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Originally posted by Taco:
Andrè, I just picked my nose.

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Well, lets only hope it was the last time...

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Originally posted by DANIEL2:
Whatever one’s opinion of the composer, the fact that Hans Zimmer is one of the most successful film composers in the history of cinema is incontestable.

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Is that so?
Hummm... Well, I believe we can call Hamzimmer the Michael Jackson of film music then!

"In closed mouths mosquitos shall not enter"
- W. Shakespeare

Ok, I gotta go get dressed for the Boston Symphony under the batton of Seji Ozowa. He's conducting a new Corigliano Symphony and Tchiakovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1

I bet he loves Zimmer. But he likes to mess with others heads more!

Long live Zimmer.

dave

He simply stated the obvious, and asked for a reasoned response. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

Andre might like to push buttons and be a smartass 99% of the time, but some of us have serious opinions vested in these topics that he makes light of.

(WARNING: The proceeding was RHETORICAL question.)

I think everyone has settled into firm, unalterable positions that they wouldn't consider being moved from.

Are there really any undecided out there?

Yes…me.

I have neither heard the score or seen the movie, though my interest has certainly been aroused, and I keenly anticipate viewing the movie at some point during the year 2001.

How can anyone get peeved about Andre’s remarks relating to Zimmer’s work when he hasn’t made any? The only substantive criticism Andre has made about Zimmer is that he ‘sucks’. That could mean anything – perhaps Andre thinks he’s got a bad pitching arm. In much the same way, Andre fails to explain adequately why he thinks Jerry Goldsmith’s 90s scores are so great. When Andre says “Jerry’s great”, for all we know he’s referring to the strength of Goldsmith’s pitching arm.

Having said that, I have thoroughly enjoyed having the opportunity to expose Andre’s inability to articulate his dislike of Zimmer’s work, not least because it has given me further opportunities to discuss my high regard for this most accomplished of film composers.

To be honest, I can’t think of a greater compliment than referring to Hans Zimmer as the ‘Michael Jackson of film music.’ – what a glowing tribute.

I think Andre betrays his neurotic tendencies most obviously when he talks about what he actually likes (which is admittedly a rarity) and how he perceives other people’s perception of cinema. It would appear that Andre is a fan of Jerry Goldsmith and Ennio Morricone, and of course, in his eyes these composers can do no wrong. But, it is when Andre talks about other board members being obsessed with Zimmer’s work, or worshipping Seagal’s movies, or hating Jerry Goldsmith that a true picture of Andre’s attitudes come to light.

Andre doesn’t seem to realize that 99% of the rest of humanity regard cinema and the world at large with moderation. Yes, we have our likes and dislikes, and we have our favourite composers and there are those that we care for less, but most of us accept that although composer A may not be one of our personal favourites, he is still capable of producing some good work, and that although composer B may be one of our personal favourites, he is also capable of producing a few bum scores.

What is most interesting about Andre’s stance is his apparent denigration of modern cinema as a whole. Again though, Andre seems incapable of articulating his reasons for this apparent dislike of contemporary cinema.

I’m glad to see that you are as big a sanctimonious hypocrite as anyone else at this message board, myself included.

From what I have seen of your postings at this message board, you seem to be a particularly reasonable and pleasant young man…..and for that reason, I will take the time to point out to you a number of glaring errors of judgement in your above posting, in the hope that you will not replicate such embarrassingly naïve behaviour in the real world.

1) When you make a ‘jest’, try to make it funny….and, make sure it is relevant – your ‘bastard’ joke was neither funny nor was it relevant. And, always be prepared for a response from the object of your jest….such a response may not always be to your liking. If you are easily offended, as you obviously are, maybe it is best to say nothing in the first place.

Perhaps, in future, you will learn to accept that if you make a rhetorical statement or a clumsy jest, you must still expect a response from the person to whom such rhetoric is directed.

