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    Topic:   Best bond score?

     Camillu
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    I admit to only having the last 2 bond scores, and I was thinking of looking into some of the older ones, especially the Barry ones.

    Which one would you consider the best?

    I've heard On Her majesty's Secret Service praised as the best Bond score, but I love Conti's main theme from For Your Eyes Only too.

    The floor is yours...

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    posted 12-22-2000 09:57 AM PT (US)     

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    On Her Majesty's Secret Service for me, is by far the best Bond score of all! Unfortunately it's not so well represented on it's album release, if you see the film you'll realise just how much wonderful music was not included.

    I would suggest getting Ryko's release of The Living Daylights, Barry's last, though one of his best Bond scores.

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    posted 12-22-2000 10:57 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Why, Eric Serra's GOLDENEYE is the best, of course ...

    Seriously, my favorites are GOLDFINGER, YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and MOONRAKER. I can't really recommend the sole Michael Kamen entry, as it's not up to his usual.

    I admit to a guilty fondness for Hamlisch's SPY WHO LOVED ME ...

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    posted 12-22-2000 11:59 AM PT (US)     

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    I take every chance I can get to berate that work of nothing known as On Her Majesty's Secret Service! What trash!!

    Seriously, I hope this does get an expanded release someday, since the current album has been oft played to the point that it's getting old....

    With the recent job Ryko did on THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS, I must say that is becoming a close fave also

    Happy Holidays,
    Sean

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    posted 12-22-2000 12:15 PM PT (US)     

     Darth Fart
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    With the exception of Dr NO. I love all the Bond scores, each one offers something different. Each one suits a particular mood.
    I love Conti's FYEO!
    Ryko did a superlative job on Living Daylights.

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    posted 12-22-2000 01:26 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    I agree with Darth Farticus... I can't choose one over the other.

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    posted 12-22-2000 06:22 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Boy, this is tough.....

    When all is said and done, for me, as much praise as OHMSS gets from people, I prefer You Only Live Twice as the best Bond score.

    It has a lovely main theme/Nancy Sinatra vocal, all those Japanese flavored cues, the wonderful Capsule in Space music, and a number of great action cues.

    What's more, most of the best stuff is on the album. There are some great cues that didn't make the disc (Silva's Bond Back in Action pathetically tried to fill these in on their CD) but the orig. soundtrack has a good representation of the score.

    OHMSS comes in as a quick second, almost a tie. But as stated before, the soundtrack doesn't capture all the great stuff that is in the score and it does stuff like mix the Blofeld hideaway cue together with the Convertible drive cue rather than give us both complete. Nevertheless, there is still a lot of great stuff on the soundtrack disc--the Louis Armstrong song, the pre-credits and credits music, the aforementione Blofeld/Convertible music and still more great action cues--and so you couldn't really go wrong there either.

    Then comes The Living Daylights & Thunderball, though some of the best music from Thunderball is on the 2CD 30th Anniversary Bond collection rather than the original soundtrack disc. Goldfinger, Moonraker, Diamonds Are Forever, and The Man With The Golden Gun all have one or two cues each which are amazing.

    The nice thing about YOLT & OHMSS is that they are budget CDs, like $12 a piece. I pay more than that for Pizza once a week.

    NP: FSM's From The Terrace CD (Elmer Bernstein)

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    posted 12-22-2000 08:16 PM PT (US)     

     Stephen Lister
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    I can't really hear the Barry/Bond scores objectively since they're inextricably linked with childhood memories. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE was my favourite Bond movie at that time - the locale seemed fresh and exciting and BIG, and the music was lush and exotic in a way I'd never experienced before. The opening "Capsule In Space" cue (also used in the climax) seemed to me to be the epitome of how a Bond movie sounded. I couldn't imagine what they'd do to top that one ... but they did, with OHMSS ... as soon as that main theme started, I got chills with excitement and anticipation (I was ten years old, and a ten year old's excitement and anticipation is pretty intense). When Bond loses a ski and carries on skiing on ONE LEG - God, that was the coolest piece of heroism I'd ever seen - and Barry's music (that theme again) made it seem even more so.

    Long before DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER hit my local fleapit, I heard the Bassy song on the radio A LOT. Those opening notes - mysterious, sexy, vaguely futuristic - just hypnotised me, and can still raise a chill today. I think I enjoyed the atmosphere of the movie more than the story itself - Connery seemed tougher, and Barry had refined the Bond sound into musical velvet - with a steel hand inside. (About a year later the Moon Buggy was toured around England - it came up north and I actually got to climb on the thing.)

    LIVE AND LET DIE for some reason was the peak of my Bond-watching days. Maybe it's because I was in love with America (from watching too much TV) and this was set there ... maybe it was the refreshing score, which I think deserves a bit more recognition than it usually gets ... and Moore was actually GOOD in this one. LIVE AND LET DIE marked a turning point in my childhood - it was the last Bond movie to give me that childlike thrill, the last Bond I truly enjoyed. I was 13. The horrors of puberty were upon me...

