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    Topic:   "Masculinity"

     Swashbuckler
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    I remember finding a book while working at Tower Records; it was The Big Book of Manliness.

    I read it as it went through different aspects of life (clothing, food, entertainment, etc.) and rated things by their "Manly" factor. Of course, the most manly film ever was Spartacus. It doesn't, of course, discuss film scores, but the Total Recall thread had me thinking about how this bizarre topic could be applied to our interest.

    (While the book itself is ambiguous about whether or not its tongue was in its cheek let us say up front that mine is.)

    Certainly, since a stoic but powerful presence is the mark of a real man, several film scores stand out as being truly manly:


    • JERRY GOLDSMITH: Total Recall
      Well, it inspired the damn thread. Let's face it, this score beats the living @#$% out of any number of other action film scores. Pounding acoustic and electronic percussion over some great action riffs and references to other Schwarzennegger related film scores.

    • BRUCE BROUGHTON: Silverado
      In addition to one of the best Western themes in recent cinema history, the score for this "everything but the kitchen sink" all-star oater by Larry Kasdan is fantastic, with the standard Western harmonic language being interrupted in moments ("This Oughta Do") for some great musical violence. In addition to being a great score about teamwork, the film also reminds us how quietly manly Scott Glenn has been over the years.

    • BASIL POLEDOURIS: Starship Troopers
      This is an easy one; any film score where a point of departure is a "wall of sound" created by several overdubbed snare drum tracks has to be manly, and Starship Troopers certainly doesn't let down, particularly with the dirge-like main theme heard in cues like "Klendathu Drop" and "The Destruction of the Roger Young," the take-no-prisoners harmonic violence heard in "Bugs!!!" and, of course, the self-congratulatory "They Will Win!"

    • ALEX NORTH: Spartacus
      Okay, there's that love theme going on, but hey, it's Spartacus, you know? While the album has plenty of music that bursts with out with hairy-chested splendor "Main Title," "Gladiators Fight to Death," etc.) quite a lot is left off this album, like the "I am Spartacus" cue, which has that wonderful crescendo as Spartacus sheds that one tear. When you're that much man, you're allowed to squeeze out one tear in extreme circumstances.

    • LALO SCHIFRIN: Bullitt
      It's all about being cool, collected and unreadable. Just like Steve McQueen. It also helps to have those killer blue eyes. Just like Steve McQueen. And Jacqueline Bisset for a girlfriend. Just like Steve McQueen. The original album, with its blistering performance and old-school hard left and right panning is the more masculine of the two discs, although the new one has some more music on it.

    • ENNIO MORRICONE: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
      Movies don't get much more hombre than this. Clint Eastwood, of course, defines everything a man should be. Morricone's music is wild and experimental, but always with its fist tightly closed over the squirmings of the weak. The famous title sequence and "The Ecstasy of Gold" is only the beginning, with "The Desert" being an amazing suspense track and "The Trio" being possibly the best showdown music since... since... uh... For A Few Dollars More, I guess...

    • SHIRLEY WALKER: Memoirs of An Invisible Man
      "Ah!" you cry. "This is a list of masculine music! How masculine can this be? A woman has composed this music!" Well, all I can say is that a quick listen to this rhythmic and propulsive score will show that the action composer within Walker is more masculine than most male composers. The people slashed, stabbed and decapitated by Valeria in Conan the Barbarian are just as dead as those killed by Conan or Subotai...

    • JERRY GOLDSMITH: King Solomon's Mines
      A score based entirely around its percussive rhythms. You gotta love that. Pounding Goldsmith, with some more tongue-in-cheek action with the whole "Die Walkure" thing going on. Even the love theme is based on rhythms. Damn.

    • DANNY ELFMAN: Batman
      Strong and dark brass are always good recipes for manly music, and this score doesn't disappoint anybody but Andre Lux. In addition to some great action cues ("Batman to the Rescue," "Charge of the Batmobile" etc.) the cue "Up the Cathedral" displays a deft handling of cinematic action along with a great evocation of unrestrained anguish. A great track!