2) I wasn’ wondering what your educational background is, but since you mention it, I can only presume that you are currently attempting to major in English, judging by the atrocious spelling, grammar, punctuation and presentation of your postings at this thread. To be frank, if my eleven year old grandson had displayed such grammatical ineptitude as you have here I would have had something to say to his English schoolteacher. Perhaps you meant to say you majored in English Literature?

Okay, so your apparent misunderstanding of the meaning of bastardize was merely an attempt at humour. But, apart from giving the incorrect meaning of the work bastard anyway (you said, ‘a bastard is child who is born without a father’ - !!perhaps another joke!!), you also somehow link the word scrutinize to the word bastardize – another joke? – when the words bastardize and scrutinize bear no relation whatsoever to each other.

You then misspell sentence.
You then write “your” instead of “you’re”.
Amazingly, you then write “you’re” instead of “your”.
You then misspell “amount”.
And so on….and, by the way, it’s PPS, not PSS.

Perhaps in future, you will give a little more thought before criticizing other board members’ use of the English language. I am as guilty of bastardizing the English language as anyone else, and therefore do not seek to pick fault in others, except, as in your case AaronR1074, when someone attempts to pick me up.

3) Think a little before telling people things like, ‘you have way too much spare time on your hands’. For all you know, I may be convalescing after a serious accident or illness, or I might be wheelchair-bound and therefore reliant on the internet as a means of whiling away the days, or I might be unemployed (and not through choice). Such as remark as ‘you have way too much time on your hands’ can be construed as a gross insult, no matter how benign your intentions.

As it happens, I’m not any of those things….I’m not one of the idle rich, either!

In any event, I actually spend only a small fraction of my day at the message board. I am fortunate in that I am a particularly fast typist, so perhaps I can type in one minute that which may take you one hour to convert into message board material. Either way, considering everyone thinks and types at a different rate, it is quite foolhardy to presuppose such a thing as the amount of time any individual board member spends at the message board. But, AaronR1074, consider this. If I spent my entire day at the message board, what concern is it of yours? Who are you to judge how much time an individual devotes to message board posting?

Indeed, I lead as full and active a life as the next man. I have four children, eleven grandchildren, and one great-grandchild (with many more on the way), and many of them live at my farmhouse. I own seven acres of Somerset farmland with a garden exceeding one acre – that takes up plenty of my time. I enjoy spending as much time at the pub as possible, especially in Bristol. I also have a full-time job.

I don’t NEED to work (I am 68 years old and well past retirement age), but I still derive as much satisfaction from emptying dustbins and tidying the streets and sidewalks of Bristol now as I did when I started out on my career as a dustman in 1955 Grimsby. However, if the UK did have a serious unemployment problem, I would probably make way for a younger person….someone who maybe needs the job more than myself. As it is, the reverse is currently true…there is actually a shortage of trained dustmen in Britain at the moment. Many have been lured overseas by lucrative wage-deals……to Cambodia for instance.

I consider myself fortunate in that I only need three or four hours sleep every twenty four hours. It really is amazing how much more you can do in the course of a day when only a little of it is turned over to sleep. When I was younger I needed the usual six or seven hours….these days I really feel as though I’m getting the most out of life……we all should make the most of our time on this planet doing the things we LIKE to do…..

After all, you only live once….and when your time is up….that’s it for ALL TIME.

AaronR1074. Perhaps, in future, you will learn to keep your prejudices to yourself – I did not need to explain the amount of time I spend at the message board, but I hope it illustrates to you that other people have lives too – lives that may be as full and as satisfying as your own.

4) You then proceed to accuse me of attempting to be a smart-ass because of the ‘condescending’ manner in which I express myself at the message board. You then state that I take message board discussion too seriously, and that people, such as yourself, visit the message board to engage in fun conversation about topics that are of interest to them.

Well, AaronR1074, all of this reeks of sour grapes.

Your reasons for visiting the message board are wholly valid, as are anyone else’s – but your prejudicial attitude that everyone else should conform to the same standards as yourself is totally invalid and extremely childish, to say nothing of being petulant.

