While I'm posting this in what is the named the "General Topics" forum, it is really (or at least, moderated as) the "Film Music forum."

I think it would be good to have a separate forum where we can talk about things such as the presidential candidates without having it all in one thread (read "? for PeterK") or suffering the "Wrath of PeterK" for starting a non-movie music thread on the forum.

$0.02

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Originally posted by Al:
On Moviemusic.com? Now movies I can understand... but politics? I'm sure there's plenty of other websites and forums in existence that already discuss this. Why not just take the talk there?

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Well, it would be nice to discuss non-movie/music things (such as politics) with people I am relatively familiar with, instead of complete strangers at "vote.com."

It just seems like a better idea to have a separate forum for non movie/music posts instead of cramming it all into one silly thread named "? for PeterK."

[Message edited by jonathan_little on 10-19-2000]

The five reasons must be good according to... me. And yes, I do listen, so start typing!

I suggest if you want to start this junk, visit rec.music.movies and have at it with Ford Thaxton. Or, visit filmscoremonthly.com and have at it with vulcantouch. Or, visit filmtracks.com and have at it with Kevin "FilmQuacks" McDonald.

If you don't really want to do that, put yourselves in my shoes for a second and just think about it. I may upset one person by doing the moderator thing, but it's for the benefit of the whole group, those who are here, and those yet to come.

Alrighty? That's my last word on this. Now, I am listening for why "? for PeterK" is no longer any good for off-topic discussions. Personally, I think it's great that it naturally became what it is. It's not hard to navigate - you can skip 30 pages (3 months worth of discussion) VERY easily, and furthermore, the ONLY rule for the place is that you NOT talk about movie music! What's wrong with that, eh? I am listening.

PeterK

I didn't even realize what PeterK was all about until I started reading some of the posts there. Good idea. Sufficient.

John

• Yes, it is "easy to navigate" the 30+ pages, but I currently don't keep an index in my head that the ASCII art is on page 5, and the Political discussion is on page thirty-something, with a bunch of "Where is page XX?" posts inbetween.
  
• Perhaps all discussion on CD-Rs (like "What CD-R should I buy"), MP3s (such as "What rate do you encode your MP3s at?"), isolated DVD score ripping, and other sorts of computer-related things could take place in a "non-moviemusic" forum.
  
• I think we can only discuss what the best Jerry Goldsmith album is so many times. It's nice to discuss some things not relating to music with the individuals here that have something in common with myself (the love of film music).

And finally, regarding The Wrath. I've had my posts deleted (yes, I admit that I was off topic) and I don't think it is the end of the world.

Ford Thaxton has pretty much left this place. We all know about Ford's personality and how he feels about having his opinion/post deleted or modified. I think having Ford here is, overall, a good thing. He is typically very informed with good information from the soundtrack industry.

I also feel that Roger Feigelson was driven away after the big hoopla over the "shameless plugs" deal. (I personally miss the shameless plugs, but at least Roger's "new releases" list is still delivered to my mailbox.)

I think it would be harmless to have a forum dedicated to non-movie music topics, which would provide more structure than the single "? for PeterK" thread.

As for Ford, he can come and go as he pleases, until he's overstayed his welcome. I will never figure out why he dislikes me AND everything I've ever done to promote soundtracks. In his personal emails with me, it's obvious he has a grudge. I continually ask him what it is, but he won't discuss it. Why does he hate me? Is it because I don't suck up to him and no longer accept his very filthy personal phone calls? Perhaps. All I know is this: I don't like the kind of person Ford is, especially when he tromps through here and calls everyone spoiled brats. I stick up for you guys who are really excited about this stuff. I don't forgive Ford for his nastiness to me just because he's got his name on a CD. As far as being "informed," Ford knows nothing special. There are plenty of people who know what he knows! Anyway, enough here, there is enough Ford garbage you can sift through all over the beloved Internet.

As for Roger, I personally emailed him and asked why he announced he was leaving. He basically felt that he was spamming the place with the Intrada newsletters. I shrugged, didn't agree. People can feel what they want. If the newsletter was all that he contributed, then sure, he's no longer here, although he's welcome whenever he wants. And yes, occasionally, he pops up here and there to clarify a question about Intrada or an Intrada release. I'm grateful he participates.

I am grateful all of you participate.

So, what do you think? Another new forum?

PeterK

I am not here for things so far off topic as ASCII art and especially politics. No one wins talking politics. Everyone knows that from personal experience. You "never arugue politics and religion" is the old saying.

When I saw that "Who are you voting for" topic, I cringed inside, and hoped that PeterK would take the appropriate action in getting rid of it (which he in effect has, by locking it down).

If something can't be kept (mostly) on topic, it doesn't belong here, IMO. I don't know about the rest of you, but I skip dozens of messages all the time because they either stray off topic right away, or the natural tendency to strike off on tangents.