    • BASIL POLEDOURIS: Conan the Barbarian
      Although there are moments in which the score gives women something to listen to, this film is given an extremely oily chested score, complete with a screaming chorus during the battles and a gong scraped by a triangle to shatter the senses. One of the best things about Conan is that the music, which is sort of a quasi-opera, manages to whip people into a frenzy while listening to it (usually characterized by an "I'm so pumped" remark).

    • MAX STEINER: They Died With Their Boots On
      Okay, the film makes no sense in context of history. Who cares? This score is fantastic! Militaristic motives and a distinct sense of chaos mark this score, one of Steiner's best. Special masculinity points are also awared for the use of the march "Garry Owen" in this score. The resulting brew is quite intoxicating.

    • LALO SCHIFRIN: Enter the Dragon
      How can you escape this one either? Let's face it, a classic man film requires a classic man score, and from the powerful brass to the wah-wah guitars, from the great jazz/rock tracks ("Headset Jazz") to the uncomfortable nontonal action ("Broken Mirrors"), this score has everything a man needs.


    Post your lists (but please, please, write a short little something or other about each score you pick).

    [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 10-15-2000]

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    posted 10-15-2000 10:21 AM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    I have that book--it's "The Von Hoffman Bros' BIG DAMN Book of Sheer Manliness"

    Good book, actually. Yes, it lists "Spartacus" as #1 on Manliest Movies, also including "The Godfather I & II", "Ben Hur", "Braveheart", "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", "Aliens", and "The Man Who Would Be King", among several others....How's that for an ecclectic mix?

    But, as we're adding to this list, I'll have to throw in some "Manly Music" soundtracks for consideration....

    1) "Army of Darkness" [come on!--it's right there in the track titles: "Manly Men"]
    2) "The 13th Warrior" [when you die, can I give that to my daughter...?]
    3) "The Untouchables"
    4) "Crimson Tide"
    5) "Gladiator" [Two Zimmers, for good measure.]
    6) "Goldfinger" [And a Bond...gotta be.]
    7) "Patton"
    8) "The Adventures of Don Juan"
    9) "Con Air" [There's probably a case here for virtually every Jerry Bruckheimer-backed score....]
    10) "The Hunt for Red October"

    [Message edited by Lancelot on 10-15-2000]

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    posted 10-15-2000 02:11 PM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    And lets not forget Goldsmith's RAMBO trilogy... particulary the second. And, of course, EXTREME PREJUDICE.

    Some real MACHO MAN music!!!!

    HUUUUURRRRÁÁÁÁÁ!!

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    posted 10-15-2000 04:24 PM PT (US)     

     Hard Target
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    Macho music you ask...Hmmmm...let's see:

    Die Hard
    Predator
    Predator 2
    Courage Under Fire
    Extreme Predjuice
    Rudy
    Hoosiers
    The Edge
    Seven
    Deep Blue Sea
    Backdraft
    Tombstone
    Demolition Man
    Mission Impossible
    Eraser
    The Mission from Amazing Stories
    The Indiana Jones Trilogy


    P.O.
    Losing Isaiah (Mark Isham) **/****


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    posted 10-15-2000 08:48 PM PT (US)     

     azahid
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    my take:

    RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK Williams)
    This one is non stop action adventure in the 1930's and this ones oozing with Testesterone!

    FIRST KNIGHT (Goldsmith)
    The actions material is great. The NIGHT BATLE is awesome.


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    posted 10-15-2000 09:39 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Ahh, shucks, I thought this would be a well-developed thread about
    briefs versus boxers. “Write a short something about each ... pick.”
    Nah, I don’t think I need elaborate.

    I loved your detailed descriptions of each score, Swashbuckler.(Now there is a virile moniker.) You nailed the connotative aspects of the music in each score that we associate with manliness.

    I have a theory about masculine/feminine music, and since I’m female,
    Swashbuckler, you know I’m probably right.

