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Topic: Ok, I am convinced...Howard Shore it is

Scott

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I wasn't quite sure if Howard Shore would be able to write the type of score needed for The Lord of the Rings Triology, but due to the input of so many on this board I got Dogma today.I must say, I am impressed. Track 4 even convinced me that he could very well write the songs contained in the story.
Again I am indebted to this great community. You guys and gals have taught me so much and here I have another great score and feel much better about the coming score for this epic movie series.
Thanks again.
ScottNP: Dogma
[Message edited by Scott on 12-30-2000]
posted 12-30-2000 01:31 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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you should never have doubted the ability of Howard Shore!
posted 12-30-2000 10:11 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Yeah!, Tell him again JJ!!
posted 12-30-2000 11:45 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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"you tell 'im, Steve-Dave!"Wait till ya hear THE CELL, it's only the best score of 2000, as I keep saying and keep saying and keep saying ...
posted 12-30-2000 11:49 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Your H', The Cell is f***ing astounding!, probably not to everyone's taste though.NP : nothing
posted 12-30-2000 11:56 AM PT (US) 
wistiti

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Scott may be convinced but I'm not. Shore is certainly a great composer, but I'm still no quite conviced that he's the right composer for LOTR.
posted 12-30-2000 01:30 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I was surprised that Shore got picked, but he's way more suited than James Horner, who was the studio's choice. (Most of Horner's best scores have been for epic fantasies, but I fear he's long since said everything he's going to on the subject.) Shore has amply proven he can write a melody when he needs to (check out BIG), and is amply suited to the darker material as well. He was an unexpected but inspired choice. I have nothing but great expectations for this upcoming trilogy of films (directed by Peter Jackson!) and scores.
posted 12-30-2000 02:29 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I still have to hear Dogma and The Cell, but I'm very tempted to buy them.I've never heard anything by Horner that's even a bit appropriate for LOTR. Willow (except for the extremely annoying Schumann parts) is wonderful, and might very well be in the style he'd have used for LOTR, but it would be totally wrong for the trilogy.
Even though I'm still not convinced about Shore myself (I know too little of his work), choosing him at the very least shows that Jackson - or whoever approached Shore - actually cares for the score.
NP: Sphere (Elliot Goldenthal)
NE: Milk chocolateposted 12-30-2000 03:54 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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this may sound stupid, but after reading one or two of his interviews, and recently on the Se7en DVD commentary, I am thoroughly convinced that this guy is a true musician, and cares for his compositions, and takes pride in them.I look forward to his score for LoTR with much enthusiasm.
NP -- Muzyka Filmowa 2, Kilar compilationposted 12-30-2000 05:27 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Have you ever heard a Howard Shore score that didn't perfectly fit the picture it was composed for?I didn't think so.
I had the chance to meet Mr. Shore (who is, by the way, as personable and articulate as he is talented) and the description of the composing process he outlined was very interesting... it's all film-specific; he comes up with some thematic or textural material first, something that sums up the film and builds the score around it.
If you have doubts about Mr. Shore's versatility, may I remind everybody that he was the musical director for Saturday Night Live for it's initial seasons? He had to go in all sorts of directions for that.
Marian, Dogma is pretty damn good, but The Cell is pure genius. Check out the interview with him in the month before last's Film Score Monthly in which he describes how the score got to sound that way.
Also, I highly recommend Looking for Richard, a brilliant score for Al Pacino's excellent film.
posted 12-30-2000 10:41 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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We also have an interview with Howard Shore about his work on THE CELL at: http://www.soundtrack.net/features/article/?id=58I think you'll find it enlightening, to say the least!
Dan
posted 12-31-2000 12:29 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Swash, I do have Looking for Richard (because of your recommendation), but I'm afraid I haven't got "into it" yet. I have to say that I didn't listen to it often enough, though, I'll try to catch up on that soon.Didn't even notice the interview in FSM, everytime one of the latest issues arrived, I had too much to do to read them properly. I'll dig it up.

Oh, and I've put Dogma and Cell on my birthday wish list (along with a couple of other CDs, though, sort of a pool from which people may choose my presents, so it's not sure that I will really get them).
NP: Sphere (Elliot Goldenthal)
posted 12-31-2000 11:20 AM PT (US) 
ManOfSorrows

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I just bought "Videodrome" by Mr. Shore the other day...and it was...i don't really know what it was...heheIt was the strangest sounding thing I've ever heard...sounded like he was playing on a synth with his feets while asleep or something

posted 12-31-2000 03:52 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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He's going to be brilliant. I enjoy a lot of his work, with Looking for Richard being probably my fave from him.Dan (UK)
posted 01-02-2001 01:25 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Thanks for the link, dgoldwas!Yeah, VideoDrome is a strange one, in which Shore took the acoustic elements and the electronics and blended them in such a way as so that you can't tell where one begins and the other ends. It is definitely one of his most important scores, one that perfectly fits "the new flesh."
posted 01-02-2001 10:07 PM PT (US) 
mlw
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Love Naked Lunch, Seven, ed Wood, Dead Ringers, Crash. Like The Fly, Videodrome, existenz, Silence of the Lambs, Looking for Richard. No question I look forward to Shore soundtracks. The Cell as a score is intelligently assembled though it flails out from a picture without a specific center. The fact that it continues the current filmusic equation of mid-eastern religious sounds with Western based degradation takes it a notch down to the feeling we've heard this before (8mm).[Message edited by mlw on 01-03-2001]
posted 01-03-2001 12:12 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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In a way, oyabun; but Shore's approach to THE CELL makes inherent sense (as much as anything at all in that picture made sense), whereas everything I've heard from Mychael Danna seems witlessly arbitrary. Not poorly composed, exactly, but you wonder if he's even scoring the same movie you're watching. I had this feeling during 8MM and got it even more strongly after catching up to THE SWEET HEREAFTER a couple nights back.
posted 01-03-2001 01:25 PM PT (US) 
wistiti

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quote:
Originally posted by wistiti:
Scott may be convinced but I'm not. Shore is certainly a great composer, but I'm still no quite conviced that he's the right composer for LOTR.Just reread some excerpts of the book. I'm also convinced. Shore it is.
posted 01-07-2001 05:09 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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quote:
The fact that it continues the current filmusic equation of mid-eastern religious sounds with Western based degradation takes it a notch down to the feeling we've heard this before.
When you say "Western based degradation," are you refering to the addition of a Western musical palette to the mid-east material, or are you referring to the content of the film itself?If you are referring to the former, I like how Shore mixes his idioms (as he did with free-form jazz in Naked Lunch); I think that the conceptual design of the music in The Cell makes a particularly innovative listen given the fact that the orchestra is doing almost the exact opposite of what it was designed to do.
If you are referring to the content of the film, I don't think that Shore's use of this style was inspired by the degradation of women within the film, but by the multiple layers of reality depicted (granted, the film didn't do much but show fascinating images with its concepts, but the concepts seem to be what Shore latched on to when composing the score). Therefore, I don't think that the music is politically slanted, quite the opposite.
posted 01-07-2001 11:06 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Mlw?
posted 01-14-2001 09:44 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Perhaps he'll respond better to use of his title.Oyabun: Ganbatte!

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