Let me explain AaronR1074. I come to this message board to ‘tell it as I see it’ and to learn from others. I don’t come to the board with the intention of insulting other board members, or to ‘upset the applecart’ or to attempt to crack jokes, or to engage in ‘fun’ conversation. I just come to the message board, and my reasons are my own, and those reasons are evidently considerably different from your own.

You see, your idea of fun conversation is ‘when you feel like it’. You come out with a ‘fun’ jest about my use of bastardize, and expect everyone else to be in synch with your intentions. Life ain’t like that, AaronR1074. You made an attempt, for whatever reason, to undermine my posting by questioning my use of the word bastardization, without first preparing for the consequences – ie my further response. If I wasn’t sure you were joking, then it is perfectly reasonable to assume that other board members may not have been aware that you were jesting also. My perfectly reasonable correction of your error quickly exposed your obvious sensitivity, and your reaction has the substance of the embarrassing tantrum of a four year old child.

Perhaps, in future, you will enter message board discussion with an open mind, and make some attempt to empathize with fellow board members.

5) You then remark that it was your hope that your picking up of my assumed misuse of the word bastardization was giving me a ‘taste of my own medicine’. This is utterly absurd. I have never gone about correcting other people’s grammatical errors like some Sunday School teacher, and I have never entered message board discussion with the intention of ‘picking a fight’. And, if I did seek to point out other peoples’ so-called misuse of the English language, I would at least pick on something that was genuinely wrong. You were quite wrong, for every reason, to pick me up on the use of the word bastardization, for as I have explained, my use of the word was quite proper and appropriate. In any case, I make plenty of spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors without you inventing them!

6 Why do you assume that I think you’re an idiot? I don’t think you’re an idiot at all, and I would not attempt to characterize you as such. Again, you are jumping to conclusions. Okay, so I think you were wrong to attempt to pick me up on my perceived misuse of the word bastardization, but that doesn’t make me think of you as an idiot.

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Originally posted by Dave:
I think Andre likes to push buttons....and that he laughs like a madman everytime someone gets peeved at his Zimmer remarks.

I bet he loves Zimmer. But he likes to mess with others heads more!

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My compliments to you, Dave.
In fact everything you said is right, except that I really despise Zimmer's noise.

And yes, I laugh desperately everytime I see a freak of nature like DANIEL2 losing his life time writing all these ludicrous rhetoric. Who is he really trying to convince? Himself, for sure...

I mean, you can't take someone who considers Hamzimmer better than Alex North and Ennio Morricone serious.

Plus, he picks his nose!!

I’m glad now that you consider Hans Zimmer to be the ‘Michael Jackson of film music’ – praise indeed.

I would now be interested in hearing how you describe another of today’s supremely gifted film composers – Danny Elfman – the Beethoven of film music, perhaps?

Danny Elfman?
Hummm... I don't know.

Milli-Vanilli of film music?

Yes, probably...

So, tell us, "Cuningnham" you really think Michael Jackson, the child-eater, to be that good? I mean, is he as good as Hamzimmer or even better? Can he be called the Mozart of the modern times?

He admits on his profile to being crazy...what good can come of us being snared by his web of madness?

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Originally posted by Quill:
Andre might like to push buttons and be a smartass 99% of the time, but some of us have serious opinions vested in these topics that he makes light of.

I for one, am still waiting for an explanation as to why he does not like Zimmer. Just for the sake of curiosity, not that I will lose any sleep over it.

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Feels good to know I am so important to some people. My fan club grows everyday!

As for the explanation of why I despise Zimmer and his army of clones... Well, I've said it before but you people didn't listened.
Called me "snob" and what I wrote "rhetoric".

So, for you simple minded obtuse folks, "Hamzimmer sucks" will do.

That’s fair enough…nobody can force you to explain your reasons for disliking a composer’s work. And, your opinion is no less valid than anyone else’s because of that. Indeed, you say that you have explained your reasons for disliking Zimmer’s work in the past. I didn’t realize this (must have been ensconced elsewhere at the time), and if the reaction was as adverse as you claim, I don’t really blame you for not elucidating further.

