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    Topic:   Let's Talk....HIGHLANDER

     OHMSS76
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    I watched this for the first time last night, and thought it would be interesting to see what people here thought of this score.

    Michael Kamen did a good job, although some of the synth action sequences are questionable(why use electronics when you have the National Philharmonic!!!)
    There was more Queen in the film than I was aware of and aside from some of the flashback scenes maybe they should have just scored it themselves!
    The scene where the McCloud's march out to fight is the standout, or one of them. The new DVD was remixed,although some of the scored fight scenes were mixed low , and the NPO playing sounds fantastic.
    Also the finale has a great piece and you can tell that Kamen was into it(it's pretty obvious when he is and when he isn't into the film he's scoring).

    Isn't there a complete boot of this floating about, since the EMI album didn't happen right?

    All the best,
    Sean

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    posted 12-05-2000 12:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Sean, as a fan of Queen, I agree. I didn't remember that much of their music in there, but darned if there isn't a lot of it!

    I just wish they had done the other movies. At least we would have some great music.

    Michael Kamen's stuff isn't bad; it just kind sits there for me. It lacks the dynamism that the Queen Music has. His music in general is like that. I take it on a case by case basis.

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    posted 12-05-2000 01:05 PM PT (US)     

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    MW, I'm a fan of Queen also and thought their music complemented the movie well enough. Gotta have those symphonics for the big moments though!
    They should have scored the Kamen scored electronic scenes.
    If you want to hear Kamen's greatest composition...get the Concerto for Saxophone and Orch.
    It is the most incredible thing he's done and he really can write some amazing music, given the right project.
    It sounded that in Highlander, he was developing his action music into what it is today.

    Ciao for now!
    Sean

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    posted 12-05-2000 01:58 PM PT (US)     

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    I too am a fan of Queen and thought their music complemented the film quite well. In fact the main theme (Who Wants to Live Forever, written by Brian May the guitarist, not the Australian composer) was repeated numerous times throughout the movie with orchestra. The scene when Connor buries Heather STILL makes me cry due to how powerful the music and lyrics are with the scene.

    What I find amusing is that I disliked Queen's A KIND OF MAGIC album until I saw Highlander. It now puts a much different spin on it having watched the movie more times than I can remember. I know just about the entire script by heart.

    There is a 2CD sessions but it has a lot of hiss and is VERY repetitive. The music can be heard on the Highlander 3-movie compilation, as well as re-recordings from Edel's compilation Highlander:Best of Fantasy. If you combine the 5 original Kamen tracks and the 5 re-recorded ones, you'll get about 40 minutes of score.

    As for the terrible second film, Highlander 2:The Quickening, when Connor walks into the bar, the song on the jukebox is, I believe, "One Year of Love", the same song that's playing when he meets Brenda in the first film. I think that's the song - it's been so long since I've watched it. Also, another tip of the hat to Queen was when Ramirez and MacLeod are speaking to each other on Zeist and Ramirez says (about being immortal on Earth) "Sound like magic?" to which MacLeod replies "Kind of." The tagline was also "It's a kind of magic."

    By the way, did you watch the version of Highlander with the deleted scenes? While not much in terms of time, it made certain parts of the movie make much more sense, like when he says his final farewell to Rachel.

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    posted 12-05-2000 04:12 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok....for the sake of friendly nitpicking,

    In "Highlander", the song on the jukebox is "One Year of Love"....

    In "Highlander 2", the song on the jukebox is "It's A Kind of Magic"....

    The "Highlander" DVD makes generous mention of both Queen and Michael Kamen, even referencing the few seconds of Freddy Mercury singing "New York, New York" (which was really only a few seconds of recorded music, and never a full length song)....

    Between the EMI album and the Queen album, there should be enough (original) "Highlander" music to go around....The Edel "Highlander: Best of Fantasy" record is an excellent re-recording of the score, as well--the most noticable difference is between the "Highlander Theme" on EMI, and the "Training Montage" music on Edel--they essentially are the same music, though the Edel version jumps virtually right into the music, whereas the EMI creeps up to the theme with that woodwind intro. The Edel features a fairly throw-away orchestral performance of "It's a Kind of Magic."

    A great instrumental of "Who Wants to Live Forever"--(simply entitled, "Forever") is on the Queen album.

    So--that's about it, really.

    Except that if you like Highlander (and Queen's contribution thereto), you should also check out 1980's "Flash Gordon"....

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    posted 12-05-2000 05:16 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, I thought that it added some nice touches, but it wasn't anything that I couldn't live without.

    Talk about sad, have you ever listened to Made in Heaven? It was album compiled after Freddy Mercury's death. Man that is sad.

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    posted 12-05-2000 05:17 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks, Lancelot! I knew it was definitely a Queen song...just couldn't remember which one!

