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Topic: Fielding's DEMON SEED

OHMSS76

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I posted this to Filmus awhile ago, but the blokes there just didn't care! So I bring this discussion to you fine people....
I am not that familiar with Fielding's work, and rented this film over the weekend.With the release of Donald Cammell's lost short "The Argument", I decided to rent this one out of curiousity.What a score! The movie is beyond bizarre if you haven't seen it, but there are many moments of modernism/avant-garde/electronic(by Ian Underwood and Lee Ritenour)writing.
Some of the electronic cues remind me of the early analog cues for Goldsmith's LOGANS RUN.
What are the chances of a CD for this, since it's another poorly recorded score on the film, and a CD issue would be the best way to hear it.The score for the "birth" sequences are great, rivalling or comparitive to late Romantic/modernist writing by Barber,Hanson,Carter or David Diamond.
The music for these scenes is so powerful it had me pulling out all my "classical" American music! There seems to have been some controversy that Fielding stole the final chords of Lutoslawski's Concerto for Orch....can anyone elaborate on this?
It's a shame that Fielding didn't work in the concert realm AFAIK, since some of this score would work great in that form.All the best and I promise this is the last topic from me for a bit!
Seanposted 12-27-2000 12:35 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Amen! Demon Seed, one heck of an awe-inspiring score! And an underrated film too, I believe.
posted 12-27-2000 01:22 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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Egads! Thanks Graham, I thought I was the only person who knew of this one!! Maybe I should investigate Fielding's work, since I ::deep sigh:: don't own a single score of his.
I love the FILM of The Wild Bunch, but the score doesn't sound like it would appeal on CD for some strange reason.
I did like the film also,DS that is....I'm a sucker for Julie Christie
Sean
posted 12-27-2000 01:27 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Good movie. Most of Jerry Fielding's scores aren't very listener-friendly, almost all of them very dark and intense, but that can be part of their charm.Fielding also did a witty adaptation of Bizet's "Carmen" as the main theme of THE BAD NEWS BEARS (no album, I believe).
Scottish-born director Donald Cammell commmitted suicide in 1996, after completing WILD SIDE, a bizarre, hilarious little thriller with Christopher Walken and Anne Heche. According to the IMDb, "The Argument" would be a posthumous release, as they've dated it 1999. I've wondered if Cammell was partly despondent over having the editing of WILD SIDE taken away from him -- ironically, his own version has since been released to video as well. Have no idea what that one's like; the original seemed good enough to me.
posted 12-27-2000 03:04 PM PT (US) 
Stephen Lister

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I have every Fielding CD I've been able to lay my paws on. Yes, he can be a tough listen, but there are rewards.Sean, THE WILD BUNCH is actually one of his most accessible scores, so if you're thinking of starting a Fielding shelf in your collection, this would be a good one to kick off with.
Personally I wish there was more of his jazzy stuff available to balance out the 'harder' scores ... SUPERCOPS and THE OUTFIT are a lot of fun. The miserly snatches of his score from THE ENFORCER on the Sudden Impact LP are great too. There seemed to be something of a Fielding "rescue" attempt by Bay Cities a while back, but with their demise we've had nothing more. Damn shame.
posted 12-27-2000 03:14 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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Rocco,The Argument was just released, albeit via mail order only, and it sounds like it might be a bit of a collectible.
It sound like it features some avant garde early(?) camera work from Vilmos Zsigmond.
This was featured in a recent Video Watchdog(I can't recall which number, Ill post that tomorrow.)Two of the writers for that excellent mag, Rebecca and Sam Umland have actually written a book on Cammell's life, which has sadly yet to be publshed.
IIRC, they hint that the editing of Wild Side may have had something to do with his death.Stephen,
Since we seem to have similar likes in music
I shall take your word for it!
Bay Cities did three limited edition sets in 1992 on Fielding..the first is a 2 disc set which is impossible to get now. The other two are a bit more available.
Sounds like it's time to rent THE MECHANIC!Best wishes,
Seanposted 12-27-2000 03:20 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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A guilty pleasure. On one hand, it's so wrong. I did feel, machine or not, this is really a film about the audience vicariously kidnapping and raping Julie Christie. On the other hand...well, better not go there. And still the film has such a sweet, if implausible, ending that it almost makes what comes before OK (did a guy write this or what?).Rocco is right about Fielding's dark side and this score, half electronics, half tense orchestra, is a perfect example. I have an OK sounding boot of this if anyone wants a copy.
posted 12-27-2000 10:25 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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Lou!!! No way!!!
I didn't know there was a boot for this one....Ill be writing soon, I REALLY hope we can work something out

I'd love to hear this apart from the film, even if it only sounds ok.And it is too funny you mention the ending.
I fell asleep in the middle part the first time I watched this. I woke up during the last five mins. and thought "What the hell is going on here!!".
The scoring for that scene, and the acting lead me to believe that the finale was a triumph of some sort....but I thought this was a film about a woman being violated?So I went back and reviewed the whole thing, and the ending still is at odds with the film, but it made more sense.
So who is the winner here? Did Proteus succeed in creating something that would better mankind and replace computers, or was it poised to take over the world?Very interesting thought provoking film.
This is the sort of deeply constructed story you won't find in film anymore. Sad,sad...Anyway, the Video Watchdog with the Cammell article on The Argument has the Creature from the Black Lagoon on the cover and was from two months ago. Great mag, check it out.
Best wishes,
Seanposted 12-28-2000 09:48 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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.....and since I just got the 2cd Bay Cities Fielding set over the last week, and since I know the eyes of MGM (Hello Chris Neel! How are ya!) are upon us, thought this topic could come back up for air. Still feel the same as above about it, would just be "all KINDS of happy" to get this. Sounds like a prime target for the FSM boys,eh? Whadda ya say gang!Ciao,
Seanposted 09-23-2002 09:29 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