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    posted 12-22-2000 10:00 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Now that I think of it, OCTOPUSSY boasts one of Barry's loveliest themes.

    I had the ORIGINAL, little-seen CD of this, bought for retail price, but I lost it in the mail when moving back from Japan ... ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

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    posted 12-22-2000 11:22 PM PT (US)     

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    Mine is A View To A Kill...Love that John Barry action cue. Similar pleasures come from Octopussy.

    NP - The Last Starfighter (C. Safan)

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    posted 12-23-2000 10:57 AM PT (US)     

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    The best bond score weeeelll lets see The world is not enough dddduuuuuuhhhhhh!

    JZ

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    posted 12-23-2000 11:26 AM PT (US)     

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    Any Bond film scored by John Barry is fantastic, although On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Goldfinger and From Russia With Love are some of my favorites. I also have to agree that RykoDisc's expansion of The Living Daylights has raised my opinion of that score as well.

    James Bond should never go on a mission without John Barry.

    ...and, since this is another Bond thread...

    BRING BACK SHIRLEY!!! BRING BACK SHIRLEY!!!

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    posted 12-23-2000 12:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Stephen, we both seem to have shared the same childhood memories. I first saw YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE/DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER as a double-bill ( remember those) back in the cinema about 1972 when I was 7, and like David Arnold expresses, I haven't been the same since. The music blew me away and to me Bond and Barry go "hand in glove". The following year I saw "Live and Let Die" and that hit me for six too. So much so, that I cried and cried until my mum allowed me to go and see it again a few days later. I love George Martin's funky score to that movie cos' its indelably printed in my childhood memories, like you. So, for me, I cant choose one in particular, but I would say that any Bond score by Barry is a must for any Bond fan. Yesterday, My nephews were visiting and of course, as usual, they wanted to watch "The Mummy" on my projection screen again. I have to tell you this which I thought was great. I put on a couple of scenes from YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (Just to make sure they grow up properly with a good taste in movies....just kidding!) Anyway, the scene was in the Volcano Hangar near the end when Connery starts the mayhem off by firing his cigarette at the guard. As soon as that happens Barry's punchy action motif comes in and about 20 seconds into it my 7 year old nephew says "the music good isn't it?" God, I felt proud to be his Uncle!! Just thought I'd share that pleasing experience with you. Barry lives on into the 21st Century!! Gae

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    posted 12-23-2000 05:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Gae, I do indeed remember those double bills - DR NO/FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE was the most common one in my neck of the woods.

    For some reason the Bond reissues always arrived on the last weekend of the summer holidays ... another reason they seemed so compelling to my childish mind - they embodied the last exciting days of freedom before the boring drudge of school began again.

    Wow, this nostalgia trip is giving me goosebumps...

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    posted 12-23-2000 08:37 PM PT (US)     

     Stephen Lister
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    And Gae, great to hear the little 'uns are able to appreciate good music ... it looks like there's hope for the next generation after all. Watch out when he's a teenager - he'll be borrowing your CDs and you'll never get them back!

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    posted 12-23-2000 08:43 PM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    Yeh Stephen, he's already doing that with my tapes!! I gave him the "Star Wars" double cassette cos' I also had it on CD. He was listening to it for a while and then it magically disappeared! I just hope it did'nt end up in the bin. Children have an aptitude for losing things and then suddenly finding them again months later. My nephews definately go through fads though. At the moment "The Mummy" is the latest craze, although my 6 year old nephew hides behind the sofa whenever its on! Remember that while watching Doctor Who or Star Trek? I used to do it. It was quite funny cos when we were watching "The Mummy" on the projection screen my youngest nephew kept standing at the door and going in and coming back all the time. When I asked him why dont you sit down and watch the film he said "No, I'm scared!!" They probably shouldn't be allowed to watch it I suppose as it is a 15 certificate, although I'm sure they've seen worse on some computer games! The previous fad they had was "The Mask of Zorro" and before that "Jurrasic Park" etc etc. The list goes on and on!! gae

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    posted 12-24-2000 05:08 AM PT (US)     

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    Gae, Stephen, wow! I remember those double bills...The first one I saw was Dr.No/Thunderball, another was DAK/OHMSS which oddly was in that order...great memories

    p.s. Our Man Flint...BBC 2 NOW!

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    posted 12-24-2000 06:20 AM PT (US)     

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    I like Tomorrow Never Dies by Arnold. I have never heard nor seen any of the other Bond movies, except for: TND, TWINE, & Goldeneye. Eric Serra's score for Goldeneye had some good points.

    -Racerprose

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    posted 12-24-2000 07:55 AM PT (US)     

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    Racerpose--Get thee to a video store!.....