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    posted 12-05-2000 05:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh, yeah, and about "New York, New York" - the story goes Freddie didn't think he could do the song justice after Frank Sinatra and declined to sing the entire song. Still, it's pretty funny to hear Clancy Brown (The Kurgan) sing along with it in his butter-smooth voice (ahem) while Brenda screams her head off! Well, not literally. Always remember: don't lose your head!

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    posted 12-05-2000 05:45 PM PT (US)     

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    Mr Majestyx(cue Jerry Fielding score )
    Yep, got the new DVD and although I saw the film once in '85, the new scenes stood out.
    Gorgeous picture and sound on this one....

    I guess that Kamen did collaborate with Queen on this one, which would make sense...Kamen is a rock and roller at heart right?


    And the scene with NY NY...was that a new one? I just shook my head at that bit...bizarre bizarre Of course there is nothing more hilarious than when Kurgan is hitting pedestrians...just the way they shot it was too funny. Ill be watching the commentary this weekend..hope it's a good one!


    NP:The Usual Suspects(Ottman) Time to post some thoughts on this composer...

    Ciao!
    Sean


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    posted 12-06-2000 10:02 AM PT (US)     

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    I too saw the film quite recently.

    I think the wonderful songs by Queen worked very well in the film. I grew up loving those songs, and they made the film all the more enjoyable for me.

    Who wants to live forever works perfectly in the scene of McCloud and Heather, and I think it fits the symphonic bill quite nicely with it's sweeping melody.

    About Kamen's score, I consider 'The Quickening' and 'There Can Be Only One' to be 2 memorable pieces which stand alone as well as accompany the film wonderfully.

    Great Stuff.

    Trivia - The huge guy who acted as the Russian highlander (the baddie, name with a V - can't remember right now), acted quite prominently in which highly acclaimed film of 1995?

    Answer - He was the head guard in Shawshank Redemption.

    NP - Medicine man sound clip

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    posted 12-06-2000 10:25 AM PT (US)     

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    The New York, New York scene was in the cut version as well. I missed it the first time I saw it due to how gutteral the Kurgan's voice was.

    The Kurgan (aka Victor Kruger in the modern day) was Clancy Brown.

    As much as I love the first Highlander movie, it will always be tarnished by the sequels, the TV shows (The Series, The Animated Series, and The Raven), and video game based on The Animated Series. The original movie fit together so well while the sequels and spin-offs distracted from that. It's a shame the TV show wasn't based on Connor MacLeod's adventures both before and after he won The Prize.

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    posted 12-06-2000 11:44 AM PT (US)     

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    Yes I have managed to avoid all the new incarnations of the film and series also...
    Gotta dig those bagpipes playing with the NPO though right!

    Sean

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    posted 12-06-2000 02:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Ah, yes--but in what other 80's film did Clancy Brown portray a "Victor"...?

    Meanwhile--I think that the most recent addition, "Highlander: Endgame", has been the most faithful to the tone of the Highlander mythos. I think the general flow of good stories always involves "The Next One" inherting the role from "The First One". (If the "Star Wars" movies went to Episode Nine, it would logically be about the passing of the "Guardian" role from Luke Skywalker to his apprentice.)

    While probably not intentional, I think it was interesting that they used two composers to score the film, in a way, representing the two immortals and their intertwining lives. (Maybe it's a stretch, but it's a good score, anyway. If there is one thing it lacks, it is the Queen influence. Even the series opened with "Princes of the Universe". Somewhere along--between Final Dimension, and the Series, the Lorena McKennitt/Celtic new-age influence overtook the edgy 80's rock qualities that the first one implemented.)

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    posted 12-06-2000 03:32 PM PT (US)     

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    Lancelot, maybe it was a conscious decision to give a more timeless sound by moving it away from the 80's rock style and to Lorena McKennitt/Celtic. Sometimes those contemporary sounds can really date a picture.

    Consider Pat Boones contributions to Journey to the Center of the Earth. While pleasant enough in the year of its release (So I am Told) they really date the film and sound dreadfully hokey today.

    Of course Bernard Herrmann sounds wonderful!

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    posted 12-06-2000 03:40 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:

    Ah, yes--but in what other 80's film did Clancy Brown portray a "Victor"...?

    That would be The Bride, scored by Maurice Jarre.

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    posted 12-06-2000 05:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Rug--

    Hi--no, I didn't mean to suggest that McKennitt and such was a bad direction in which to steer the series....just different. Yes, it probably *was* a consicous decision.

    At best (or worst), I meant to imply that Queen's contribution there are so few) to a movie is a singularly defining characteristic, and probably should not be attempted to imitate....

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    posted 12-07-2000 11:06 AM PT (US)     

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    That's cool Lancelot. I wasn't stirring up a ruckus, but rather opining on why they might have done it.

    But you're right. If you can't get Queen, don't substitute some pale imitation.

    (I just had a horrible image. N'sync doing an Acappela version of Princes of the Universe. As bad you think it is. Shudder...)

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