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Topic: Red Planet vs. Mission to Mars - Morricone vs. Revell

meegle
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Just saw the film Red Planet and the score (which I'd not heard b4) was pretty piss-poor in my opinion. There were moments...MOMENTS where the music "worked". The other 99.9999% of the time I felt like I was listening to Batman Beyond's crappy Rock stuff. And is it just me or did I hear STRANGE DAYS twice during the "intimate" scenes???? Come on Mr. Revell, there's only ONE Horner!!!Let me just say that honestly it doesn't take alot for me to dislike a score. IF that were merely the case I would NOT have posted anything here about it. I simply disliked the score because I thought it was distracting throughout. At times that needed an orchestra we were given riffs with guitars and drum beats.
IMO it should have just been rejected or used better alternate cues if they existed.
Now Mission to Mars's score I remember was distracting to me as well. I know people who dont pay attention to scores and told me that MtoM's music was odd and seemed out of place. I kinda liked it. I know I liked it better than Red Planet's music.
My ratings for both the films and the scores...
Mission to Mars film - 3 out of 10
Mission to Mars score - 7 out of 10Red Planet film - 6 out of 10
Red Planet score - 2 out of 10posted 11-10-2000 09:34 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Red Planet (score) for me, I like a hella lot better then Misison to Mars (score). As to the movies, I've only seen "Misison to Mars" RP is on my list, but I need to see "Bagger Vance" first
--Kyp
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HORNER RULES, I LOVE HIS MUSIC
[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 11-10-2000]
posted 11-10-2000 09:40 PM PT (US) 
meegle
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The film or the music Crono???
posted 11-10-2000 09:42 PM PT (US) 
TimT

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Um..... Red Planet has the better score, Mission to Mars is the better movie.
posted 11-10-2000 09:44 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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I feel the opposite way, TimT.
I thought Red Planet was a good old fashioned, thought-provoking sci-fi film at its heart.Mission to Mars was just plain bad, and it's attempts at depth and philosophical profundity are lame.
Red Planet asked a few questions about faith and God, and spoke to the human need to learn and grow. Boy, I thought the landscapes were also stunning.not that it was much more profound than M2M, but that's what I took from it.
NP -- Dolores Claiborne, Elfman promoposted 11-10-2000 11:01 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Revell versus Morricone? No competition there, I'm afraid. Ennio's the victor in my opinion.Whereas Ennio constructs much better themes, Revell writes more entertaining (and more tolerable) suspense/action music than Morricone. Of course, Revell is a more recent and contemporary composer. Therefore he has more of an ear for modern synth/techno- so it isn't really a fair comparison.
posted 11-11-2000 09:58 AM PT (US) 
wistiti

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I agree with you meegle.From the first notes Revell's music was completely distracting. It was yelling "LISTEN TO ME, LISTEN TO ME, I'M THE SCORE, PAY ATTENTION, DON'T WATCH THE MOVIE".
I thing that there was more than 80 minutes of score but that were just about 10 or so that really fit the movie. The rest was completely out of place.
As for the score apart from the movie, I would not buy it even if there was a full score release at a really low price. It was not worth it and it was Revell at his lowest point in years.
I was really looking forward to this movie and Revell's work. But I have to say that sadly I was slightly disappointed with the movie, but very disappointed with the score.
There were only a few moments during Mission to Mars where I was distracted by Morricone, and it was mainly towards the end, and mostly because the sound was too loud in the theatre.
I'm not sure which movie was better, I think they were just about equal, but Mission to Mars is without a doubt the better music.
[Message edited by wistiti on 11-11-2000]
posted 11-11-2000 02:31 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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the Revell music for Red Planet far outshines that which appears in the film.
strange but true.posted 11-11-2000 03:04 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Saw Red Planet last night...must say that it was a much more enjoyable 2 hours than the pretentious melodrama of Mission to Mars.And although Revell's score was either understated or over the top...I must say that its better than "organs in space."
Morricone far outshines Revell..but his style is not suited for a sci-fi picture, albeit one that is human and emotionally grounded.
Overall...Red Planet was a much more gratifying experience.
posted 11-11-2000 04:26 PM PT (US) 
Racerprose

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Mission To Mars is such a great score. The cue "Where?" is worth every penny. (****)-Racerprose
posted 11-11-2000 06:25 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I was looking forward to Revell’s score as many had posted about a full chorus
and orchestra, opera sounds, etc. I was sorely disappointed by its use in the movie.
Maybe it is a good stand alone if it contains more music. What I heard
was “melodyLESS, motifLESS,” droning. Wallpaper music backed up by a
choir. I preferred his Pitch Black score which was at least more rhythmically
interesting and more suited to the visuals.I thought the movie was mediocre, overall. Interesting photography and premise,
but it lacked authentic suspense. While M2M was flawed, I at least
cared for the characters. I didn’t attach myself to anyone except the savvy, cool
lady captain in Red Planet. Morricone’s score is one I listen to often. It didn’t
fit in a few places, but overall, it was effective and one of the year’s best IMO.NP Duel In the Sun
posted 11-11-2000 07:35 PM PT (US) 
wistiti

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I want Pitch Black. Why not CD available? why? why? why?
I want Pitch Black.

