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    Topic:   The Grinch Who Stole Christmas: James Horner scores a winner!

     Jeron
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    While Horner is best known for massive recycling these days, I've always enjoyed his music regardless. Of course, you can resort to the old "that's just Jeron being Mr. Positive" retort (ahem...Shaun!)... And say that if you want!, but please, by all means humor me and continue reading. This time Horner's musical canvas is a bit different. While the majority of the score maintains the oh-so-familiar Horner "feel," it also puts on display Horner's phenomenal ability to develop a charming melody. He has created a great "Christmasy" score with some very good, original and sometimes heartwarming moments. Unfortunately, one of the tracks (18. Stealing Christmas) is plagued with an entire scene of dialog from the film. After listening to it a few times, it's grown on me... the message is touching. BUT, I'm sure I would have gotten that message when I saw the film. So the inclusion of this isn't justified - and gosh darn it, I wish it wasn't there. But alas, what can one do?

    The score is bookended with some very impressive "Whoville" songs. These songs blend seamlessly with the score, and I commend Mr. Horner for giving them his all. They are very Dr. Seuss appropriate (a tribute, if you will). The best of them (in my opinion) is the finale (23. He Carves The Roast Beast). Track 17, "Christmas, Why Can't I Find You," is a Horner/Jennings song sung by the child actress in the film, Taylor Momsen. If you couldn't stand John Williams' "When You're Alone" from Hook, this one will be hard to sit through. She oversings the part (in my opinion).

    For those of you confused about this release, all of the music Horner composed for the film is located at the end of the cd (the last 9 tracks). These tracks total up to a little over 40 minutes of music. Not bad...

    All in all, I'm happy with my purchase. Out of the 10 "inspired by" songs that appear BEFORE the score actually kicks in, there are 2-3 semi-decent songs (Ben Folds, Smash Mouth, and the traditional "You're a Mean One..." sung by Mr. Carrey himself). As a whole I could have done without them (go figure). As for the score, it stands out as a good, solid effort on Horner's part, and I think the majority of Horner's fans will be very pleased. Those who are sick of Horner's recycling methods should give this one a chance. While Horner's "style" has been his "style" since the very beginning of his career (and yes, it's apparent in this score) - you will not find any Appalachian Springs/Bobby Fischer/Deep Impact/Bicentennial Man/Perfect Storm recaps. If I had to put my finger on one score that is similar (just a tad), it would be "Casper." And that's certainly not a bad one to be recycling.

    [Message edited by Jeron on 11-09-2000]

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    posted 11-09-2000 12:28 AM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    From what I've heard, the score is great and I totally agree with what Jeron is saying.

    A perfect christmas score.

    GO Horner!

    --Kyppy
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    posted 11-09-2000 09:18 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    Thanks Jeron...

    I've been perusing this forum's comments and discussions for a couple months now, and I've found this board to be the most engaging and informative source of movie music info out there. Ok...enough brown-nosing...

    I was getting Apollo13 hotflashes there for a minute...I must admit the I'm a mindless Horner drone...I hope I didn't just ruin my reputation on the first post.

    Thanks for the input...btw: is the dialogue annoying?

    NP: Stuck at work...but I distantly here Plunkette & McLean in the back of my mind.

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    posted 11-09-2000 04:58 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Quill! Welcome aboard, man! I'm glad my report on "The Grinch" inspired you to post. Regarding the dialogue? It's... unnecessary, as I mentioned above. I enjoy listening to it for sentimental reasons, but in the end I find myself wishing they hadn't included it.

    Hope to hear from you more!

    Jeron

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    posted 11-09-2000 05:33 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Jeron, if you'd please retitle your thread

    "James Horner scores a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham"

    OR

    "James Horner scores a total sacrilege"

    I will gladly respond with messages of hate.

    Shaun

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    posted 11-09-2000 06:49 PM PT (US)     

     wistiti
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    If for nothing else, I won't buy this soundtrack only to protest the crappy songs useless dialogs and all the rest.

    I want my full score release.
    If you do a job, you should do it right.

