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    Topic:   David Shire's The Conversation

     Swashbuckler
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    Paramount has just released The Conversation on DVD with a fresh new picture transfer and two commentary tracks (one by Francis Ford Coppola, the other by Walter Murch), a documentary and a brand-new 5.1 sound mix, supervised by Walter Murch himself.

    This disc fired up my interest in David Shire's piano score, a great jazzy effort that perfectly encapsulates the ambiguity and intimacy of the film itself.

    Coppola describes on his commentary track that he hired his then brother-in-law David Shire, who was eager to show off his orchestrational abilities only to find that Coppola wanted something really really small. It didn't matter much, though, as Shire's score turned out to be perfectly suited to the film.

    Murch, in his commentary track, mentions that working with Shire was fantastic because much of the score was written and performed by Shire before the film was shooting, and they could play the music to the actors on the set and they could cut the film to it, all the while having Shire on hand to alter or tighten up a cue. Apparently Murch enjoyed working with Shire so much that on his first directing job he hired him.

    Well, The Conversation is great, not only as an examination of privacy, but also its Antonionian riff on the subject of narrative. Hackman's performance is stunning, and Shire's score is wonderful.

    On the main menu of the DVD, his main theme plays in stereo by itself. When I heard this I was excited to see if more of the score had been presented in the menu boards. It was, however, not to be. The score exists only in context of the film. However, it is a film and score worth returning to many times over.

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    posted 12-23-2000 01:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Cor, I haven't seen this movie in ages, but I just remember it being superb and quite disturbing at the time. I'd rate it as a landmark movie of the 70's in the same league as "All the President's men" or Coppola's other masterpieces "The Godfather Trilogy". Didn't the movie win an Oscar for its "sound-editing"? Hackman, as usual, is great, so watchable. I prefer him back in the 70's when he always played his parts with a raw realism alla Popeye Doyle in
    "The French Connection"..another classic. One question...Is "Enemy of the State" anything to do with "The Conversation"? Was it seen as an unofficial sequel to it or did it pay homage to it formally, as there seems to be a few similarities there in the theme of surveillance...also, both star Hackman. Just curious thats all! Gae NP Hook

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    posted 12-23-2000 05:03 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Very interesting ... thanks for the info.
    THE CONVERSATION belongs to one of many movies Shire did in the seventies that he refers to as "brain surgery scores" -- pictures that required very little music, and had to be precisely spotted. Hence when he got to cut loose on something like THE HINDENBURG or THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1-2-3, he REALLY cut loose!
    Not to mention the sensational job he did for Walter Murch's only feature film credit as director, and probably Shire's most inspired and thrilling work for movies, RETURN TO OZ (1985).
    Shire is badly undervalued and underused. Critics in the 1970s considered him one of the up-and-coming heirs apparent to the thrones of the greats like Rozsa and Herrmann. I don't know what really happened to him -- he hasn't stopped composing, but nor is he getting assignments of the caliber he deserves. (Not that he's suffering financially, I'd imagine: he owns a piece of the still-bestselling soundtrack to SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER. Another movie for which he was required to write almost nothing! GIVE THIS MAN A CANVAS, SOMEBODY!!!!)

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    posted 12-23-2000 06:05 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Hackman, as usual, is great, so watchable. I prefer him back in the 70's when he always played his parts with a raw realism alla Popeye Doyle in "The French Connection"..another classic.

    Check out his performance in The French Connection II, particularly the scene in which he has to detox!
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    One question...Is "Enemy of the State" anything to do with "The Conversation"? Was it seen as an unofficial sequel to it or did it pay homage to it formally, as there seems to be a few similarities there in the theme of surveillance...also, both star Hackman.

    Technically, Enemy of the State has nothing to do with The Conversation (and they are of different genres; Enemy is a chase thriller while Conversation is a character study/mystery), but the presence of Hackman in Enemy is no doubt meant to evoke memories of Harry Caul. A photo showing Hackman's character as a younger man used in Enemy of the State was one of Hackman in The Conversation.

    One of the most interesting aspects of The Conversation I've always found was that Hackman manages to portray Harry Caul with all of his ambiguities and contradictions to such a tee. When watching The Conversation you are not watching Gene Hackman, you are watching Harry Caul.

    Shire's score often tells us what is going on with Harry without hitting us over the head with it. Harry is an intensely private man, but his life is empty. Shire's meandering piano often attaches itself inseparably to him.

    For a perfect example, watch the end of the film when Harry is in the hotel room that he knows a horrible murder has occured in, but he can find no evidence of this. As he searches, the film is unscored. It isn't until he pauses with no idea what to try next that the music begins, allowing us to understand that the freneticism of his initial search is over and that he is now going to review the situation.

    I also love the way the film ends, with Harry playing his saxophone and Shire's unrelated theme playing over the end credits, mingling, mixing, separating...

    A truly brilliant film that brought out some of the best of the involved collaborators (I don't think I've ever seen a more naturalistic performance from Teri Garr than the one she gives in this film, and Harrison Ford is outright chilling).

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    posted 12-24-2000 10:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, I just picked up this DVD Saturday to add to my collection, and watched Sunday. It's agreat film with an excellent score by Shire. I haven't had a chance to listen to the commentary track, but I know in the two Shire "best of" albums I have, it mentions that Coppola wanted to keep the music down to a simple bit of piano and that Shire played all of it himself (that is, except for the source music). I would love to see this show up as a promo CD or something sometime. As for AFM, if it's just a solo piano played by the composer, it should be easy to approach Mr. Shire about a release possibly. If you'd like to hear at least the main theme, the promo put out by Film Score Monthly and the Bay Cities releases should have the theme on there. I believe the FSM one is actually a re-recording.

    Cheers.

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    posted 12-25-2000 10:19 AM PT (US)     
     

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