(Look at me, I'm crying like a Star Wars fan thinking about the Sony release.
)NP: Ever After (George Fenton) 5/5
posted 11-12-2000 12:25 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
THERE'S NO COMPARISON. MORRICONE IS AN ARTIST, REVELL HAS TURNED INTO A MIDI DRONE! - SPQRI couldn't agree more.
posted 11-12-2000 06:07 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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While I couldn't agree more that Morricone is by far the better artist and film composer...we must remember that their first and most critical function is to craft a score that integrates well and enhances the movie. And while Revell's score can be obnoxious at times...it is more fitting than Morricone's rather strange organ music.Mission to Mars is a better listen on CD...but that should always be secondary to how it functions in the film.
Slam away....
posted 11-13-2000 07:34 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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I love the organ music. It's not only quite effective but also highly original.Only a true artist like Morricone is able to skip the obvious cliché suspense music that less skilled composers would have used on that scene.
I also love the sarcastic way Morricone scored the scene where the astronauts raise the USA flag from the ground...
MISSION TO MARS
Movie: ***
Score: *****[Message edited by André Lux on 11-13-2000]
posted 11-13-2000 08:57 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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Original...yes. Effective...not so sure. Combined with the horrid editing all of the scenes in space felt slow and labored.I'm all for original film music...but not at the expense of the film. The music was one of the many factors that ruined the film for me.
posted 11-13-2000 04:10 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Interesting.
To me, the best parts of M2M are the scenes is space, particulary the Woody's sacrifice.The music was so incredible effective and touching. In fact it just carried the movie on its back.
Without Morricone's outstanding score, M2M would be just another laughable space opera filled with banal and cliché dialogues and cheesy resolutions...
Thanks Ennio!

posted 11-13-2000 06:41 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Andre...
Well stated. As we both believe firmly in our opinions on this matter I will say this: It is another magical quality of film music to so deeply effect people and their impressions of the film in such different ways.
As it stands, I still feel the Ennio is a master composer and I eagerly await his next project. Thanks for the insights.Quill
posted 11-14-2000 09:13 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Indeed!Nice talking to you.
posted 11-14-2000 09:38 AM PT (US) 
robin4

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Sorry, but I had to ring into this one. Although I have yet to see Red Planet, I know that no matter what it will be better than the piece of trash Mission to Mars. And to think, the score was even worse than the movie! Nothing irritated me more than an aweful organ throwing out random notes while the picture was trying to be intense. Sorry, it just didn't work for me, at all!By the way, yes, where is Pitch Black???????!!!!!!!
And while we are at it, Shaft!!!!!????????!!!!!!
posted 11-15-2000 03:37 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Funny. There's tons of beautiful music in Mission to Mars. The finale is graced with a gorgeous theme... yet many people just can't get over those few minutes of "awful organ music." By the way, it wasn't throwing out random notes either. You can at least give Morricone that.
posted 11-15-2000 06:26 PM PT (US) 
DjC

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Red Planet must be a horrid piece of filth if it is worse than Mission to Mars, the worst film in years which happens to have the worst score in years...hell, the Blair Witch Project score worked better than Mission to Mars, and all the BWP score had was deep long stretched notes. I still am amazed that human beings can like junky films with insipid scores such as Mission to Mars, but hey, some folks dig US MARSHALS and GODZILLA for some reason.
posted 11-15-2000 06:30 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Hehehehe... how amusing these kids can get!
BTW, Graeme Revell's name is all around, but never heard any of his scores that could deserve any attention, except maybe THE SAINT. It is always the usual drone drum machine marchs (cloned from Zimmer and cia) mixed with some out of place ethnic instruments and voice...
I saw PITCH BLACK a few months ago. A bizarre and somehow inventive B-movie, with some memorable scenes and plot twists.
But the score didn't help the movie in any way.
In fact, it detracts the movie, particulary the ridiculous "heroic theme" which Ravell insisted in attaching to the main character of the movie - a vicious criminal!Thumbs down to this guy.

posted 11-16-2000 01:58 PM PT (US) 
DjC

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I know, those kids have taste...they dislike horrible film scores that do not fit with the film...
posted 11-19-2000 04:40 PM PT (US) 
DjC

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and come on people, just because someone is an artist, everything they do is amazing and original? I would disagree 400,000%. This is an old debate, just because a composer makes a score, it does not make it an artistic wonder...if it stinks with the film, than it is a and bad score that failed its purpose...I.E. Red planet and Mission to mars.
posted 11-19-2000 04:42 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
Originally posted by DjC:
and come on people, just because someone is an artist, everything they do is amazing and original?In one word: yes!
But what else is news...