    Interscope didn't.
    I won't support half measures and incompetence.

    Apollo 13 and all CDs like it make me sick.

    Sorry James, maybe next time.

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    posted 11-09-2000 07:42 PM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    I will do my best to stay out of these Horner prize fights--but heh, as long the music makes a good listen, and works in a film--does it really matter if its recycled...hope I don't get bludgeoned for that one!

    In addition, my only real problem with Apollo13 was how the dialogue was blended/faded into the score. As long as they are isolated tracks on this release, I'll be appeased.


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    posted 11-09-2000 10:41 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Quill, there are isolated dialogue tracks throughout the pop stuff, and then one score track mixed with dialogue. "Stealing Christmas," track 18.

    Please take my word when I say that "The Grinch" has provided us with a new, refreshing score from James Horner. Not recycled. A believe me, I can't believe I'm typing that! JJ and I both agreed that this will provide him with NEW material to rip and use in future scores! Woohoo!

    Jeron

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    posted 11-09-2000 11:38 PM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    Welcome Quill! Great to see a new face

    This is a great score as I said earlier, now that I've heard about 22 min of it (some little bird sent me a big suite) its the perfect christmas score!

    --Kyppy
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    NP: The Grinch! Suite (****)

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    posted 11-10-2000 12:00 AM PT (US)     

     Richard
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    James Horner AND Ben Folds on the one disc?

    Oh, MY god!!!!!!!

    I can't wait for this one!

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    posted 11-10-2000 03:03 AM PT (US)     

     CF8
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    ...and the 71 min score-only promo is even better!

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    posted 11-10-2000 05:47 AM PT (US)     

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    Does the promo have the songs and the voice-overs?

    BobaMike

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    posted 11-10-2000 08:10 AM PT (US)     

     CF8
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    nope, no voiceover (or otherwise) dialogue, just 4 short songs (the one by Carry, one by the child actress and a short song at the beginning and the end of the score).....
    unfortunately there is no tracklist for the 25 tracks!

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    posted 11-10-2000 11:26 AM PT (US)     

     Hasta
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    Well, I picked up the score, and have listened to it about 5 times. Overall, definately a mixed bag. There is no way in hell I will ever listen to all those songs, and I don't know why a full score-only release could have done the job. The score itself is, well, different. It does remind me alot of Elfman scores, mainly Batman and Beetlejuice in parts. Horner really has some awesome dramatic music here, but there just isn't very much of it. The dialog? GOOD GOD, it's terrible. It really ruins any constant stream of score, and while it's only in one of the score tracks, it's quite annoying, as I really like "Stealing Christmas", in which dialog runs like 2 minutes of something. Another annoying thing is the whoville songs or whatever you call the little munshkins. There are farting sounds and stuff in the first score track, and I am embaressed when my family or friends hears it, because it just isn't very good. The score is fun, and I'm already listening to it over and over, quite enjoyable. I'd say so far it'd be about a ****/***** if it didn't have these problems, but the problems are just too big. So many songs, alot of dialog and like 2 score tracks singing whoville songs kills it. Right now I say ***/*****, but still, if you are a Horner fan, you won't be dissapointed with the music found here.

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    posted 11-10-2000 12:32 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    Hmmm...I don't know sounds like typical Horner recycled to me. Casper, Honey I Shrunk the Kids etc. I dunno I'm kinda disappointed. The Grinch is my favorite Christmas cartoon. I was hoping the score would be a little better. Horner can't write Christmas music. Carrey ruins the Grinch song. I do like Anthony Hopkins narration though. I think Williams or Goldsmith could have captured the mood better. Luckily I also picked up Rhino's version of the original Grinch with Horton Hears a Who. It has the complete story narrated by Boris Karloff, with Sound effects and Eugene Poddany's wonderful score. The booklet has an interview with Chuck Jones. He talks about cutting the animation and the music for correct timing, transfering a book to a 20 min cartoon and some other things. Horton is also presented that way as well. Unfortunately the CD case is in the Jaws expanded/CE3K mode. The booklet is stuck to the case like CE3K and the packaging is like the Jaws expanded. I don't know how the movie will play out but I would recommend getting the original Grinch CD to Horner's.

