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Jeron Oscar® Winner	Ok, I feel like many of my threads as of late have been basically "doesn't this and this sound alike?" - and yeah, this is yet another one. Forgive me, but I must know these things! I was listening to "Spies Like Us" by Elmer, and noticed a very similar motive as used by Horner in "Sneakers." This struck me quite funny (as they usually do), as most recently it's been Mr. Horner whom I have recognized this with. Duh. Not a revelation - but just a statement. We all Horner likes to lift here and there... here's just another example. I figured I would consult y'all and see if anyone concurred with my c-c-c-conclusion. If you need to listen to these and determine the likeness, check out the following clips: Spies Like Us (1985) Sneakers (1992) While these tracks (in and of themeselves) are very different, they use similar motives - and I'll bet you a buck or two Sneaker's used this in it's temp. Horner thankfully took what Elmer wrote (a short melody) and furthered it to the point of unrecognizability (created an entire cue out of the dang thing), but still. It's there. Oh... and don't bother calling me a genius! I already know! hehe Laterz, Jeron PS - Merry Christmas! PSS - For those of you who don't know what a motive (or motif) is, it's a few notes that are part of a whole (that whole being a melody). NP - Spies Like Us (Elmer Bernstein) [Message edited by Jeron on 12-24-2000]
posted 12-24-2000 05:00 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Eh, ya know what? I take all that back... cause that motive tracks all the way back to "Star Trek II," which of course is used in everything under the sun, from the previously stated "Star Trek II," to the more recent "The Mask of Zorro" and "The Perfect Storm." Click below for that evidence: Star Trek II (1982) Willow (1988) The Land Before Time (1988) The Mask of Zorro (1998) The Perfect Storm (2000) So, after all that, I guess this thread is completely pointless. What I found in "Spies Like Us" might actually be from a Horner score temp, rather than vice-versa with "Sneakers." Duh (once again). This is just the same 'ol thing Horner always uses. I actually think it's quite entertaining, as I always look forward to seeing how he's gonna incorporate it next time. As for anyone who are hearing these "similarities" for the first time, now you know Horner's secret! Actually, this should be quite a fun education tool for all the young Horner junkies... like Mr. Hasta! Happy listening. Merry Christmas, Jeron PS - Don't hesitate to download the mp3z! They are VERY short and VERY small, ranging from anywhere between 15-40 seconds long (each). Please listen and be enlightened (if you're not already)! [Message edited by Jeron on 12-25-2000]
posted 12-25-2000 01:10 AM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	I think that Sneakers and I Love Trouble are very similar. Best, JW.
posted 12-25-2000 10:43 AM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Bernstein's TROUBLE, or David Newman's? (I haven't heard either one.)
posted 12-25-2000 11:05 AM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	lol Yes, these are funny. Thanks for putting sound clips of all of these together. For my own amusement, I've been wanting to put together a CD of Horner clips where he completely rips from himself. Maybe this is a good start.
posted 12-25-2000 12:04 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Absolutely no offense meant Al, but any given Horner CD from the past ten years or more is ALREADY like that!
posted 12-25-2000 12:09 PM PT (US)

Jack Oscar® Winner	I think it goes back even further to BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS and KRULL. Just my opinion.
posted 12-25-2000 01:54 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Some parts of Krull and Trek: Khan are nearly identical. So far, I didn't spot the motif Jeron "showed" us in Krull, though. NP: Krull (James James Horner Horner)
posted 12-25-2000 05:16 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Marian, while "Star Trek II" and "Krull" are similar, their similarities are shared in ways other than the motif I pointed out. I don't remember stating that "Krull" contained that Hornerism,... I think that was Jack (in his post above)! "Battle Beyond the Stars," "Star Trek II," and "Krull" are all reminiscent of each other, though not in the melody I've submitted as evidence here (with the mp3 files). Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 12-25-2000]
posted 12-25-2000 05:50 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Jeron, I may take the time tomorrow to create some mp3's from Krull and Khan. It's not as extreme as in the examples you gave us, but there ARE melodically identical parts. NP: Schlafes Bruder (Hubert von Goisern) - Austrian film score
posted 12-25-2000 06:22 PM PT (US)

Al Oscar® Winner	Yep, Rocco. I do know that much, but it's still funny hearing these nearly identical pieces back to back.
posted 12-25-2000 07:20 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Marian - Don't get me wrong, there are VERY similar melodies between Khan and Krull... just not the specific melody I pointed out w/ those mp3z. One reason I love Krull so much is that is seems like a fantasy-like extension of Khan, a score I adore (hey, that rhymes!). Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 12-26-2000]
posted 12-26-2000 09:22 AM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Oscar® Winner	HR-David Newman's version. Very similar in many ways. John.
posted 12-26-2000 04:11 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: *Marian - Don't get me wrong, there are VERY similar melodies between Khan* and Krull... just not the specific melody I pointed out w/ those mp3z.** That's true. NP: Masada (Jerry Goldsmith)
posted 12-28-2000 08:55 AM PT (US)

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