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MWRuger

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We all have odd scores that we have heard that no one seems to know of nor do they get discussed much. This is similar to the "unknown score" type thread, but with a difference.
This should be scores that are really hard to get to either because they are unreleased or the movie is older than MTV or maybe both.1. Practical Magic – Alan Silvestri did his usual bang up job, but nobody seems to give a hoot about this score. It worked marvelously in the picture and the two tracks on song album give a hint. Oh, I hear people clamoring for Predator (Which is a hard listen for me) but I never hear anyone complaining about the unreleased score this film. What Gives?
2. Five Card Stud – All you mavens of AMC have seen this Dean Martin flick form the late sixties. IT also stars Roddy McDowell, Robert Mitchum, Yaphet Kotto and others. I didn’t need IMDB to tell me that it was Maurice Jarre who scored this classic, but what I do need someone to tell me is why I never hear anyone talk about it. It is masterful how he weaves the song crooned by Dean Martin into the main themes of movie. No release. No Chat.
3. Caine Mutiny – I have beaten this drum before, but a few more pounds won’t hurt. An awesome film with and awesome Max Steiner score. The whole mystery surrounding its non-release and the great nautical march tell me that we MUST have it.
So, I am much better now. What are some of your Odd Scores that we don’t know about.
[Message edited by MWRuger on 10-13-2000]
posted 10-12-2000 09:59 PM PT (US) 
ZapBrannigan

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The Caine Mutiny March is included in "Cinema Century 2000" (Silva Treasury, STD 5023).This is a 4-CD compilation with music from 56 movies. Silva's usual City of Prague Orchestra does the playing.
posted 10-12-2000 11:07 PM PT (US) 
Patrick

