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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
How is yinz doin'?

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Super-duper pumped. Just headid dahn ta Pimanti brudders to get some pierogies.

Thank God that accent never stuck with me.

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Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
To answer your question honestly, Dan, I can't remember what it was that "set me against" you. I'm in a relatively good mood right now, so when I snap out of it, I'll let you know.

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It's funny - I'm reminded of one of those ancient disputes between countries that have gone on for so long that neither party remembers why they're fighting to begin with.

Well, I'm here and now offering a bit of peace (as mentioned above). If you're gonna slap it out of my hand, well, I suppose that's that then.

Dan

Regards,

I missed that originally. Dan didn't get it, I guess.

To Big Bear! I didn't respond to the vast majority of the emails I received Re: Dan Is A Prick, so yeah........I guess all the backstabbing was done by Dan against these people, who in turn backstabbed Dan by emailing me. Ugh. Nevermind.

My favorite PA quote:
"Yinz guys got doz rap CDz wit da swears?"

Dan, of course I would. The difference between you and Chris Neel is clear: he doesn't have to tell everyone he knows the most - he adds what he knows without any hint of arrogance, and it's perfectly effective. I am asking people to be more like Chris. I appreciate you bringing him up to allow me to make my point, although I am sure he's not pleased to be mentioned in all of this.

Big, start your own website!

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Originally posted by PeterK:
The difference between you and Chris Neel is clear: he doesn't have to tell everyone he knows the most - he adds what he knows without any hint of arrogance, and it's perfectly effective.

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Okay, fair enough. But you know, I'm a little disappointed that you're so blind you can't see the forest for the trees. I may name drop, or mention I've been to sessions, or interviewed a particular composers, or whatever. But it's never intended to be done as "bragging" or "I know more than you". I sense you keep thinking in this particular way because you may have had a bad experience (or two or three) in Los Angeles, and might have some resentment towards me just because I'm doing stuff that you were doing, but aren't doing anymore.

So I'm sorry for you. Really, I am. It seems that you and Shaun and a select few others think that I'm "boasting" or "name-dropping" or acting "holier-than-thou" when I post to this board. Well that's your perception, but you seem to always overlook the fact that I'm here trying to contribute to discussions, just like you. I might have more of an "insider" view on things, which might make me seem to be bragging about knowing more. But that's not my problem, if you have an issue with perception.

Most people would be HAPPY to have someone so involved in the industry they support contributing to their website bulletin board. But you have somehow fostered such a negative response to those people who talk about what they do, that it doesn't surprise me that there are others on this board who start to feel the same way, and only see the negative attitude.

See the forest, Peter. We're all here for the forest. Don't let the trees get in your way.

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Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
My favorite PA quote:
"Yinz guys got doz rap CDz wit da swears?"

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I see you've met my brother.

Now, you are suggesting that your "ego" thing is a "perception" of mine. But how? I only spoke up about this hours ago (for reasons stated above) after you spelled out your own arrogance and egocentrism quite literally and clearly.

I don't know quite how to react to your suggestion that I don't like you because you are doing what I have done for 10 years (and still do, obviously) with regard to film music. I hope you aren't reading into things (you've assured me you don't), but I find it amusing how much you really do not know me, yet somehow have the full analysis handy.

Two questions, Dan. Do you perceive yourself to be the only one with "insider" connections on this board? And, does one have to be in Hollywood to be an "insider" according to your perceptions?

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Big, start your own website!

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I've actually had some wonderful opportunities to meet and greet a few of my favorite composers... the Goldsmith dinner, the Morricone dinner (I was this close to convincing Cliff Eidelman to score a short film I was doing... dammit), not to mention crashing the composing classes at my alma mater... (man it seems like quite a long time ago).

I guess I don't so much envy the connections you fellas have, but rather envy your ability to focus on it so much. Then again, if it was my job, I might start to hate it or something. Anyhoo...

I'm a filmmaker... most of the sessions I go to are either for my own stuff or for close friends who trust my taste. I'd just love to someday be a fly on the wall in one of John Williams' sessions. That's all.

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Originally posted by Big Bear:

I guess I don't so much envy the connections you fellas have, but rather envy your ability to focus on it so much. Then again, if it was my job, I might start to hate it or something. Anyhoo...

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Big, truer words were never spoken. In my years of doing this, I've seen burnouts more than once among peers, even more so now that the Internet's here. Unless one is connected with a business plan that affords new opportunities relating to "covering soundtracks," they will more than likely burn out.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
all I ask is for everyone to treat each other equally[quote]

And where, pray tell, have I treated someone unequally? If I "name drop" or whatever, does that mean I'm not treating people equally because they don't have the same opportunities as I?

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Two questions, Dan. Do you perceive yourself to be the only one with "insider" connections on this board? And, does one have to be in Hollywood to be an "insider" according to your perceptions?

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1. No, I don't consider myself to be the only one with "insider connections" on this bulletin board. But just because some people don't talk about theirs, and I choose to talk about mine, shouldn't make me a bad person. Would you rather that I just not talk about the stuff I do in the film music community? (It sure sounds to me like that's what your asking!)

2. No, you don't have to "be in Hollywood" to be an "insider". You have to have the inside scoop to be an "insider" (hence the word, right?). Shaun has on more than one occasion complained about how I'm an "insider" - so I'm assuming that he thinks that regardless of your physical location, being an "insider" is a bad thing.

If I'm an "insider" (and not the only "insider" here, right?), and I happen to contribute to this bulletin board and mention the things I'm doing in the industry (which Shaun calls "name-dropping"), then I guess no matter WHAT I do, it's going to be perceived as arrogant if that's all your going to see.

