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MWRuger

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I have noticed that some seem fairly critical of his (Randy Newman’s) film scoring work and I am curious as to why they hold that opinion.Take a look (or listen) at some of his work:
Pleasantville – While the film is tracked with many pop tunes his score is under the surface and provides just the right emotional pitch when called for. The “march of progress” sound that he uses to illustrate the basketball practice is perfect in recalling all those dreadful films we saw in elementary school and at the same time portraying the confidence that the America of the fifties seemed imbued with.
Toy Story 1 & 2 – Nice little scores for a couple of vastly entertaining Disney film. I would rather watch these again then sit through Pocahontas or Hunchback the 1st time, His little army men theme when the soldiers parachute down the stairs is spot on. HERESY ALERT: Even the songs were good! When did it become a crime to put a song in a film? I would refer you to some golden age composers who were forced to have songs and they sounded awful (Don’t believe me, take a listen to Guns of Navarone with the Mitch Miller singers)! At least his song fit the movie and the style of music.
By the way, the academy award nominated (he has nine nominations) song for Toy Story II (When Somebody Loved Me) was much better than Phil Collin’s entry. How could anyone watch that movie and hear that song and not feel destroyed? A great Randy Newman song. (Not taking anything from Sarah McLachlan who makes the song live)
Ragtime – An awesome score that really spans the musical spectrum. His music conveys the sense of bundled anticipation, a new world wanting to be born. The period leading up to WWI is often considered the attic of 19th century, the final collapse of the Victorian age. This film and this music shows that a new, vibrant world was waiting in the wings. It took Randy Newman’s score, weaving under the layers of a supposedly proper and civilized world to show us what is and what is coming.
Awakenings- Here is a picture that represented a change for both Robin Williams and Randy Newman. Awakenings is a serious film score perfectly to denote not only tragedy but hope as well. A marvelous score and worth getting if only to hear a side of Randy Newman that you never knew existed.
I ask you, why is he held in low esteem when score fans almost universally lionize his cousin Thomas? I mean, do American Beauty and Erin Brockovich really sound all that different? Isn’t American Beauty a logical extension of the work he did in Shawshank Redemption?
NP. The Quiet Man
[Message edited by MWRuger on 12-14-2000]
posted 12-14-2000 09:37 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Well, I personally think the world of Randy Newman, and AWAKENINGS is both a truly great film and a truly great score. (I actually thought he should have gotten the Oscar nomination -- if not even the award -- for that film that year, rather than AVALON.)
posted 12-14-2000 09:42 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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In regret, I might have been to harsh in my words directed at Randy Newman...I do not doubt his talent...but everytime he insists upon using that voice of his...ackkk...excuse me. It just doesn't lend to his credibility as a composer.BTW: I find Thomas Newman much more enjoyable and distinctive to listen to: Shawshank, Green Mile, American Beauty, and Red Corner...excellent.
posted 12-14-2000 10:41 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I only know his Toy Story scores, and only the first one really well (heard the second one once, in the film). But Toy Story is a very good score, from the opening cue for the Disney castle, to the [i]Mag7] spoof when Woody first appears, the plastic soldier theme or the theme for the mutant toys. And I really like the songs, although I'm usually VERY critical of songs in films.NP: Timmer's Bond Compilation
posted 12-16-2000 08:13 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I particularly like Newman's retro-70s-funk score for THE PAPER, INCLUDING the great, Oscar-nominated song he wrote for it; and I'm with Marian about his use of songs in the TOY STORY movies. "You've Got A Friend In Me" and especially "I Will Go Sailing No More" actually moved me to tears. I'm rather fond of "that voice of his."
NP: THE PRINCE OF EGYPT (Zimmer/Schwartz)
posted 12-16-2000 01:01 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Well, its good to see that Randy Newman has some people who like his work here. I am still interested in fans of Thomas Newman explaining why they have such a preference for his work. Its not bad, but what makes it so much better than Randy Newman's?
I have heard some of it and while I thought it was okay, it didn't really make me want to rush and buy more. So what gives, guys?
[Message edited by MWRuger on 12-16-2000]
posted 12-16-2000 09:46 PM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

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I wonder if anyone else caught MAD TV on Saturday night....there was a parody of Randy on where he was seen dashing out songs left and right every 5 mins.It started out with him naming off the movies he's scored...funny, but uncomfortable that skit TV is picking on film music now!
Doh!
Seanposted 12-18-2000 09:01 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Yeah, but anything and everything is fair game for those freaks ... check out their brutal send-ups of Demi Moore, and, more obscurely, their viciously hysterical sketch featuring a mincing, preening Joel Schumacher explaining his plans for BATMAN 5: "My vision of Batman is ... Tommy TUUUUUNE ..."
posted 12-18-2000 10:03 AM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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I love Randy's subtle music for "Maverick". His score can have all the grandure of a Western with a little comedy thrown in. Newman is the master at that.
posted 12-18-2000 02:56 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Maverick is my favorite Randy Newman score...unfortunately he doesn't compose like that more often. His music tends toward the goofy, comedic, hokey-poke genre more often. Oh well...
posted 12-18-2000 03:19 PM PT (US) 
debi
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I love Tom's work, but then I love Randy's as well. Perhaps Tom gets more attention because his is definitely a unique sound. He can do the big symphonic type score as well as the best of them, and then do something as instrumentally unusual and distinctive as AB. I notice that quite a few composers are copying the AB "quirkiness" now (or being asked to copy it!). It's that distinctiveness, I think, that garners Tom all the attention. Having said that, I grant you that "quirky" is not everyone's cup of tea.However, I totally agree with your comments on Randy's scores. He's a wonderful composer and any comparison with cousin Tom is apples to oranges. I would add that Randy is every bit as respected by his peers as is Tom. So I maybe it's not that Randy's held in lesser (or low) esteem, he's just not as "in the spotlight."
[Message edited by debi on 12-19-2000]
posted 12-19-2000 01:46 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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Randy Newman is alright in my book. And noone has yet mentioned the his lovely score for The Natural. Now "what gives with that?"
posted 12-19-2000 02:24 PM PT (US) 
Stephen Lister

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Hal, I was just scanning down this thread, thinking that very same thing, and mentally planning my response - but you beat me to it!THE NATURAL blew a lot of us away when it first came out (in the days of LPs). If the other people here who haven't mentioned it are actually unfamiliar with this score, you have GOT to check it out.
To paraphrase a magazine review of the original LP: "This is the kind of score that reminds us why we got into film music in the first place."

posted 12-19-2000 02:37 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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The Natural is a great movie and a great score. A homerun for Randy Newman.
posted 12-19-2000 07:30 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I thought THE NATURAL went without saying!
posted 12-19-2000 09:44 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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Points off Rocco. Great stuff never goes without saying.
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