N.P.: MISSION TO MARS (Ennio, the artist) *****
posted 11-19-2000 04:51 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Come on Andre...now you're just being stubborn...give in to the dark side...you know you want to!
posted 11-20-2000 08:00 AM PT (US) 
meegle
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"Your overconfidence is your weakness."
posted 11-20-2000 08:14 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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Well Quill I like to be stubborn, don't worry...
"Never be rude to an arab"

posted 11-20-2000 08:35 AM PT (US) 
DjC

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Andre, are you one of those people who would buy a $300,000 painting that looks as if a drunken hobo splurged his lunch on a canvas, just because it has a supposed famous name on it?Also, maybe the score by itself is okay, but with the film it failed, horribly,in a burning heap, hence why it is one of the worst scores in years...
If M2M had a different score, perhaps it could have been a decent try at a film, but I say the score made the film that much more cheasy, lame, and annoying...taste, is a different thing for everyone, but I tend towards scores that WORKED in a film.
[Message edited by DjC on 11-21-2000]
posted 11-21-2000 01:14 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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quote:
Originally posted by DjC:
Also, maybe the score by itself is okay, but with the film it failed, horribly,in a burning heap, hence why it is one of the worst scores in years...You know DJc, you forgot to add IN MY (NOT SO) HUMBLE OPINION at the end of your last angry message.
BTW, I don't have 300,000 bucks to spend on that canvas, but if I had I would surely do!

Take care now, lad!
posted 11-21-2000 06:13 PM PT (US) 
DjC

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I am happy actually, not mad, I just chose to use accurate descriptive vocabulary, that is all...IN MOST of people's opinions by the way, M2M failed in every way, but that is a different story now isn't it. Also, lad? Come on now. Ye olde bugger eh?
posted 11-21-2000 08:33 PM PT (US) 
DjC

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I used to love moviemusic.com, but all of you people have become tooooooo sensitive, and damn annoying. When horrid scores are treasured as masterpieces, the overall feel of the site comes down since supposed know-it-alls(score wise) like such vomit. I guess I will stick to film directing instead, not so many sensitive yuppies there, and heck, I will score my own films, easier that way for me, adios and carry on old yuppies.
posted 11-21-2000 08:37 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Not so many serious yuppies in film directing?? Jeez, what line of work are you looking to get into? PORNOS? I always thought directors NEEDED to be sensitive and have passion.By the way, MOST of the people's opinions about Mission to Mars do not matter to me. But a lot of people's opinions seem to matter to you, because it looks like one of the main reasons you are leaving this board.
It's always over opinions...
posted 11-21-2000 09:47 PM PT (US) 
DjC

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Al...I agree with you...and that is not why I am leaving...but anyhow,did I say the film community was better than the score community? Nope, theren are yuppies everywhere...so I did not mean what you said hence why I did not say it, g-bye
posted 11-22-2000 09:19 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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He just can't stand someone disagreeing with his mindless opinions, Al.
This makes DjC quite mad and anxious to prove himself worthy.Well, remember we all were teenagers one day...

N.P.: MISSION TO MARS (Morricone) *****
posted 11-22-2000 09:22 AM PT (US) 
Quill
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Are you listening to MTM just to spite me!!I hope you're not implying that because DjC and I agree on this issue that my opinion is mindless too...
posted 11-22-2000 09:32 AM PT (US) 
odinatheforestcat

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I thought that Mission to Mars was a better score. I *LIKED* the organ music... Many people think that organs can only be used to sound "gothic," but I think Morricone proved that it can be used in many other different ways than is usually associated with it.
posted 06-17-2004 06:05 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Thanks for digging up this thead from the dark days!! (Where has Andre gone I wonder....)I have a question for the folks out there...the finale of Red Planet (featuring the planet escape and rescue) features one of the most powerful cues of music I have heard......of course its not on the wretched score/song release. Is it available anywhere and did Revell write it.
While my opinion on the overall scores of these films has changed over the years (I have found some things to like it MtM)...Red Planet stands out as a much more enjoyable film to watch.
Zak
posted 06-18-2004 08:26 AM PT (US) 
odinatheforestcat

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I agree that the film may be better, but the score to Mission to Mars is a better score.
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