So far you've stated:
1. Zimmer's work is noise.
2. The world sucks because he is popular.

Anyway, this conversation was DOA, I look forward to arguing some other topic with you in the future.

Poop face.

The most exposed score?

Star Wars.

You said, “It semes tat Danel3 dseo tno lke my tpyose. I'm a wtire, ton an edtiro. So THERE
Poop face. “

I look forward to the debates over Zimmer's score for Hannable(SP?)!! Which I am going to guess will be very heated as well!

Oh well...I think I am done reading the posts on this topic...I've had enough!

dave

Dear Quill, I posted other people's reviews concerning that subject just because english is not my mother language and I don't feel I can express myself very clearly on such deep analysis.

But since you are so worried about MY PERSONAL toughts about Zimmir and the GLADIATOR crap, please read a review I wrote for my local newspaper. I hope your portuguese is all right. If it's not, ask for someone to translate it for you, ok?

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GLADIADOR
VIDEO CLIP INSUPORTÁVEL
By André Lux

Parece inacreditável, mas GLADIADOR foi dirigido por Ridley Scott, o mesmo cineasta que brindou o mundo com jóias como ALIEN e BLADE RUNNER. Entretanto, é bom lembrar que ele também foi responsável por aquela bomba intragável, NO LIMITE DA HONRA (GI JANE), com a mulher da plástico Demi Moore. Devia estar precisando de grana quando aceitou fazer esse dois últimos filmes.
GLADIADOR é sem dúvida um dos piores filmes já feitos. Não funciona como filme de ação (Scott não sabe filmar cenas de luta, tornado tudo confuso e obscuro, como já haviamos comprovado em A LENDA), nem como filme de época, já que tudo é tão pasteurizado (filmar Roma com filtros azuis?) e pré-fabricado que parece mais video-clipe da MTV ou cenário de video-game.

A história então é aquela água: general "honrado" (leia-se "politicamente correto") é traído pelo filho do César, tem sua família massacrada e vive com sede de vingança, até virar gladiador. Você já viu isso (e melhor) em BEN-HUR, SPARTACUS, CORAÇÃO VALENTE, CONAN, O BÁRBARO e tantos outros. E qualquer pessoa com o mínino conhecimento de história vai morrer de rir com a visão Hollywoodiana de Roma - "Tragam a justiça e a democracia de volta á Roma", brada Maximus em uma das cenas mais constrangedoras do filme. Não seria nada estranho se fosse revelado que GLADIADOR foi financiado pelo partido Republicano, na época às voltas com o lançamento da candidatura do Bush Júnior.

Para piorar tudo temos a trilha sonora de Hans Zimmer, um pastiche horrível de OS PLANETAS, de Holszt, misturadas com guitarras espanholas (??), vocalizações new age e temas heróicos bombásticos (que serviriam para um RAMBO da vida, não para um personagem cuja motivação é o ódio e a sede de sangue). Na tela você vê um romano furibundo retalhando seus desafetos em vingança, mas na trilha você ouve Steven Seagal metralhando comunistas em arrobos patrióticos. Só faltou a bandeira americana tremulando.

Resumindo: uma bomba insuportável que só a Hollywood dos dias de hoje é capaz de produzir (e ainda faturar uma nota preta em cima).

Cotação: *

André Lux

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Enjoy!!

I'm sure your review was insightful...however from what I've read in your posts before I think your english is fine...if not better than a healthy portion of the citizens of the US. You should stop using that as an excuse, besides you're perfectly comfortable berating and making light of composers on this board...I'm sure your thoughts would be perfectly clear.

By the way...your reference to George W. Bush was quite weak...keep politics out of movie music please...its our only bastion of hope!!

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Originally posted by Quill:
By the way...your reference to George W. Bush was quite weak...keep politics out of movie music please...its our only bastion of hope!!

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I would love to keep politics away from movies. Unfortunately politics are in everything, including movies.

Be good!

Thanks Quill.