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    Topic:   Single best-ever Jerry Goldsmith cue?

     PeterK
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    I've been reading some of the reviews/comments on MovieMusic about various soundtracks in the database. One of the shortest comments I've seen was for The Haunting: "'Finally Home' is one of the best pieces Jerry Goldsmith has ever written."

    I thought, "Wow, for someone like Jerry Goldsmith, who's written countless hundreds of hours worth of music, that's a pretty bold statement... and so short, too."

    What do you think? Does Goldsmith have one best-ever theme? Or is it just insane to even try to parse down such a huge body of work? Is "Finally Home" from The Haunting the best thing Goldsmith has ever written??

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    posted 12-07-2000 06:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I liked the prayer sequence in Valhala from 13th Warrior. There are other great spots in his career, but that was the first one that came to mind.

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    posted 12-07-2000 06:35 PM PT (US)     

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    Good Luck!

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    posted 12-07-2000 06:51 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    I've been reading some of the reviews/comments on MovieMusic about various soundtracks in the database. One of the shortest comments I've seen was for The Haunting: "'Finally Home' is one of the best pieces Jerry Goldsmith has ever written."

    I thought, "Wow, for someone like Jerry Goldsmith, who's written countless hundreds of hours worth of music, that's a pretty bold statement... and so short, too."

    What do you think? Does Goldsmith have [b]one best-ever theme? Or is it just insane to even try to parse down such a huge body of work? Is "Finally Home" from The Haunting the best thing Goldsmith has ever written??[/B]


    A very difficult question to answer. If I had to pick just one piece of music, it would be a toss-up between The Enterprise from ST:TMP and The Second Coming from The Final Conflict. The latter piece of music is fantastic because it is a testament to Jerry's sense of timing while at the same time giving birth to one of his finest moments on film. I think the same could be said about The Enterprise. When Kirk looks at the Enterprise and Jerry's music is going, she is the most beautiful woman you've ever seen.

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    posted 12-07-2000 07:21 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    There are too many "best" cues to choose one. As soon as I think I have one chosen, five more pop into my mind. Then ten.

    I give up.

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    posted 12-07-2000 07:35 PM PT (US)     

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    Perfectly said, Chris. I know exactly how you feel...THERE IS NO ONE GREAT SINGLE CUE BY GOLDSMITH BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GREAT!!!!


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    posted 12-07-2000 07:43 PM PT (US)     

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    ...

    [Message edited by skiletic on 06-27-2002]

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    posted 12-07-2000 08:08 PM PT (US)     

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    I feel the same way. He's done too much great stuff. I will mention one film score moment of his that left me with a great feeling tonight. After owning the score album for over two years, tonight was the first night that I saw the film "First Knight." During the finale, when Arthur kneels before the villain in front of his countrymen and says,"As my last act as king, I command you to...FIGHT!" while leaping up and pulling out his sword, the huge orchestral/choral cue "Never Surrender" bursts out and makes you want to get up and cheer. Now THAT'S a great cue.

    He's just done TOO much.

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    posted 12-07-2000 08:27 PM PT (US)     

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    If there was only one thing Goldsmith I could take anywhere with me, it'd be the main title theme for Star Trek: First Contact.


    NP -- Arabian Knight, Robert Folk

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    posted 12-07-2000 08:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Jeron, where are you?

    --Kyp
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    NP: Final Fantasy IX

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    posted 12-07-2000 11:07 PM PT (US)     

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    I dunno Kyp, where are you? I'm at home.

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    posted 12-07-2000 11:12 PM PT (US)     

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    Hehe, I figuered you would be lurking here, you being this HUGE Goldsmith fan and all.

    --Kyp
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    NP: Final Fantasy IX

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    posted 12-07-2000 11:15 PM PT (US)     

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    OH! You want me to contribute to this thread? Well, I'm with Mr. Joffe on this one. I can't single out just one cue, but if I was at gun point, it'd be "The Enterprise."

    Jeron

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    posted 12-07-2000 11:17 PM PT (US)     

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    The Enterprise from ST:TMP is a contender for sure--I prefer the more orchestrated first version (found on boots) as opposed to the more streamlined one that made it into the film--but both are great and either would be a pick.

    BUT, I'm also very fond of "Bead Party" from A Patch of Blue and "The Bridge" from The Blue Max (even if it didn't make it into the film, it's on the soundtrack and it's great). I'd have to say "The Rock" from In Harm's Way would have to be on the 'to pick from' list. There are a few TV themes that might qualify--Man from UNCLE certainly. The Main Title to Patton and that neat cue with the French Horn slides (whose title eludes me right now) from The Prize where someone follows Newman (or is it the other way around?)--anyway, that's equally great. For me, it would have to be one of these.