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    posted 12-24-2000 08:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Having just recently gotten all the Bond scores in mp3 or on CD, I can say my favourite Barry scores are YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, OCTOPUSSY (one of the best action cues), A VIEW TO A KILL (The golden gate fight is my fave!) and THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS (which Ryko's disc really did justice too!)

    YOLT is a very lush score and contains one of my favourite pieces - Mountains and Sunsets. Bond Averts WW3 is one of the best action cues in the series.

    OCTOPUSSY still needs a decent release but is worth getting.

    AVTAK is not my fave Bond film but Barry's score is one of the best ones he has done. The electric guitar used gives it a whole different feel from previous scores.

    TLD is by far Barry's best of the 80's Bond scores. The use of early electronic instruments gives the new Bond a different feel from previously and it works well. Even the songs on the CD is quite good!

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    posted 12-25-2000 06:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Same as Lou says above....That's an order!

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    posted 12-25-2000 06:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Barry always wrote great music for the Bond films, more or less (I never really liked his "action" music beyond the Connery years, though--DAYLIGHTS aside). However, I think that David Arnold is a better craftsman and composer--seriously.

    My vote is a toss-up between TND and TWINE. Both scores are structured extraordinarily well, and Arnold reminds us--in the very best tradition of Herrmann and Goldsmith--that A WHOLE LOT can be accomplished with very little. AS an aside, I also really like the quality of composition in the last two excursions as well. But most importantly, Arnold's music *functions* well in the last two outings (if it was undermixed in TND). The music is consistent and Arnold develops material, giving a strong storytelling component to both of his scores--a component that helps the audience build a better relationship with the picture, if even subconsciously so.

    The only sigificant flaw in the last two scores was the inclusion of Sheryl Crow's title song--having nothing to do with the rest of the music in tone or melodic identity. This served to hinder an audience's relationship to Arnold's magnificent, coherent work. A title sequence of "Surrender" would have made TND's score closer to perfect than earthly things should be. Too bad, all the same....

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    posted 12-30-2000 06:02 PM PT (US)     

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    Barry's music is much more romantic, gives the film an identity whereas Arnold's music is a little too loud, but he's done a good job so far.

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    posted 12-31-2000 10:29 AM PT (US)     

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    It'd have to be Living Daylights (the Ryko version, naturellement), closely followed by Thunderball and, er, Casino Royale. File under 'guilty pleasures', that last one. I find the David Arnold efforts strangely disappointing.

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    posted 01-02-2001 01:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Why feel guilty shrubber? Along with Richard Rogers, George Gershwin, John Barry and Lennon & McCartney, Burt Bacharach is one of THE great tune smith's of our time

    NP : Red Planet - hey JJ, I can't stop playing this one, it's your fault man

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    posted 01-03-2001 11:45 AM PT (US)     

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    MOONRAKER

    Although it is the shortest of them all, it is the moodiest...


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    posted 01-04-2001 01:06 AM PT (US)     

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    Monty Norman and John Barry finally go to court in February to finally settle the Bond issue. Hopefully, we'll see the remastered CDs later this year!!! I want expanded Bond, I want them NOW!!!

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    posted 01-04-2001 07:23 AM PT (US)     

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    Anyone see the music featurette on the A VIEW TO A KILL DVD?

    You'd never guess that 1) John Barry might have written the James Bond theme from the presentation and/or 2) that Monty Norman and John Barry have waged a relatively bitter artistic war about it, based upon the way that Monty Norman talks about John Barry in the short film.

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    posted 01-04-2001 08:40 AM PT (US)     

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    Monty Norman...Who he?

    NP : Doors Concerto (Marian )

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    posted 01-04-2001 09:10 AM PT (US)     

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    I'd vote for OHMSS. You guys may already know this, but the Louis Armstrong vocal was written as the Main Title. You can see what Barry intended if you run and film and play the music silmultaneously - Louis Armstrong crooning "We have all the time in the world..." and graphics of clocks floating past. Works perfectly, but just before release, the producers felt the song was too "downbeat" to open a Bond film and had Barry slap together a version of his already written chase music. This is certainly one of the reasons Barry soured on the franchise - not to mention that the films got more and more ridiculous. The best FILM, in my opinion, is "From Russia With Love" because it actually makes sense and tries to be an honest dramatic story. Barry's score, however, is a bit too "all over the map" for my taste - we did get the "007" theme from this chapter. Barry finally locked in the ultimate "James Bond" sound on "Goldfinger" and played it to marvelous advantage for years and years after.

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    posted 01-04-2001 10:24 AM PT (US)     

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    I nominate Never Say Never Again as the worst.

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    posted 01-09-2001 02:46 PM PT (US)     

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    I've seen the music documentary on View to a Kill.

    it is very nice, indeed. They talk with every composer of each Bond film, and they're all so cordial.

    good stuff!

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