Of all the people who have left this bboard because of "egos", how many have NOT returned? (And Peter, I never said I was arrogant and egocentric - I said that you might perceive things as being arrogant because of the reasons above. But anyways.)

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I find it amusing how much you really do not know me, yet somehow have the full analysis handy.

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Good point - I don't know you. And you don't know me. And you should really stop using THAT as your excuse in our discussions. I've offered to meet up with you on multiple occasions to work out our differences, and have been turned down each time. We're past that point, Peter. Stop bringing it up unless you're going to bring something new to the table and try to move forward in some form of reconciliation. (Which, incidentally, I am still for. I think you keep missing the post above where I actually offered "peace" with Shaun. It's unfortunate that you seem so focused on the word "arrogance" and "ego" that you seem to have forgotten about your own.)

Oh yeah - one other thing. Chris Neel has been for the most part a lurker, and I don't think you can form any kind of character assesment of him in the few posts he's submitted here. (He's a nice guy, incidentally, I met him in person.) Whoops. Did I just name drop? Crap. (Well, you should be happy that members of your bboard are meeting each other in real life!) Anyways, I bring him up because you say he "adds what he knows without any hint of arrogance". Well, sure. But where (please please please. I am asking you again) have I been arrogant? (If it's in the middle of a "heated debate/argument/discussion", I don't think you really have any right to use that as an example.)

99.9% of my "normal" information/discussion-oriented posts have been arrogance-free. Unless you think arrogance is defined as what I mentioned above.

So, let's try to just be on "friendly" terms, eh? You can keep my website url blocked from being written in any post, and I'll keep your link off our site. But beyond that, let's just move on, shall we? I'll probably continue to "name-drop", but how many people would rather NOT hear about the JP3 scoring session, or know about an interview with Alan Silvestri, etc. etc? If that's arrogance, well, I suppose I'm guilty as charged.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
Shaun, just because they didn't email you doesn't mean they aren't out there. Anyways, you're pulling a Peter and not answering my (only) question: what was it that pissed you off so much?

Dan

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While, I didn't want to get into all this silly ego-boosting or whatever you all want to call it. The way this all has been read by myself. It looks like Shaun's and Peter's dislike of Ford has been transferred over to yourself. Seeing that you do defend him on quite a few occasions this might just be the reason.

As I don't know who is too blame, or if this is indeed the reason. In any case, I really don't care. It was funny at first, now it's just childish on all of your parts!

Does anyone know off hand if there is a list of Ralph Wiggum quotes online?

"I eated the purple berries! ...they taste like burning!"

Best line from a member of the Flanders family:

"Ow, my freaking ears!"

Found one:
http://www.snpp.com/guides/ralph.file.html

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I may name drop, or mention I've been to sessions, or interviewed a particular composers, or whatever. But it's never intended to be done as "bragging" or "I know more than you".

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Dr Evil voice:

<sigh>

I suppose I could just chalk it up to mild jealousy on your part.

"I suppose I could just chalk it up to mild jealousy on your part."

Dan, this is EXACTLY what I am asking people to STOP. Imagine if I, or anyone else said this to you? You'd go absolutely nuts!

JJH and DAN: Be cool to others if you want them to be cool to you. Geeesh. I can't think of many more ways to say "treat each other like you'd like to be treated."

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Dan, this is EXACTLY what I am asking people to STOP. Imagine if I, or anyone else said this to you? You'd go absolutely nuts!

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I probably wouldn't go nuts; how I would react is something you can't guess at. But it would probably something I'd shrug off.

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I think both of you need to participate in the townhall meeting. You are a part of this crowd.

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Well, that thread is too long but I can pretty much answer them in a short paragraph:

The topics range from insightful to lame; I visit as much as I did last year; moderation is mixed, I disagree with it more often than not, but most people don't know that since those threads have vanished. The comaraderie is interesting; there are various "gangs" of people who share opinions, and battle the other "gangs" with opposing views at all possibly opportunities. Only two or three people here are friends of mine; the rest I don't know and there are some who seem to have a deep-rooted hatred for me (seemingly for having defended Ford Thaxton on numerous occasions - or for being an "insider" or "namedropping").

I hope that answers your questions! I have no desire to leave mm.com anytime soon; but I think that if some people (you know who you are) just got over my "insider" perspective, they'd see that I DO contribute a lot of useful information. (Or so I think.)

make me shut up, monkey breath.

Dan:

what fun to pick on.
I don't begrudge the fact you feel you need to name-drop, and I do no begrudge the fact you want to promote your site.

But don't ask to me to believe your stated name-dropping position when I read posts about John Ottman's inconsequential Pumpkin score as if it's the next coming of Ben-Hur, and you've got the inside track on it.
Watch out; big man on campus here.

woo-hoo.
can I be anymore underwhelmed?

I have mental images of the monkeys in 2001 beating the sh*t out of each other right now.

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Originally posted by JJH:
But don't ask to me to believe your stated name-dropping position when I read posts about John Ottman's inconsequential [b]Pumpkin score as if it's the next coming of Ben-Hur, and you've got the inside track on it.
Watch out; big man on campus here.

woo-hoo.
can I be anymore underwhelmed?

such a sweet kid.[/B]

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Oh, please JJH. Spare me! First off, Kosh had started the PUMPKIN thread, and I was merely posting info about the score to that (pertinent) thread because people were (gasp!) interested in hearing sound clips. I don't recall talking about it as if it was the second coming of BEN HUR.
http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/005989.html

If you don't care about PUMPKIN, why are you even reading (and bitching about) a thread called "John Ottman's PUMPKIN"?

Peter, yes, I suppose this thread was too long. Sorry about that - should have posted to the other place! (I was just trying to save time posting in one place instead of replying here and THEN in the other thread.)