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    posted 12-08-2000 12:48 AM PT (US)     

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    At gunpoint...THE MUTANT from Total Recall

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    posted 12-08-2000 02:47 AM PT (US)     

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    First Blood theme.

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    posted 12-08-2000 02:49 AM PT (US)     

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    Hmmm, it's a tough one. Probably The Enterprise. Or maybe The Road to Masada. Or Raisuli attacks. Or The Hunt. Or... Goddammit!!!

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    posted 12-08-2000 03:48 AM PT (US)     

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    I’d just like to quote what I said about the cue ‘Finally Home’ at the thread “1999 – An Excellent Goldsmith Vintage”, made Nov 14 2000.

    ” The highlight of the album (THE HAUNTING) comes with the astonishing ‘Finally Home’. A generally quiet (but interesting) opening gives way to one of Goldsmith’s most magnificent creations. Towering orchestra, electronics, and thankfully perfect acoustics combine with mesmerizing thematic material. And the music moves too, developing, sometimes tortuously, before reaching a climax almost (but not quite) as shattering as one found in a Mahler symphony.”

    http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/004524.html

    In my opinion, whether ‘Finally Home’ is the best cue Goldsmith has ever written is almost impossible to determine, as others have pointed out, such cues as ‘The Enterprise’ and ‘The Mutant’, amongst many others, also provide some of the finest examples of film scoring.



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    posted 12-08-2000 04:50 AM PT (US)     

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    There are just too many of his 180 scores to mention one piece. There are just literally dozens of cues like that. Many of the choices above are good ones. Some of mine include:

    1. "Breakout" from Capricorn One
    2. "Main Title" and "All is in Vain" from Night Crossing
    3. "Bees Arrive" from Swarm
    4. "End Title" from Train Robbery
    5. several cues in In Harm's Way
    6. several cues in Blue Max
    7. Rambo II-several cues
    8. Under Fire-the rebel march
    9. Many of those above-Final Conflict
    and the themes in HOur of the Gun
    10. many of his themes

    Just too many, period. John.

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    posted 12-08-2000 05:09 AM PT (US)     

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    And two of my favorites from Poltergeist, "Escape from Suburbia" and "Twisted Abduction". When I first heard that second piece in the film it was extremely powerful with the deep brass. Very impressive. Best, JW.

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    posted 12-08-2000 05:11 AM PT (US)     

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    There are too many to list...but my top three would be:
    1. The Mutant (Total Recall)
    2. The Prayer Sequence (13th Warrior)
    3. Poltergeist...not sure of the track title...going into the "light" with the rope...(How's that for a simpleton description!)



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    posted 12-08-2000 07:31 AM PT (US)     

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    • Clever Girl (Total Recall)
    • Twisted Abduction (Poltergeist)
    • Escape from Suburbia (Poltergeist)
    • The Hunt (The Final Conflict)
    • Bajo Fuego (Under Fire)
    • The Enterprise (Star Trek TMP)
    • Leaving Drydock (Star Trek TMP)
    • Pot Luck (Gremlins 2)
    • Over Bumps and Hollows (Legend)
    • Main Title (Great Train Robbery)
    • Rotten Row (Great Train Robbery)
    • ...and TONS more I'm too lazy to write down now

    NP: Young Sherlock Holmes (Bruce Broughton)

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    posted 12-08-2000 07:55 AM PT (US)     

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    "Kick the Can" from TZ:The Movie

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    posted 12-08-2000 08:09 AM PT (US)     

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    This is like asking what John Williams best theme is. There are sooooo many great ones. Although with Goldsmith I'd probably have to go with Star Trek Theme, Alien, Escape From Suburbia, Total Recall. Too many to choose.

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    posted 12-08-2000 08:31 AM PT (US)     

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    PeterK,

    you must get off those drugs.

    Jerry Goldsmith is the type of composer who is better than most even when he is at his worst.

    Impossible to pick a single cue that would represent his best.

    I do love Rudy though.