    Ahem.. I associate masculine scores or sounds with specific rhythms and
    instruments.

    Western “galloping” tempos, Marshall/March rhythms, and Imperial
    themes are allied to muscular, manly scores.

    Masculine orchestration requires at times bombastic percussions,
    especially tympani, and instruments found mainly in the brass sections.
    Also the guitar and harmonica telegraph “machoness” or virility.

    Therefore, I would rate most rousing westerns as masculine. “Bronco Bustin” from
    Wild Rovers has strong percussion and brass. Others using robust instruments and
    rhythms are Sons of Katie Elder, Magnificent Seven and most Goldsmith westerns.
    Certainly war scores like with military sounds would qualify under the Marshall or
    March motif such as Bridge From Remagen, Great Escape, Patton, Guns of
    Navarone, Battle of Britain, Battle of the Bulge, and so on.

    Earthquaking tympani are found in Conan and The Thirteenth Warrior.
    Loud brass sections are almost always utilized in heraldic themes from movies
    like Star Wars, Superman, Last Starfighter, and this type of almost imperial
    music is usually associated with the “kingly” state of males. (Aren’t I being
    such a good sport through all of this. )

    I love all those types of masculine music, so where does that leave me?
    Sleazy saxes and piccolos? Ugh.

    What to do with the ubiquitous string sections? Violins portray lovely melodies
    like High Road to China or slasher sounds like in Psycho.

    Obviously, it is how a composer employs various instruments that gives music
    masculine or feminine sound. Ingrained connotations, I guess.

    NP U 571 Definitely a testosterone score.

    [Message edited by joan hue on 10-15-2000]

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    posted 10-15-2000 10:22 PM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    quote:
    Ahh, shucks, I thought this would be a well-developed thread about briefs versus boxers. “Write a short something about each ... pick."
    It was supposed to be, damn it!

    Joan, as I mentioned earlier, this is all supposed to be tongue in cheek.

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    posted 10-16-2000 05:15 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    I know it was tongue in cheek, Swash; however, I thought your analysis of the music was right on. Enjoyed it. Also, I think there are connotative female and male sounds.

    NP Switchback

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    posted 10-16-2000 05:31 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I guess Debney's Cutthroat Island also rates as masculine score - although the movie has Geena Davis in the lead role!

    NP: The Dark Half (Christopher Young)

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    posted 10-16-2000 05:39 PM PT (US)     

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    -Broken Arrow
    -Robocop
    -The Mummy
    -All the Bond scores
    -American Beauty (I don't know why I chose this one, it just has elements of testosterone in it. I guess if you look at the film and the character of Lester, you can see why.)

    And for the SNAG (Sensitive New Age Guy)there are scores such as...

    -As Good as it Gets
    -While you were sleeping
    -Father of the Bride

    NP: As Good as it Gets *****/*****



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    posted 10-16-2000 06:01 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    I heard on tape today two scores I find extremely masculine.
    THE HILLS RUN RED and THE BIG GUNDOWN by
    Ennio Morricone. Both scores sport a strong, brassy melodic
    theme blared in trumpets accompanied by his usual male
    chorus and guitars.

    The rhythm pounds with the western genre galloping beats.
    His female soloist only intensifies through almost counterpoint,
    the testosterone level of his gunslinging scores. And it is a testament
    to his versatility that he can always add a soft guitar/violin love theme
    to his macho western scores. I know he hasn’t scored a western
    in decades, but I wish he would reconsider.

    NP Ben Hur

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    posted 10-16-2000 06:55 PM PT (US)     

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    When I hit the road with "The Omega Man" in my car CD player, it always strikes me as the most manly of all music. This stuff takes no prisoners.

    Most manly cue: 10. On The Tumbril

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    posted 10-17-2000 02:33 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    The Challenge

    and hey, most Bond scores are manly aren't they?


    NP -- Last of the Mohicans, re-recording


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    posted 10-17-2000 11:56 AM PT (US)     
     

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