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    posted 11-10-2000 11:23 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    On that note, I agree w/ Mark on the Williams/Goldsmith suggestion. I think we'd have ended up with something much more along the lines of something everyone could enjoy.

    Jeron

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    posted 11-11-2000 12:14 AM PT (US)     

     Cenzo
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    Well, I do like the score enought to want the full 72 minute version, I still think that this score is disappointing. I read a couple months ago that James Horner actually went through the trouble to create the instruments that Dr. Seuss made for the books, so I thought that the movie being based on a Dr. Seuss book and having these one-of-a-kind instruments, would have a very fun, unique score. Thought this score is not a rehash, I think it's still "same old, same old", I was hoping for something fresh and new, but it's just the typical formual for a quick mostly generic score. Not that that's really BAD, it's just not as good as it could of been. Oh well....does anyone know where I can get a copy of the expanded version? ^_^
    I'm serious,can you tell me?

    thanks,
    Cenzo

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    posted 11-11-2000 11:17 AM PT (US)     

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    I could tell you where to get it but someone would probably crucify me again. Hint: check my profile.

    BTW, I think the score is quite good, although I did hear some recycling of Aliens and Krull - good stuff to recycle, in my opinion.

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    posted 11-11-2000 01:27 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    After listening to it again with a friend I may have jumped the gun. While the original Grinch is better, (I recommend getting that cd as well) I can see Jeron's point. It's kinda starting to grow on me. I guess I was upset because as soon as I put the cd on I started to hear "Hornerisms". But if you give it a few more listens its not too bad. Hopefully Sony will give us the usual 70 min Horner score, like Intrada did with Lost in Space. If not well I know where to get it.........

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    posted 11-12-2000 10:58 AM PT (US)     

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    the grinch. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i love it. yes jeron....i know...i admit to liking horner. i think he was a good choice for this film - and i actually prefer the thought of horner scoring it as opposed to williams (another home alone score) or goldsmith (i dont think he could have done a very good one for the grinch)
    i wont spend too much time praising horner (it goes against everything i think) so just take this little message and realize how big of a step it is for me....hehe. anyway....just my thoughts.
    np the grinch

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    posted 11-28-2000 06:07 AM PT (US)     

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    What the HELL does Smash Mouth have to do with either Dr. Seuss OR Christmas! It will be a cold day in hell before I support this kind of cinematic blasphemy. The animated special was PERFECT. There was no reason to make this travesty of a film. The studio's ONLY motivation was merchandising. If you don't believe me, look in the adverts in the Sunday paper or flip through the channels or go to ANY STORE! GGRRRRRRRR!!!!!

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    posted 11-28-2000 07:02 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    You're right Lonely Guy...no one should use Dr. Suess for commercialist gains...as for Smash Mouth--I actually like the song, but its the story about as well as the N-ughh-Sync song.

    As for Goldsmith or Williams scoring the movie...I love them both, Williams would have done a fine job, but has Goldsmith scored anything along these lines? I can't recall...anyway, Elfman and Horner would have been my clear choices from the get go.


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    posted 11-28-2000 07:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Hi! I'm new. I'm Brendan. Enough with the introductions...

    I think Goldsmith would have been a horrible choice for the Grinch. The Grinch score needed to have a very cheery and busy Christmas feel as well as experiencing periods of dark moodiness that still didn't take itself too seriously. In my opinion, Goldsmith would not have been able to create any of this. His style is too heavy and one sided.

    Williams on the other hand would have easily been able to do a great job with this film, and not just because he's John Williams. Williams' style of almost "Mickey Mousing" stuff but not too much would have fit the Grinch perfectly...kind of like is great Home Alone christmas stuff.

    But I enjoyed Horner's score very much. Especially the end with the sleigh full of presents and carving the roast beast. Great stuff.

    Elfman would have been okay, but I don't know if he could have created that shimmering "warm fuzzy" kind of Christmas music that the end of the film demanded. His Grinch theme would have been great though...

    -Brendan

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