    Scott

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    posted 12-08-2000 08:42 AM PT (US)     

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    ...nothings impossible!...make like Jeron suggested...YOU are at Gun Point...choose one and ONLY ONE y'bunch'o doofers

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    posted 12-08-2000 09:38 AM PT (US)     

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    John Winfrey, I do agree with you about "Prologue" and "Main Title" from Night Crossing. I've been impressed with most of Goldsmith's music just as everyone else, but when I first heard the opening of Night Crossing, I was blown away, having never thought I would EVER hear anything as good as, if not better than, "Also Sprach Zarathustra" by Ricard Strauss. Simply blown away!

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    posted 12-08-2000 09:52 AM PT (US)     

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    I simply refuse to limit my choices to just one cue. Here's my list:

    "The Mutant" and "A New Life" from TOTAL RECALL
    "Allergic Reaction/Athletic Type" from THE SECRET OF N.I.M.H.
    "The Caravan" from THE MUMMY
    "Assembly Line" from SMALL SOLDIERS
    "The Hollow Man" from...oh, take a guess.
    "The Carousel" from THE HAUNTING
    "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" from TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE
    "Klopek House" from The 'burbs
    "Trained Seals" from FIERCE CREATURES
    "The Victor" from L.A. CONFIDENTIAL
    "Bees Inside" from THE SWARM
    "Meet Spengo" from MOM AND DAD SAVE THE WORLD

    There's more where that came from...

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    posted 12-08-2000 10:04 AM PT (US)     

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    Had to toss in my off-kilter faves...
    The Monster Tractor from SUPERGIRL...that percussion is incredible! Can you say...thunderous
    Hot Water from OUTLAND....chase music that could cause seizures! Yahoo!
    The Big Jump from TOTAL RECALL....again, more heart pumping chase scherzo(a trend here?Nahhhh!)
    The Second Coming from THE FINAL CONFLICT...this wowed me when I first heard the album, but didn't really hit home until I saw the film for some reason. My only regret is that Goldsmith hasn't done a biblical epic.
    First Flight from NIGHT CROSSING....this chills my blood, only to be knocked down by the percussion outro.
    Arthur's Farewell from FIRST KNIGHT....the chorus is perfect here....so much passion. If you don't believe me, compare to the lifeless reading on Silva's Essential Goldsmith...
    Hell, I could sit here all day at write these!
    Maybe we should be looking for the worst cue JG has written

    NP: Dvorak Symphony No.8 - Walter/Col.SO

    All the best,
    Sean

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    posted 12-08-2000 10:09 AM PT (US)     

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    Well Old Bagdad from the 13th Warrior always makes me smile like a little school girl!

    dave

    I'm really not a little school girl.

    NP : Bethoven's 9th...still

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    posted 12-08-2000 10:11 AM PT (US)     

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    When I first heard the opening to Night Crossing, I jumped ten feet in the air.

    Great theme, though, with a great moment in its climax.

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    posted 12-08-2000 10:14 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm feeling old. The vast majority of scores mentioned here are pretty recent. I can positively say "ditto" to every cue mentioned, but I'm beginning to realise most of you guys are Generation CD-ers. I wonder how many old fogeys are among us? You know, people who actually bought the old vinyl thingies and still occasionally play LP-only stuff like SEBASTIAN, or open their foldout sleeves for PLANET OF THE APES to check out the cool black and white pix and read Chuck's notes. Or (sorry, but this is going to sound REALLY odd) occasionally just SNIFF those sleeves and remember the days when you could tell an American release from a UK one 'cos the cardboard and inner linings always smelled different? Maybe I'm a bit off-topic here, but somebody please tell me I'm not the only sad old relic on this board!

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    posted 12-08-2000 11:08 AM PT (US)     

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    Stephen, your not alone!

    Of course I'm a bit of a "young-old fogey":P

    I still play my LP of THE PRIZE, and have a CDR on the way of SEBASTIAN....and I cherish "old school" Goldsmith like Spiral Road, Lonely are the Brave, The Stripper,In Harm's Way.

    My Goldsmith "Golden Age" is the 80's though, since that is when I got into it.
    Eventually discovered the old stuff via APES(of course!) and gradually started finding everything else. I love his new work also, and have to say that all of it can stand comfortably together.

    NP: Twilight Zone the Movie(Goldsmith) Ironic eh! How much IS missing from this album? It's been years since seeing the film..

    Ciao,
    Sean

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    posted 12-08-2000 11:14 AM PT (US)     

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    Hey, I'm an oldie but goodie too. Love a lot of Goldsmith's 90's scores, but my favorites are his westerns like Bustin Broncos from Wild Rovers, the Trees theme from Lonely Are the Brave, and Main titles from Bandolero, Take a Hard Ride, Stagecoach, 100 Rifles, and The Loner.

