaves out some great ethnic sounds in the opening sequence; he would love to release the score on a label of his own ... but this dream, like so many, seems to have fizzled - for now.

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posted 12-31-2000 02:10 PM PT (US)    ip  

 DANIEL2
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****WARNING – EXTREME CAUTION ADVISED!****

It is widely reported that Michael ‘Mediocre’ Mann’s piss-pathetic 1992 version of LAST OF THE MOHICANS is due to be screened on British terrestrial television (specifically BBC2) at 2100GMT tonight.

Short of suicide or emigration, take every feasible measure to avoid watching this limp-wristed, lame and tediously contrived bastardization of history – LAST OF THE MOHICANS (1992) outdoes even the Teletubbies for lame-brained and infantile wish-fulfilment.

Apart from being a tame and impotent white-washing and distortion of the time and place masquerading as political-correctness, worse still, LAST OF THE MOHICANS (1992) is an affront to the North American Indian.

Trevor Jones and Randy Edelman's cheesily simplistic score perfectly complements the inspirationally bankrupt nature of the movie as a whole – a movie bereft of wit, meaning or interest. LAST OF THE MOHICANS (1992) is everything a good film should not be – it’s unconvincing, hackneyed, dilapidated, vacuous and fails at every turn to touch the emotions. Watch the vastly superior 1936 Randolph Scott version instead for a much tougher, vigorous and realistic interpretation of history – here the British Army and the British-American colonial militia are portrayed exactly as they really were, mass murderers of Indian men, women and children, violators of Indian culture and territory, seemingly uncomprehending of their genocidal behaviour, and utterly irrepressible.

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posted 01-06-2001 10:00 AM PT (US)    ip  

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While not as harsh on the film as DANIEL2, I too was dissapointed with Last of the Mohicans. Nothing stood out, it seemed like a made for TV production almost, and Daniel Day Lewis has got to be the worst actor on earth. Definately the worst Mann film I've seen. The score is one of the more overrated in cinema IMO, and though it is good, it is nothing special. It's one of the better I've heard from Jones, but Edelman's contribution isn't nearly as good. He's done much better. Anyway my 2 cents.

NP Legend of Bagger Vance (Rachel Portman) ****/*****

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posted 01-06-2001 12:26 PM PT (US)    ip  

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This time I have to agree with DANILE2.

Indeed, Mann's version of LAST OF THE MOHICANS is just painfully ridiculous. The same can be said about the lame cheesy music score.

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posted 01-08-2001 09:22 AM PT (US)    ip  

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While I'm sure I will ge boned, filleted, and sautéed for this statement...I actually enjoy Last of the Mohicans. As pure, fictional (whether historical or not) cinema, Mann's version succeeds on many levels.

Why must a film serve as a historical documentary? Granted if this film were on PBS or BBC and marketed as so, I would expect an unflinching historical narrative. In addition, the movie was based on a book that should be considered anything but historically accurate.

Daniel, I remember your words from the Knighthood thread regarding this film...in its depiction of British soldiers. Your words are completely true, but for some reason you take affront to media intended purely as entertainment. For limp-brained Americans you witness the film and believe in its authenticity...well...there will be no true historical education for them regardless.

Anyway, I enjoyed the movie as historical "fiction" and no more. As far as the music goes...I'll leave that one to personal taste.

Take care all.


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posted 01-08-2001 09:52 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Quill

Yes, you are right. A movie’s historical inaccuracy is no real reason to dismiss it, and indeed, much as BRAVEHEART’s legion of historical inaccuracies was amusing, I still thoroughly enjoyed the movie.

However, I found Mann’s LAST OF THE MOHICANS a dismal movie offering for every reason (apart from the photography), although I readily accept that I am in the minority here, as many people, such as yourself, regard the movie highly.

And you are right again when you say that Cooper’s book was anything but historically authentic. Although I personally don’t take any movie seriously at all, it is just a little sad that many people do seem to watch movies such as BRAVEHEART, LAST OF THE MOHICANS and THE PATRIOT and regard them as authentic representations of history.

I can only hope that such historically distorted movies as THE PATRIOT may at least spur the viewer to investigate the facts.

The thing is though, I beleive a movie can still be enjoyable and reasonably historically accurate.

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posted 01-08-2001 03:57 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I have to agree with D2, Last of the Mohicans is an incredible bore. I love the score though, and I love the re-recording even more.

I find a lot of movies spur my interest in finding out the real history of something.
most notable example came from Stigmata, which gives great significance to the supposed Gospel of Thomas. My girlfriend at the time and myself started doing some web searches and found a wealth of information.
I had never read the text of this thing before, and now it's confirmed, the thing's bogus. if you're at all familiar with the Bible, it's inconsistent in tone and writing style with the rest of the books in the Bible, and specifically the New Testament.
it just sounds uninspired.

but enough of that. this is not a religious board.


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posted 01-08-2001 07:39 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Yeah, JJ, go back to Filmtracks!

Just kidding, Filmtracks,
Shaun

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posted 01-08-2001 08:03 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Daniel,
You are absolutely right...for those ignorant souls who believe regard such films as authentic historical tapestries...we can only weep.

