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    Topic:   Shadows of the Empire... Book, McNeely's Programmatic Score, then the Game...

     Jeron
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    Kyp and I are currently on the phone... in a debate as to what order they all came out.

    I say this:

    1)Book
    2)Score
    3)Game

    Kyp says:

    1)Game
    2)Book
    3)Score

    To me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Steve Perry wrote this great book from a video game which hardly does it justice. The book came out first, then McNeely's music, based on the book. Then Nintendo and LucasArts released a game loosely based on Perry's story, conveniently using snippets of McNeely's score throughout. I'm pretty sure I'm right about this... Though (of course) Kyp thinks he's dead on the money. Both of us can't be right. Anyone wanna clear this up? Like I said... I'm pretty sure I've got my facts straight.

    Jeron

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    posted 10-31-2000 03:49 PM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    You would. But It's all in good fun.

    --Kyppy
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    [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 10-31-2000]

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    posted 10-31-2000 03:51 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Yeah and I still wanna know who's right and who's wrong. hehe

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    posted 10-31-2000 03:55 PM PT (US)     

     SEBULBA
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    Well, I don't know for sure myself, but I tend to remember it as Jeron does. But again, I can't be positive.

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    posted 10-31-2000 05:39 PM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    Jeron is right. It was the book, the score and then the game! I remember seeing the book and then the score so I asked if the score was based on the book and the guy behind the counter had no clue. He then went on to say a game would be coming out soon so it may be for that.

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    posted 10-31-2000 06:03 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    {flips a coin...lands on it's side..}

    well, apparently no one is right.

    it's game
    score
    book


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    posted 10-31-2000 06:44 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    And I still find it strange that the "score" is marketed as a film score. "Tone poem" would be much more correct.

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    posted 10-31-2000 06:49 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    First came Adam & Eve.

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    posted 10-31-2000 08:36 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Shaun? Thanks for that tip there buddy. And Marian, I think you're right on the dot.

    [Message edited by Jeron on 10-31-2000]

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    posted 10-31-2000 09:08 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    Actually, they were probably all done at the same time. I was working for a distributor and we listed them in the same month along with a buttload of other SOTE merchandise. This was part of a Star Wars marketing blitz!

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    posted 10-31-2000 09:13 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron Collins
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    Well, everyone seems to always leave out the made-for-TV movie, Shadows of the Empire.

    And lets not forget the prequel: "The Empire is hidden in Shadows"

    The correct order is:

    *Prequel
    *TV movie
    *Book
    *Score
    *and game


    I hope my info helps!

    Aaron


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    posted 10-31-2000 11:36 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    Aaron, I could find no listing for a TV movie or a prequel on IMDB. Did you actually see the TV movie?

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    posted 11-01-2000 09:54 AM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    HAHAHA. Ruger, come on man. Aaron is pulling your leg. That post is drenched in sarcasm. I guess it's hard to know unless you really know Aaron Collins and the way his mind works (I'm only semi-knowledgeable). That's my buddy.

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    posted 11-01-2000 02:01 PM PT (US)     

     Cole
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    aaron is not exactly right....he forgot about the ewok adventure movire

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    posted 11-02-2000 10:01 AM PT (US)     

     Aaron Collins
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    Ya, sorry Ruger. I was just being sarcastic and thought what a goofy post this was.

    Jeron, how does my mind work? I would like to know buddy.

    Thanks,
    Aaron

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    posted 11-02-2000 12:11 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    I told you, I'm only semi-knowledgable. If you hadn't stopped going to your appointments at that research facility (forgot the name of it), perhaps we'd have more information.

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    posted 11-02-2000 01:16 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Oh... and I was thinking Marian. Technically, can we really call it a tone poem? I thought a symphonic poem and a tone poem were both one movement pieces. McNeely refers to his composition as being a multi-movement work.

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    posted 11-02-2000 01:18 PM PT (US)     

     Racerprose
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    I should know this....

    Game
    Score
    Book
    Then Series of books afterwards.

    -Racerprose

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    posted 11-02-2000 03:00 PM PT (US)     

     sean
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    nope, it's -

    book
    score
    game

    The book was written, John Williams was asked to score (but couldn't cause of scheduling problems) and he recommended Joe McNeely. So, McNeely scored it and Williams was unhappy with it (I wouldn't blame him!). And so then, a game was made....you may also notice that the game uses music from McNeely's as well as Williams' score for Empire Strikes Back.... again - book, score, game :P

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    posted 11-02-2000 03:29 PM PT (US)     

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    Sorry, but you are incorrect. To begin a score you HAVE to have a project/idea (i.e Shadows of the Empire). LucasArts wanted to make a Star Wars game that involved 3D graphics (because back when the game came out 3D graphics were IN). Then during the game development it was decided that Joel McNeely score the game because Williams did not want to. Then afterwards the game was so popular a book was written about it.