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    posted 12-08-2000 11:28 AM PT (US)     

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    Well... I can't pick just one. My own, personal favorite is "Lions Attack" from The Ghost And The Darkness. I couldn't call any one cue best, though.
    A few good Goldsmith action cues:

    The Fire Dragon - 13th Warrior
    Hijacking - Air Force One (great stuff)
    Main Title - 100 rifles
    The Hanging - Bad Girls
    Ray Peterson, Neighbor From Hell - The 'burbs
    Bail Out - Congo
    One Way Ride - Contract On Cherry Street
    Stalking - The Edge
    Authur's Farewell - First Knight (very good)
    Gizmo Saves The Day - Gremlins
    Gremlin Pudding - Gremlins 2
    The Elevator - Hollow Man
    A Lot Better - Leviathan
    Final Fight - Lionheart (also great)
    The Motel - Love Field (not really an action cue, but I love that action motif in this track)
    The Road To Masada - Masada (falls in there with Lions Attack as one of my favs)
    The Fire - Medicine Man
    The Huns Attack - Mullan
    Rebirth - The Mummy
    Main Titles - Night Crossing
    German March - Patton
    Escape From Torture - Ramb: First Blood Part II
    Vacation's Over - The River Wild
    The Hotel - The Shadow (more great stuff)
    The Ring - Sleeping With The Enemy (this one is also a fav)
    Assembly Line - Small Soldiers
    The Enterprise - Star Trek I
    An Angry God - Star Trek V
    Red Alert - Star Trek: First Contact
    The Drones Attack - Star Trek: Insurrection
    Overture - Supergirl
    Main Title - Take A Hard Ride
    End Of A Dream - Total Recall
    The Horseman - The Wind And The Lion

    Okay, that's 35+. And I have still more Goldsmiths I didn't mention! I guess I'm just indecisive.
    And you know, I just realized this thread is best CUE, EVER, not best action cue. That's what I get for skimming a few posts.
    Somehow, though, I think best cue would have been far, far harder than best action cue. I mean, look what I came up with for that!

    NP: The Land Before Time, Horner

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    posted 12-08-2000 11:33 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, I only own 3 Goldsmith CDs (sorry guys!). But from those, I love:
    -The Flying Ballet (Supergirl)
    -First Contact (ST:FC)
    -Main Title (Insurrection)

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    posted 12-08-2000 12:06 PM PT (US)     

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    First of all, what criterion are basing this one track on? Music Technique, Emotional Evocation, Level to which it raises the film?
    The problem is I'd have to itemize and genrefy this question a bit. My first soundtrack was Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and from that to Hollow Man, To pick one from all that I have, plus the ones I love but don't is not only and impossible task, but a daunting one.

    We'd have to generate a response that would be like the MTV/Rolling Stone 100 Best Pop Songs of All time (at least they had the decency to keep most of current music out of the list, but sadly not enough from the 80's-where I think most of the best cheesy pop songs were written, next to the songs for Elvis movies). If only we had an editor like David Fricke for Rolling Stone whose hairdo is perhaps the most out-of-date appearance of hair I've ever seen. Someone should tell him he is not the lost member of Gary Puckett and The Union Gap!

    Sorry- was I ranting?

    In any case, if I at least at to pick a top ten, this is how I would list it.

    Main Title/Klingon Battle from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"
    The Shaft from "Alien"
    "Kick The Can" from Twilight Zone: The Movie
    "Gremlins Rag" from Gremlins
    "Lock-Ons" from Runaway
    "The Flying Ballet" from Supergirl
    "End of A Dream" from Total Recall
    "The Construction" from Explorers
    "Vejur Flyover" from Star Trek: The Motion Picture
    "The Sand Volcano" from THe Mummy

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    posted 12-08-2000 02:17 PM PT (US)     

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    I CAN NOT BELIEVE that no one has yet mentioned

    "The Monument" - LOGAN'S RUN


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    posted 12-08-2000 03:06 PM PT (US)     

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    My GOD Peter! How can you ask us such a horribly hard quesion?! Mine would have to be The Bridge from "Ghost and the Darkness"

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    posted 12-08-2000 04:41 PM PT (US)     

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    My personal favorite is the track on one of the First Knight bootlegs where Goldsmith promptly says "sh*t" or something of that nature immediately after the cue finishes. One of his finest moments, ladies and gentlemen.

    Jeron

    NW- Errr... about to go watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" << AWESOME MOVIE!

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