My vote? It goes to no new forums that have nothing to do with what this site is designed and made for.

Personally, if a topic strays too far off topic, PeterK should lock it down so it can't spread further, like Ebola or that small rash I had this past summer.

Kevin
NP - The Dream is ALive/Blue Planet (IMAX Film)

A new forum will help move posts like "Who do you want to vote for?" off of the movie music discussion area. As a result, those people who don't want to participate in the non-movie music discussion won't have to even view the title of the thread.

AaronR1074, I agree that there are instant messengers and IRC networks to use (I've been using EFnet for years). I just don't think it would hurt the quality of the movie-music discussion to have a general discussion forum.

Al, there are plenty of people reading the "? for PeterK" thread... what would make those people stop reading or responding to similar stuff in a slightly different location? If a new forum is created and fails like the "Shameless plugs" forum (which seemed to have few new posts and probably few readers), then I guess I was wrong.

kidding...

I tend to agree with Marian. This place IS a music website. THATS ALL THAT IT IS. But due to human sentimentality and virtual interaction it CAN become a place to seek refuge OR simple therapy OR a place to throw around ideas OR a place to ask questions. Questions that have to do with film scores...OR not.

SOME of u may be content with a stilted Borgified style that involves ONE type of interaction. Thats fine. If the Borg among u read our posts and think to yourselves, "Oh brother, how imature. Don't they have REAL people to talk to? WHY in the world would they want to have a meeting like a moviemusic.com convention?" (Well...possibly we wouldn't want to meet each other.) I would like to meet some of you. WHY though? Because I think I/we have built a rapport.

I CAN tell u that Ive NEVER been in the Music Trailer forum nor the Just Movies forum. And I only recently contributed to the "? for PeterK".
I hate trailers to begin with and I rarely want to know the music from one. I dont want to talk Just Movies simply cuz that is like the politics/religion problem. Theres only SO much of "Well I liked. Well I didnt!" that I can take.

I think one of the appeals of posting something like my mp3 question in the General Topics forum was the exposure/response time that I got. IF there'd been a "WHATEVER" forum, who knows if someone would have visited it and even responded to it?

I SUPPOSE I could have gone to an mp3 site or even asked on Napster's chatroom and asked there....but I guess I either didnt think of it OR have garnered some sort of virtual (at least) respect for the people who frequent THIS board.

Am I for a new forum? Kind of, but not really.

I think the more fragmented a site like this becomes, the less appealing it becomes. Practically AND aesthetically.
Imagine coming in here and finding...

Just Horner enthusiasts
Just Horner haters
Just Goldsmith enthusiasts
Just Goldsmith haters
Just Williams enthusiasts
Just Williams haters
Just Hermann enthusiasts
Just Hermann haters
Just T.V.
Just Europe
Just America
Just Vinyl
Just DVD Iso. Scores
Just CDR's
Just Males
Just Females
Just A**holes
Just Tone Deaf

Yuck!

The internet is a UNIFYING force. It doesnt HAVE to be as segmented and pidgeon-holing as REAL LIFE.

Over at FSM they have TWO forums. And if someones DARES to speak of non-score related material? The preface "Now I know this is OFF-TOPIC but..." works just fine!!!!
I have never been edited over there. I think slander and cursing crosses the line for them...AND THATS IT.

At any of the music sites, the ONLY extra forum that I found exceedingly valid was a "Just Star Wars Episode One" forum. I cant remember if it was here or at FSM but BOY was THAT needed.

If there's a new "WHATEVER" forum I may visit it but like I said I enjoy the eclecticism of a General Topics forum.

Anyway...

I wonder if Vote.Com has a "Just Film Scores" forum?

$0.03

I think an "anything goes" forum would be somewhat redundant, since God only knows what tangent any one of us is likely to go off on, at any given moment, in any given thread. This is part of HOW we've made friends (and the occasional enemy.) And part of what makes it fun. A stringent "just talk about THIS here!" bunch of places would seem terribly forbidding to me, even if meant encouragingly.

This website is called "MOVIEMUSIC.COM." In fact, if it had a charter, it would probably state that that's the reason for it being in existence.

The day that it strays off that for any silly reason (like asking who we are going to vote for or what is everyone having for Halloween dinner) is the day I leave. It's not why I came here.

Yeah, some people know each other here. Some have even met. More power to them. I, in fact, have never met anyone from here, and I don't have the funds to jet all over the country to see them. Heck, I can't even get the money to see the two friends I do have in the world, since they have moved from here (re: my city) and they are too busy to come back.

If the majority of people want to have all these off-topic forums, fine. Vox Populi and all that. But I won't be here. Like I said before, it's not htat I am an active participant around here. I'll find a place that talks about film scores.

I got along fine for the 20+ years without this place (or any other place, or the 'net), and I can do it again (at least if I just talk to the few people in my city that have a "like" of film music, I can sound like an expert).

