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    Topic:   If John Williams died

     John Zimmer
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    Who would you chose to do the next Star wars if John Williams died. I vote Jerry goldsmith, James Newton Howard, of David Arnold.
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    posted 12-23-2000 11:30 AM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    Um.... I'd try it for a 1$.

    Why not uh......JOHN SCOTT? I also have confidence in Robert Folk.

    [Message edited by TimT on 12-23-2000]

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    posted 12-23-2000 11:43 AM PT (US)     

     skiletic
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    Jerry would never do it nor would he be asked to.

    Hands down Joel McNeely. How quickly you forget his work for Shadows of the Empire.

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    posted 12-23-2000 12:05 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    uh....Id still go with Scott and Folk.

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    posted 12-23-2000 12:13 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Dare I say it, WHO CARES! Ahahahah. I consider Williams to be past his prime, really. The last score of his I truly praised was Schindler's List... Private Ryan was good, as was Patriot, nothing incredible though. As far as the next Star Wars films, I don't give a rats ass. Phantom Menace (the film) was SO incredibly bad, I have given up on the whole trilogy all together. And, given Phantom Menace (the score) didn't even come close to the first 3, I don't think it'd be that big a deal if they switched composers, given they keep the main theme (which I'm sure they would). Who would I like to see score it? Probably Arnold...

    [Message edited by Hasta on 12-23-2000]

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    posted 12-23-2000 12:41 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    The job would almost certainly go to Joel McNeely. Besides SHADOW OF THE EMPIRE, George Lucas also hired McNeely to score THE RADIOLAND MURDERS in 1994, not to mention McNeely's work on Lucas' previous YOUNG INDIANA JONES TV series.

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    posted 12-23-2000 03:19 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    What about Bruce Broughton!

    NP: The Shadow (Jerry Goldsmith)

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    posted 12-23-2000 05:30 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron R. Brown
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    Don Davis

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    posted 12-23-2000 05:51 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Bruce Broughton and John Scott are certainly the best choices of the abovementioned ... but that doesn't mean it still wouldn't go to McNeely.

    NP: TWILIGHT ZONE THE MOVIE (by the Disciple of the Sacred Order of the Ponytail)

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    posted 12-23-2000 05:56 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    I don't even think about things like that. Hopefully Williams will make it til the rapture and hopefully he'll be with us.


    Scott

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    posted 12-23-2000 06:46 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Hasta:
    Dare I say it, WHO CARES! Ahahahah. I consider Williams to be past his prime, really...Patriot, nothing incredible though...[Message edited by Hasta on 12-23-2000]

    Hasta, buddy,

    how can you say Williams is past his prime if you thought his last score to be good? The statement alone is rather presumptious, don't you think.

    Besides, even if Williams were to turn out the worst scores of his carrer from this point on, they still would be artistically and emotionally vastly superior than what Zimmer will ever will be able to even imagine together with his music commitee.


    NP: 13 days


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    posted 12-23-2000 06:50 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    *SARCASM ALERT* James Horner *SARCASM ALERT*


    (Please Johnny, don't die!)

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    posted 12-23-2000 08:09 PM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Scott, that actually makes me quite mad. In my opinion Williams, hasn't composed a more emotional score in the 90's that matches Zimmer's Thin Red Line (except Schindlers List, of course). Private Ryan was a decent effort, but if you even tell me that was a better score than TRL technically, you are biased... SPR was nothing but a rehash of his previous efforts, pretty half-assed in my opinion. Hymm to the Fallen was incredible, I agree, but still is no match for Zimmer's "Journey to the Line"... My 2 cents.

    [Message edited by Hasta on 12-23-2000]

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    posted 12-23-2000 09:04 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    Jesus Christ!!! John scared the hell outta me when I saw this thread. All I saw were the words Williams and Died. Phew....thought something bad had happened.


    I would vote for Broughton and then McNeely.

    Zimmer could only wish he could compose something equal to Williams. Williams on a bad day, and there aren't many, is better than most on their good days. And that is my opinion just as you are entitled to your opinion.

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    posted 12-23-2000 09:59 PM PT (US)     

     meegle
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    McNeely!!!!!!


    duh!


    MAYBE.....MAYBE....Giachinno.

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    posted 12-23-2000 10:20 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I see no reason to EXPECT Williams won't finish the series ... he's some years younger than both Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein, and all of em are still chuggin' right along!

    If he HAD to be replaced, though ... what about Basil Poledouris?

    NP: QB VII (Jerry somebody)

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    posted 12-23-2000 10:20 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Seriously, how many threads have we seen this year that are exactly like this? I'm reading some of the same responses!

    Who cares, indeed.

    Shaun

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    posted 12-23-2000 10:32 PM PT (US)     

     John Zimmer
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    Acctuly the best thing is for Johnny not to die.

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    posted 12-24-2000 06:46 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Hasta:
    Private Ryan was a decent effort, but if you even tell me that was a better score than TRL technically, you are biased... SPR was nothing but a rehash of his previous efforts, pretty half-assed in my opinion. Hymm to the Fallen was incredible, I agree, but still is no match for Zimmer's "Journey to the Line"... My 2 cents.[Message edited by Hasta on 12-23-2000]

    Yes, Private Ryan was technically much better than Line, call me bias. While Line was very good,(and I am listening to Journey to the Line as we speak) the score however, was a repeat of every melody it created. What I mean it was composed more in the style of "Bolero", except that it never allows the orchestra to increase in orchestrations and volumne. This has to do of course with the movie itself. Bottom line, while Williams uses a more modernistic, un-melodic style (although there are lots of melodies if one only listens), which changes and evolves as the story unfolds and packs a more understated emotion, Zimmer seems to have come up with a score line and simply repeates it over and over in the different cues. He creates a little melody, or musical phrase in one cue, and repeats it for the whole track duratioun. Then he creates another one for the other part and repeats that one over and over. All this for a score he had over a year to compose? While Williams had...what...two months if even that? And Williams' is a rehash?

    Now after having listened to Journey to the Line again...I am perplexed how you can state that it is more emotional than Hymn to the Fallen which brought tears to my eayes even before I saw the movie? Journey to the Line is an example what I am trying to say. Zimmer comes up with a motive and simply repeats it with most of the same orchestration.


    My...ehm....what...5 cents?


    Scott


    NP: Thin Red Line (it is a good score though)


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    posted 12-24-2000 12:27 PM PT (US)     

     Richard
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    I am not really a fan of Williams.

    I am however, a fan of Zimmer. Musical complexeites asided, I personally find Zimmer's music more enjoyable to listen to, most of the time anyway.

    IMHO, "Journey to the Line" was much more powerful than "Hymn to the Fallen", sometimes less is more.
    I can listen to TRL repeatedly, but SPR I don't really like at all.

    Oh well, Merry Christmas everyone!

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    posted 12-24-2000 03:36 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    replaced, Schmaced.....Williams'll be around for the next two!...NUFF SAID!

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    posted 12-24-2000 07:33 PM PT (US)     
     

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