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    Topic:   He knows what scares you!

     André Lux
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    Jerry Goldsmith...
    Man, he knows.

    Just saw POLTERGEIST today again, now on DVD.

    I would love to write one of those great in deep analisys of the music, but I think it's better to leave it to more gifted people like Dan Hobgood or MLWare.

    But one thing I can say: POLTERGEIST alongside with ALIEN and THE OMEN are the most frightening movie music ever composed, isn't it?.
    And what's most impressive: there's no cliché, no easy "scary" buttons pushed... 100% pure original, highly inovative music.

    Jerry Goldsmith: he knows what scares you...

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    posted 10-14-2000 03:53 PM PT (US)     

     BMikeJ
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    quote:
    Originally posted by André Lux:

    Jerry Goldsmith...
    Man, he knows.

    Just saw POLTERGEIST today again, now on DVD.

    I would love to write one of those great in deep analisys of the music, but I think it's better to leave it to more gifted people like Dan Hobgood or MLWare.

    But one thing I can say: POLTERGEIST alongside with ALIEN and THE OMEN are the most frightening movie music ever composed, isn't it?.
    And what's most impressive: there's no cliché, no easy "scary" buttons pushed... 100% pure original, highly inovative music.

    Jerry Goldsmith: he knows what scares you...


    Now you need to listen to The Mephisto Waltz. I rank it right up there with Alien, The Omen, and Poltergeist.

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    posted 10-14-2000 04:49 PM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    Uhh... but I have!
    It's great too, but unfortunately I never saw the movie, so I can't analise it within the context...

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    posted 10-14-2000 04:51 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    I just saw Mephisto Waltz yesterday. It fits very well. The music scores the visuals as much as it does the drama. For example, changes to different camera angles are punctuated by sharp string blasts with moaning brass. The movie would have been very uninteresting if it weren't for Jerry's score. One nightmare sequence in particular, when a woman watches a shadowy figure that ends up being a dead man walk into her house ("A Part of The Bargain" on the album), is made creepy mostly by Jerry's score.

    NP - Swing Kids

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    posted 10-15-2000 06:35 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    This really sounds like a creepy movie now, Al!

    NP: The Lord of the Rings (Leonard Rosenman)

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    posted 10-15-2000 08:18 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    Actually, I have to say that one of the chief reasons for the suceess of Poltergeist within the film and on the album (gotta love Rhino's remastered and expanded reissue!) is that he somehow manages to fit georgeous thematic material in the same track with the most horrifying orchestral sounds ever heard.

    Case in point, "It Knows What Scares You," the transition from Carol Anne's theme to those evil, dark sounds as Zelda Rubinstein says, "...but she's not alone..."

    While I certainly agree that The Omen and Memphisto Waltz are highly effective, and Alien is a work of genius, I have to say that this score, by sheer virtue of the contrasts employed in its execution is possibly the scariest of the bunch. The Omen comes closest to this for the same reasons (the lullabye, etc.), I think, but I believe that the non-development of the themes for the evil forces in Poltergeist actually works more in the film and score's favor by suggesting the unknown.

    As Spielberg mentions in his original liner notes:

    quote:
    Don't trust his melodies. Something perfectly unworldly is due to occur the moment you let your guard drop and Goldsmith proceeds to feign and attack with no "apparent" rhyme or pattern.
    While I often have problems with Spielberg's often wildly inaccurate or pointless liner notes, in this one particular case he hit the nail right on the head.

    NP - Jerry Goldsmith Poltergeist (Andre talked me into it)

    [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 10-15-2000]

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    posted 10-15-2000 09:10 AM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Swashbuckler:

    Case in point, "It Knows What Scares You," the transition from Carol Anne's theme to those evil, dark sounds as Zelda Rubinstein says, "...but she's not alone..."

    Jesus Christ, man!!!
    Don't do this again!
    You've just made me piss my pants!!


