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    Topic:   Why has nobody mentioned Elmer Bernstein's Guitar Concerto?

     Shaun Rutherford
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    You bastards!

    I got it today and it's WONDERFUL!

    Did anybody know it was even OUT?

    That damned lack of info for us woeful film score folk.....


    Shaun

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    posted 10-25-2000 09:10 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    !!!! I've gotta check this one out... Thanks for the heads up, Shaun.

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    posted 10-25-2000 09:27 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    “You bastards.” Well, not me. I’m completely legitimate!


    Shaun, if you find time between your day job and your dancing gigs,
    (didn’t add wh..who..whor..ing as no son of mine would , you know.. ),
    please elaborate on Bernstein’s concerto for us. One concerto only? How
    long? Small ensemble? Full orchestration behind a guitar? Reminiscent of
    any of his movie themes or sound? Teach us!!

    There, that ought to keep you busy and off the streets.

    NP Goonies (Hey if anyone knows, is the Sloth to the Rescue
    theme an old Zorro theme or an original for Goonies? I’m trying
    to place that theme.)

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    posted 10-26-2000 04:01 PM PT (US)     

     Brad Wills
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    Hey, Joan!!! That theme is from THE ADVENTURES OF DON JUAN by Steiner and grand score it is. Can't wait to hear the Bernstein.

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    posted 10-26-2000 05:15 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    SR--I didn't know about it. What is the label and number on this CD?

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    posted 10-26-2000 07:52 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    "ELMER BERNSTEIN'S GUITAR CONCERTO!"

    There.

    I mentioned it.

    HAPPY?



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    posted 10-26-2000 09:00 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Hey, Brad, thanks. I don’t remember ever seeing that film, but the
    theme was soooooo familiar.

    Hey Shaun-Mr. John Travolta aka Saturday Night Fever wannabe be
    in a G String instead of a white polyester suit-we’re still waiting to
    hear about the music. (The Bernstein music dear, not your hot rocking
    dancing numbers.)

    NP Summon the Heroes.

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    posted 10-26-2000 09:04 PM PT (US)     

     Ford A. Thaxton
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    I did some digging around at the ANGEL RECORDS website and his a link to the page for this CD.
    http://www.angelrecords.com/Detail.asp?UPCCode=724355685926


    Ford

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    posted 10-26-2000 09:13 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Cool, thanks Ford.

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    posted 10-26-2000 09:29 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    I'm not much of a Bernstein expert, so I'm not sure what it sounds like score-wise, but it's music that wouldn't be terribly out of place in a western. It's a full orchestra with the guitar (especially in its tremendous opening selection), incidentally. Mainly strings, but there are moments of bombast that are most welcome. I wish I could describe music in musical terms. Oh hell---just go buy it and if you don't like it, I'll owe you one.

    Shaun

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    posted 10-26-2000 09:59 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Oh, and Shaun... I just saw that this was *just* released. Perhaps that would offer an explanation as to why none of us have mentioned it! Goofball...

    Jeron

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    posted 10-26-2000 11:04 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron Collins
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    This concerto is a real treat and just shows that today's film composers can write fantastic concert music. Elmer Bernstein has written some great concert pieces. The following pieces are quoted from www.elmerbernstein.com.

    -Woodstock Fair, 1946

    -Pennsylvania Overture, 1958

    -Concertino for Ondes and Orchestra, 1983

    -Songs of Love and Loathing, 1990

    -Concerto for Guitar and Orchestra, 1999


    I have heard both his Songs of Love and Loathing and his guitar concerto. Both are really awesome.

    If you can ever get your hands on concert works by film composers, do it! Some of the best music has been written in the concert genre. Here are some examples:

    Now don't expect totally tonal music with these. Some are on the more creative side of music.

    First off, check out this cd of some great concert and chamber stuff:

    **Reel Life: The Private Music of Film Composers Volume 1.

    -Works by: Bob James, Howard Shore, Micheal Kamen, Rachel Portman, Bruce Broughton, and David Raskin.

    These composers all have written some small ensemble pieces and I highly recommend this cd! I believe it is available from Arabesque Records.

    John Williams has written some fantastic concert music.

    -Essay for Strings
    -Symphony #1(which was brought upon by Hermann)
    -Sinfonietta for Wind Ensemble(recording available of the Eastman Wind Ensemble.)
    -America, the Dream goes on
    -All his wonderful Fanfares(Dukakis, for Seiji!, Jubilee 350, etc.)
    -His concertos(Tuba, Violin, Clarinet)
    -Five Sacred Trees(Bassoon Concerto)

    and many many others!

    Another composer of concert works is Elliot Goldenthal. You need to go bye one of his opera's or concert works! Same with Corigliano!

    A composer that really surprised me was Don Davis. Check out his webpage and check out his list of concert commissions. I have only heard a few of these, but they are damn good!

    Thanks,
    Aaron

    NP: Kimberly(BP)

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    posted 10-26-2000 11:42 PM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    Never heard of this; thanks, Shaun, I will check it out. Sounds really like something I will enjoy.

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    posted 10-26-2000 11:42 PM PT (US)     

     Kris Koon
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Aaron Collins:

    John Williams has written some fantastic concert music.

    -Symphony #1(which was brought upon by Hermann)


    I know there's no official, legit recording of Williams's Symphony #1, but is there a boot or other unofficial recording of this work?