Make your choice. Count up the votes. If PeterK makes this a democratic decision, then majority rules. The minority (like me) are out.

Do we need a new and seperate forum? I don't think so, as long as the "? for PeterK" thread continues to exist. Other OT posts generally die out on their own; or are directed by our moderator toward more appropriate venues.

I'm sure PeterK will continue do his best to keep off topic posts in their appropriate places, as he currently does.

*shrug*

I really didn't want to start a "war" over this, it was just an idea since the "? for PeterK" post is so popular and off topic posts are so frowned upon.

NP: In Harm's Way

Mr. Little, "? for PeterK" is so active for one reason: 50% of each page is filled with run-up posts to get to the next page. In essence, the thread really is only 700 posts long!

Anyway, everything seems to be just fine otherwise, off-topic posts included.

Keep your thoughts coming...

PeterK

1. start a forum on classical music. It is obvious to me that there are several of us that have a love of BOTH forms of music, and many are starting to explore classical music. Besides, programmatic concert music gave us, more or less, film music. It is entirely appropriate to discuss it here.
I would even support the integration of classical CD reviews.

2. I do love the random nature of these threads though. It's constantly interesting how one thread can go from a pointless jibe at Trevor Rabin (guilty as charged!) to over 70 posts on many topics in a couple days.

The problem with setting up a forum for keeping "these off-topic ideas off of the areas for Movie Music content" (your quote) is that this whole place is for movie music content. That's why - and I'll say it again - it's called "moviemusic.com." Not "moviemusic_plus_other_stuff.com." This is a place (I thought) that was dedicated to the film music genre.

Also, you might have misunderstood my talk about non-participation. I would not leave if a separate forum was set up (I certainly would have no interest whatsoever is looking at it). I said the day this site degenerates to that sort of off-topic silliness is the day I leave.

Also, just to throw it out there, I never understood the "? for PeterK" topic. Seems rather silly and a waste of space. I looked at it for a while when it started, but it of course degenerated into something vacuous.

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but it of course degenerated into something vacuous.

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Of course!

"...you're biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own."

THAT is vacuous. Blind rigidity is vacuous.

I'm thinking of posting a new topic:
"What's your fave color?"

Too much?

You know it's a good thing none of us have REAL problems to worry about.

Hey MARIAN, Isnt THE FLY 2 good? Um....ooops!!! Was that too off topic? I guess I should say goodbye to THIS post huh?

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Originally posted by Kevin:
...but it of course degenerated into something vacuous.

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Well, naturally. That's the appeal. Do you think I could have posted a recipie for Fried Freg anywhere else, this site or not? What about the others posts people have put in there? Godzilla Vs. Begorrah?

The "? for Peter K" thread encourages sillyness, without allowing it to overrun the site. (And I think we have a lot of silly people here, myself included.) You are, in essence, saying: "Stop that! It's SILLY!"-And Now For Something Completely Different

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Originally posted by John Dunham:
And I think we have a lot of silly people here, myself included.

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"? for PeterK" remains the breeding ground for all discussion except movie music.

Mark said it best: why fix if it's not broke?

Only until we have thousands upon thousands of messages a day do I think it's truly necessary to start creating new forums. I do really like the idea of a classical music forum here. It's a perfect logical fit. Thanks JJ! When are you moving to Chicago?

I can think of a couple of members who'd actively participate in the classical forum, if more of you commit to a forum like that right now, I will open it ASAP. So, the poll is on:

Who supports the formation of a new classical forum here?

Yay or nay would be fine, thanks!

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Originally posted by PeterK:
I can think of a couple of members who'd actively participate in the classical forum, if more of you commit to a forum like that right now, I will open it ASAP. So, the poll is on:

Who supports the formation of a new classical forum here?

Yay or nay would be fine, thanks!

PeterK

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Yes, I've actually thought that a classical music forum would be a good addition to this site, as well, given the similarities between classical and film music and the dual interest of many of the members here.

don't know yet, if at all. They "are looking at me," whatever that means.

They have till January to make a final decision I suppose, so I guess they aren't in much of a hurry.

I would like to know pretty quickly if I have to go to Chicago for an interview, and all that.

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Originally posted by Kris Koon:
Anyone else dislike the term "classical" music? It seems to me to imply the music is old or archaic when, in fact, much new "classical" (modern classical?) music exists and is still be composed. I'd rather prefer something like "orchestral music" or "symphonic music" or some other name better describe that particular idiom.

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It would, yes, but as the name of a forum it would also be misleading. "Classical" may not be an accurate moniker for the genre, but it's a little too entrenched now to change it... (Note: I move we change the name of "rap" music to "garbled muttering". ) (Note: The first note was a joke, and was in no way intended to slight rap music fans or proformers, living or dead, real or imaginary, human or animal, fruit or vegetable, etc.)