    And thats the story....

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    posted 11-02-2000 03:46 PM PT (US)     

     AaronR1074
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    I seem to recall this:

    The Phantom Menace
    A New Hope
    The Empire Strikes Back
    Shadows of the Empire
    Return of the Jedi
    Heir to the Empire
    Dark Force Rising
    The Last Command
    Truce at Bakura
    Courtship of Princess Leia
    The Crystal Star
    Children of the Jedi
    Darksaber <========Best book of the series!!!

    After the Shadows novel was released, both the game, score, and comic books were released simultaneously. The famous Kenner figures were released afterwards.

    PS: I ended the novels at Darksaber because the whole thing went downhill from there. Plus I hated the paperbacks.

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    posted 11-02-2000 05:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Why doesen't some contact LucasArts directly? Then it will end this dispute.

    -Racerprose

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    posted 11-02-2000 05:46 PM PT (US)     

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    AaronR1074, you might want to read Zahn's two "sequels" to the Thrawn trilogy, "Spectre of the Past" and "Vision of the Future." They both provide a fitting end to Bantam's Star Wars series. The X-Wing novels by Aaron Allston & Michael Stackpole are also very entertaining, especially if you are a computer gamer and have played the X-Wing flight sims from LucasArts.

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    posted 11-02-2000 05:57 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm sure it was this:

    Book, Score and Game simultaneously.

    There was a big thing about how good the book was and it turned out to be so popular the game and score was released at the same time, followed by the action figures and comics!

    Well, that's how it was here in Australia, so I imagine it would have been the same anywhere else.

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    posted 11-02-2000 06:00 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Jeron, I always thought "symphonic poem" and "tone poem" (I suppose both are different names for the same thing) don't have a strict musical structure? I believe Smetana's Ma Vlast is a tone poem, yet it has 6 movements (not only the famous The Moldau (is it "Moldau" in English?))

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    posted 11-03-2000 03:29 AM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Hmm... yeah. I'll find out, Marian.

    And Racerprose, I distinctively remember buying the score and book BEFORE the game was released. Then Nintendo and LucasArts announced the game - and I was ecstatic! If you'll read in the liner notes of the score, nowhere does Robert Townson mention the game. He says that the music was written for the book.

    Jeron

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    posted 11-03-2000 08:29 AM PT (US)     

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    Charben,
    I'll definately consider that, since I loved Zahn's first 3...but at the moment I'm trying to polish off the Robert Jordan novels before his new one comes out...plus I've got a new Terry Goodkind hardcover to buy as well.

    Mabye after xmas I'll go back to my Star Wars roots. I was, after all, a proud member of the Star Wars fanclub for a couple years prior to the release of the Special Editions to the theatres

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    posted 11-03-2000 07:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Okay Guys,

    Not that I'm the foremost Star Wars expert in these boards, but I do have every available paperback in the shole series, bought when each came out, but I also was in the stores as each HARD cover was released.

    Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, by Steve Perry, was a huge media blitz (and gamble) by Lucasfilm, Ltd. and Bantam Books.

    The whole concept was to have a new novel come out about DARTH VADER, Luke, Leia and the others, during the original trilogy. If you remember, at this point, every book took place afterward, from 1991 through April 1996, when Shadows was released.

    Steve was given the concept and the freedom to write and invent new characters, provided he didn't change what we knew about Return of the Jedi.

    AT THE SAME TIME, Joel McNeely, in a special licensed agreement with Varese Sarabande, (note that McNeely almost is entirely partial to Varese releases), was given the task of creating new music INSPIRED by the story. In his insert notes, Robert Townsend tells us that the music isn't supposed to be listened to along with reading the book, (thereby proving that it was released at the same time as the book), but as an audio experience of the imagery created by Perry.

    AT THE SAME TIME, the video game was created, then released. I believe it hit both Nintendo and Play Station, though that may need correction from you video game enthusiasts.

    It was a broadband media event, in written form, CD, and video games, designed to hit every entertainment interest out there, with the exception of TV and movies.

    Hope that clears it up. The all came out together.

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    posted 11-10-2000 12:36 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Maestro Sartori:
    AT THE SAME TIME, the video game was created, then released. I believe it hit both Nintendo and Play Station, though that may need correction from you video game enthusiasts.

    It was also release for Windows PCs. I always wanted to have it, but only got the demo version.

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