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    posted 10-27-2000 12:43 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Shaun, I've been reading for months that this was "due" to be released. So it has been? I believe that Christopher Parkening is the soloist: I'd like to know if he does a lot of heavy breathing on it, like he did on Williams' Stepmom soundtrack. I'm not being flippant: I love Stepmom and the solos are great, but one does hear Parkening's groanings from time to time, or does one not?

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    posted 10-27-2000 01:39 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Graham, Stepmom is a score I love and pay great attention to, though I've never heard on my album what you're describing. Hmmm...

    Jeron

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    posted 10-27-2000 03:52 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Graham,
    You're not crazy, I hear it on Stepmom too. No heavy breathing on the Bernstein disc, just excellent music! Here's the best description I can think for the Bernstein material: it's Elmer writing as if it were the 60s again.

    ?
    Shaun

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    posted 10-27-2000 06:44 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Hmmm... gosh, I'm gonna have to go back in really listen for Mr. Parkening's breathing. Especially now that both of you are claiming it as being evident.

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    posted 10-27-2000 10:38 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Jeron, it's really noticeable. Not so much heavy breathing as groaning and grumbling like Tom Waites along with the music.

    Thanks for backing me up on that, Shaun, otherwise I wouldn't be writing this now!

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    posted 10-28-2000 01:06 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    I have Stepmom and I was wondering what that sound was--I couldn't believe it was what I thought it was!

    As for the Bernstein Guitar Concerto--I ordered it!!

    [Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 10-29-2000]

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    posted 10-28-2000 09:20 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Hatfield
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    I just got this (from the generous and hyperactive Mr. Rutherford - thanks, Shaun! ).

    IT'S WONDERFUL!!!

    Great stuff. Shaun's earlier "review" was accurate: some great moments of bombast, and lush orchestrations throughout. I like this as much as anything Mr. Bernstein has done in the last 15 years or so.....

    If you don't have this yet, you need to get it. Beautiful, beautiful music.


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    posted 11-08-2000 09:11 AM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Shaun why aren't you sending me stuff????

    I just got this in the other day. I didn't know what to expect. The liner notes suggest that Elmer had a hard time composing this, making two earlier attempts he was unhappy with.

    It's a light work, some pleasant melodies with occasional outbursts of driving orchestra. Even though one movement is called reflections and another called celebration, the piece never becomes as deeply personal or as explosively exuberant as those titles suggest. Rather it's lovely and festive [Ugh, I'm beginning to sound like a wine critic]. It's good but not great, nice but not deep.

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    posted 11-08-2000 09:05 PM PT (US)     

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    FROM ELMER BERNSTEIN'S LINER NOTES: "The guitar is an instrument that lives happily in the diatonic world, a world in which I am most comfortable. I have made no attempt to force the instrument into what I would consider to be unnatural harmonic territory and have instead elected to let the guitar sing comfortably and joyously where it feels most natural...The piece is harmonically conservative."

    Which is exactly what I dislike about it. Parkening deserves better than Elmer's fuddy-duddy diatonicism. There's a whole new world of chromatic subtlety out there and Elmer chose to ignore it. The result is musical banality. Don't get me wrong. It succeeds on its own terms and I enjoy it. But like Elmer himself said, the harmonic language is strictly squaresville.

    The first movement is loud and kinetic. And because of the guitar's softness, there's not much simultaneous playing from the guitar and the orchestra. So what you hear is the goofy spectacle of a soft guitar alternating with a bombastic orchestra. There's better interaction in the second & third movements. I like the quiet sinister passage at the very end of the REFLECTIONS movement.

    FROM JOHN DEMMA VAN HAGEN'S REVIEW AT SONICNET: "Elmer Bernstein bombards the listener with thick and distracting orchestration. The first movement, 'Guitar', seems an almost direct quote from a militaristic action flick, complete with an overzealous battery of percussionists and low strings. This over-orchestration leaves the brilliant performance of Christopher Parkening at a bit of a disadvantage, almost forcing him to produce a tinny sound by playing closer to the bridge. Other movements fare slightly better, but it remains a mystery why Bernstein did not use a more jazz-infused harmonic language, as he did in the score for THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM."

    [Message edited by Luscious Lazlo on 02-05-2002]

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    posted 02-05-2002 03:19 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    What I like most about Laz is that he's prompt.

    Welcome to the discussion, buddy!

    Shaun

    P.S. I don't totally disagree with your thoughts, either. I just happen to miss Old Bernstein, and welcomed the "military" sound.

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    posted 02-05-2002 09:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Assuming you're talking about "For Two Christophers" performed with the LSO I've had this for several months now and I listened to it for nearly two weeks straight at the time I first bought it. It is lovely and now that you've mentioned it again I think I'll listen to it some more.

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    posted 02-06-2002 07:58 AM PT (US)     

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    pretty good CD, but the Bernstein leaves me cold, as some people like to say. There's nothing that really grabs you.

    oh, it's a good piece, but there are other concerti that are much more interesting in the long run.


    I recommend a guitar concerto by another film composer: Richard Harvey, called Concerto Antico on Sony Classical, performed by John Williams (the guitarist obviously) and the LSO. It's also very conservative, but it's got more to say than the Bernstein.

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