Films such as Braveheart, Rob Roy, The Patriot, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List...etc all suffer from some form of historical inaccuracies but can maintain some semblance of spirit from the true story they are trying to tell.

Unfortunately, for the modern movie-going crowd, true history just is not interesting enough to warrant $9.00. Oh well, we'll always have the wonderful History Channel to turn to. We can start to worry when Hollywood becomes our only source of historical knowledge.

Until then...smile--we've got the best of both worlds!

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posted 01-09-2001 07:52 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Daniel, I did not think much of this film or score either. John.

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posted 01-23-2001 05:16 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I quite disliked LAST OF THE MOHICANS while watching it, up until the ravishing sequence by the waterfall, and I did like the succeeding chase through the mountains. By and large, though, I found the film a mess. Jones' music is incredibly overblown, but I find it does work as an album. Edelman's music was barely there. And while I would have said the use of the song "I Will Follow You" would never work, I found it WAS effective in the movie.

My mother saw the movie after I did, and found her credibility completely scuttled within the end of the main titles: Hawkeye running and jumping through the forest, making INCREDIBLE amounts of noise: "In GRADE school they taught us how quietly Indians moved!" she howled.

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posted 01-23-2001 05:25 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Hi All,

I Havent written on this board in ages and ages put I was compelled to after reading these post about Last of the Mohicans. I'm not sure what historical accuracy has to do with the quality of score. The majority of movies made are not historically accurate and should be considered as "historical fiction" as opposed to anything else. I dont really think James F. Cooper intended Last of the Mohicans to be historically accurate when he wrote the novel anyhow so I dont think you can fault the movie for not being as such. Some posted that they considered the score to be "cheesy" I'm just curious as to why? I personally thought it was a beautiful score and a good (albeit not great) movie. But then again I also liked the scores to Braveheart, The Patriot, Elizabeth,Rob Roy and Gladiator which are all not entirely historically accurate but who cares as long as the music is well composed?

Steph

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posted 01-23-2001 06:16 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Man I was surprised at the responses you guys gave. I thought that this movie was one of the best I have ever seen. I am not much of a history buff, but I thought it did a pretty good job of showing the brutality of war on both sides. I loved the score as well. The cinematography was incredible. I like when movies are accurately portrayed, but most of the time real life is pretty boring. These movies are about entertainment, creating situations that people do not and probably will not ever find themselves in. These movies are not documentaries. For instance, after seeing the movie originally, I became very interested in the time period and circumstances surrounding the war. Maybe it wasn't accurate, but I bet that there are many people who saw the movie and because of it, became interested in a time in history that they may have never even given a moment's thought to before. Maybe they went out and borrowed a book about it from the library, something that seems to be a rarity these days. Then they could find out the real story. Movies, by their nature, can not be authorities on subjects. They would be waaaaaaaaay too long. (Although $8 for a 14 hour movie would be a better deal). Movies can only spark the interest of people about subjects.
I will concede, however, that it is becoming more and more common for people to believe movies as accurate when they are not. People should not expect movies to be accurate. That is what documentaries and nonfiction are for. And sometimes even books get things wrong. People should expect movies to be entertaining, and in my opinion, LOTM was just that. If you don't think so, that's cool. To each his own.

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posted 01-23-2001 09:30 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Otten...excellent post. I cannot recall a film for modern cinema (whatever that migh be!) that was historically accurate in all respects.

What a movie like Last of the Mohicans provides, is an entertaining adventure set amid historical context, that can be compelling to watch but also stimulate you to learn more about the period presented. In that sense the movie succeeds on mutiple levels.

But it you thought it sucked or was boring...that's a different story, and a point that is not really open to debate.

Finally, for a tragic love story set against the backdrop of war, how can we see the music is overblown...the score remains near the top of my list. Again just an opinion...

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posted 01-25-2001 10:57 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I have been thinking about getting this score for a while now. I realise there are two CDs. The question is, which one is the better one to have?

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posted 05-12-2008 05:46 PM PT (US)    ip  

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McNeely's is better unless you like some souped up synth work that is the original disc.

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posted 05-12-2008 09:11 PM PT (US)    ip  

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McNeely, McNeely, McNeely . . . unless you can find the Jones/Edelman CD for cheap used. Then buy them both and decide which one you like more.

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posted 05-12-2008 10:14 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I've had the original score for yonks now. Whats the advantage of the McNeely one?

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posted 05-13-2008 04:56 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Honestly, I don't quite get the previous quote regarding orchestrations (perhaps it was in regards to the Edelmen portions...oh well. The only advantage for me is the proper track order, consistency (maybe that's it) in the orchestrations between Jones' and Edelman's work, and the proper flow for hte Promentory track. Worth owning.

And wow...resurrection of this thread! How I miss Andre Lux and Daniel2...those were truly some cantankerous and lively discussions back in the day!! I feel old now.......

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posted 05-13-2008 04:16 PM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by Quill:
[B]Honestly, I don't quite get the previous quote regarding orchestrations (perhaps it was in regards to the Edelmen portions...oh well.

Me? Yes, Edelman. His scores would be so much better if he used a real orchestra.


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posted 05-13-2008 04:23 PM PT (US)    ip  

 
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