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    posted 10-15-2000 04:16 PM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    Oh, shut up and go and change your armor.

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    posted 10-16-2000 05:03 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Just for the record, my favourite part of the score starts at about 4:30 in the "Escape From Suburbia" track.

    A little anecdote: On my invoice for the CD (yes, I keep all my CD invoices) "Poltergeist" is mis-spelled "Polstergeist". "Polster" is German for "pillow" ("Geist" is of course "ghost").

    NP: Poltergeist (Jerry Goldsmith)

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    posted 10-17-2000 03:22 PM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    quote:
    Originally posted by André Lux:

    Jesus Christ, man!!!
    Don't do this again!
    You've just made me piss my pants!!


    Andre, for the record, Poltergeist was on today, and I watched most of it. Unfortunately, I missed this scene because I had to run to the store. However, I put the album on and that one part scared the living hell out of me again.

    It's a real testament to a composer's skill when you can know when the scary part is coming and still get caught by it.

    NP - Jerry Goldsmith Poltergeist

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    posted 11-23-2000 12:38 PM PT (US)     

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    Brilliant scores for sure ...but scary?...Not Me!

    Howard Shore and Christopher Young are the only Film composers who've written music that REALLY gives me the creeps.

    Check out for instance Shore's The Cell or The Fly or Silence Of The Lambs.

    Young's Hellraiser scores....Leviathan from Hellraiser II has got to be the most spine tingly creepy overworldly piece of music ever written!

    One thing that was great about the expanded re-release of Poltergeist was that they got rid of that stupid laughter from the best track on the album, the Star Trek influenced 'Rebirth'!

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    posted 11-23-2000 06:05 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Spine-tingling? The timpani roll after the carrousel music in Williams' The Fury.

    Poltergeist IS scary for me. The Omen isn't. Devilishly brilliant it is, and sometimes it makes me put on a dark grin while listening to it, but it doesn't scare me.

    NP: Erich Wolfgang Korngold: The Sea Hawk (Kojian's recording)

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    posted 11-23-2000 06:16 PM PT (US)     

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    My fave pieces are when the people come down the stairs AND one titled "Rebirth".

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    posted 11-23-2000 06:44 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    I suppose that being scared by a movie is relative, like comedy. I found both Poltergeist and The Omen to be highly thrilling, but not scary.
    Alien...now THAT'S scary stuff! The music sets the tone from the very beginning, and it never lets up. I feel the same way about Herrmann's Psycho.

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    posted 11-23-2000 08:25 PM PT (US)     

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    I've always felt that Poltergiest is an incredible piece of work and one of Goldsmith's best. And Omen is freaky with the choir and all. And of course, Alien is just beyond words. But I guess I gotta hear this Mephisto Waltz. I'm seeing so many posts about it. Anybody wanna do a trade or something? Or is this a commercially available album? I guess I could check that out myself.

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    posted 11-23-2000 08:59 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron R. Brown
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    I have the score Poltergeist. It's all good but for some reason I have liked Poltergeist 2: The Other Side a whole lot more. Intrada re-relased it a little while back but you can hardly find it any where now. Still the first Poltergeist is my favorite horror movie and score.

    Chris, if you didn't find Poltergeist scary you must find the sequel pretty scary.

    [Message edited by Aaron R. Brown on 11-24-2000]

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    posted 11-24-2000 04:14 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Sebulba, Mephisto Waltz is available on Varese's "Fox Classics" series, coupled with The Other. I heard a sample at the "Deconstructing Goldsmith" website a year ago I guess, and when I went to the store next day, I had no problems finding it.

    It's an album I don't play very often, but it's very scary. Reading what Al posted above about the movie, this sounds like one of the most scaring movies I've seen.

    NP: City Hall (for some reason, I have the feeling that this is by the same composer who wrote most of the scores mentioned in this thread)

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    posted 11-24-2000 06:02 AM PT (US)     
     

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