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Good topic!Five Card Stud was a fairly good movie with a top notch score. Probably the main reason why nobody talks about it is because anyone who actually saw it in the theater has died of old age--cept for me and my sister. You are right about the composer. It was Maurice Jarre. No score was ever released because-- I think--the movie was a bust at the box office. But it had a good score.
The Caine Mutiny is the classic of all classics. I don't know anything about the "mystery surrounding its non-release", and if you do it would be nice if you speculated some about why the score was never put out on an lp. The only thing I know about the score was when I first began collecting soundtracks--yikes --several generations ago, The Caine Mutiny was considered to be one of the rarest soundtracks in the world. A soundtrack auction place down in Costa Mesa (RTS) had a standing offer of between $5000 and $10,000 to anyone who could sell them one of the orginal Lps of mutiny.
Some of the odd scores which no one talks about that come to mind for me are : The Stalking Moon. Music composed by F. Karlin (An old Gregory Peck western. Excellent movie;haunting music) And The Cincinnati Kid. Music by Lalo Schifrin.
There's also Nevada Smith by Alfred Newman, The Hallelujah Trail, Rate Race, Saints and Sinners and Walk on the Wild Side by Elmer Bernstein. Sebastian by Jerry Goldsmith and a unique and rousing score to the movie Champions. Music by Carl Davis. Thanks MWRuger.Going back through my collection brought up some old and neat memories.
posted 10-12-2000 11:09 PM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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"He was king at five card stud"
Catchy title song sung by Dean Martin, and a quirky Western score by Maurice Jarre. I remember the movie, though of course, I could kick the bucket now at anytime because of old age.
Always liked that one and would love to see it get a CD release.Another score, another Western score at that, that's hardly ever discussed in any film score forum yet is a true stunner is Jerry Fielding's score for Lawman. From it's determined and unsettling Main Title all the way through the closing music, this is a top Western score on a level with Fielding's far more famous The Wild Bunch or Goldsmith's Western scores. What are the chances of Lawman ever seeing the light of day, perhaps as a Prometheus CD a la Bite the Bullet?
[Message edited by Nicolai P. Zwar on 10-13-2000]
posted 10-13-2000 12:14 AM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai P. Zwar:
Another score, another Western score at that, that's hardly ever discussed in any film score forum yet is a true stunner is Jerry Fielding's score for [b]Lawman. From it's determined and unsettling Main Title all the way through the closing music, this is a top Western score on a level with Fielding's far more famous The Wild Bunch or Goldsmith's Western scores. What are the chances of Lawman ever seeing the light of day, perhaps as a Prometheus CD a la Bite the Bullet?[Message edited by Nicolai P. Zwar on 10-13-2000][/B]
Music from Lawman turned up on Jerry Fielding Film Music Vol.1, a double CD from Bay Cities. A great score and an underrated film...
posted 10-13-2000 01:06 AM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Yes, I do remember 5 CARD STUD and Jarre’s score since
this old timer can still get her wheel chair to a keyboard.
I can think of several scores that are rarely if ever discussed.
One that used to blare throughout my home when I was a wee tike
(you know, shortly after Adam and Eve) was Malcolm Arnold’s
INN OF THE SIXTH HAPPINESS. My mother actually purchased
that lovely score. We also sometimes talk about TV scores, but I’ve
never seen VICTORY AT SEA discussed. It has just been
re-released. What a powerful score for a television (long running)
documentary. Such an intricate score for television is almost non-
existent now. Waxman’s powerful, melodic, and sad score for
MR. ROBERTS is rarely mentioned. Lalo Schifrin is discussed
often in relationship to his action scores like Mission Impossible,
Enter the Dragon, etc. However, one of his most subtle and
melodic was COOL HAND LUKE. A quiet guitar and a few gentle
strings score his main melody, and a theme that reflects the passage
of time is memorable.I rarely seen Bill Conti discussed unless it is in relationship to The Right
Stuff. Maybe his hit ROCKY was too well-liked by the public to be
considered amazing; however, its strong, unique boxing music and
heraldic, heroic summons motif that ironically opens the movie to a
basic loser character reminded me to come back to my interest in film
music.NP Five Man Army
posted 10-13-2000 11:25 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Another thumbs up from me for Jerry Fielding! But not only his dense western scores, also his tremendously exciting jazz contributions to The Big Sleep, The Gauntlet and The Enforcer.Joan, I'm with you there on the Bill Conti thing. NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE HAS EVER MENTIONED HIS BRILLIANT SYMPHONIC ONSLAUGHT WHICH IS F.I.S.T.! Or even The Formula.
And I like Barbarella.
posted 10-13-2000 02:34 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Mr. Ruger! Excellent topic. I can't say I've heard 5 Card Stud or Caine Mutiny, but I can offer a clear cut affirmation regarding Practical Magic! It's a shame this one didn't get released. I've been listening to the two tracks released w/ the song album very often as of late - and they are simply wonderful.Perhaps some day..........
Jeron
posted 10-13-2000 03:14 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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About THE CAINE MUTINY: A few promo copies of THE CAINE MUTINY did get out, but the formal release was cancelled because of the author of the original play, Herman Wouk. He discovered that the album would contain long sections of his dialogue, and he felt it was a misuse of his work -- although legally, I don't know what, if any, right he had to suppress it. He did threaten Columbia, however, and as Wouk told the story, studio head Harry Cohn went off to his office to play the album, and declared that he hated the music anyway, and so would cancel the release (the better to avoid a lawsuit from Wouk. On reflection, he probably had it in his contract how the dialogue would be used in any form. Unlike screenwriters, playwrights, at least in America, have been known to tyrannize producers, directors and actors about how their dialogue is to be utilized. On the stage, a play from someone as regarded as Tennessee Williams or Neil Simon cannot be changed at all without the writer's consent. If the writer is no longer living, then it's all been set in stone.)
posted 10-13-2000 04:00 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Yes, Graham, FIST is wonderful. I posted it last week under Soundtrack Finder. Sigh, guess it isn't out there in CD.NP Hoffa
posted 10-13-2000 04:06 PM PT (US) 
Rang
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Waxman's COME BACK, LITTLE SHEBA. My first exposure to this score was on Vol. 1 of the "Legends of Hollywood" Waxman albums, a soaring, beautifully genteel selection called "Reminiscences for Orchestra." I really took to the wistful, childlike innocence of this piece, and after seeing the film, thought that quality in the music perfectly complemented Shirley Booth's fine performance.I also really liked Waxman's musical solution in stressing the difficult struggle Burt Lancaster's character goes through with his addiction to alcohol. The one scene I have in mind is when Lancaster gives into his urge to drink the (wine?) bottle held in the kitchen cupboard. Waxman's music is very subtle and restrained initially, but as Lancaster's need for a drink increases, so does the music. The mounting, relentless tension of this piece kind of reminded me of SORRY, WRONG NUMBER, or even "The Creation" from THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. Not in terms of themes or phrases, but stylistically. All three pieces have that rising intensity that reaches an unforgettable, shattering climax. Just amazing stuff.
I don't recall there being a lot of score in COME BACK, LITTLE SHEBA, but what music is there is very, very good.
posted 10-13-2000 11:26 PM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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quote:
Originally posted by BMikeJ:
Music from Lawman turned up on Jerry Fielding Film Music Vol.1, a double CD from Bay Cities. A great score and an underrated film...It did? Wow! Any more info about this? How much of the film's score turned up on the disc? Sound quality? Availability? What else is on the disc?
posted 10-14-2000 01:39 AM PT (US) 
majestyx

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There was about 25 minutes of score from Lawman on the 2CD set which was released by the now defunct Bay Cities. It also included music from the following:THE MECHANIC (1970)
THE BIG SLEEP (1978)
STRAW DOGS (1971)
CHATO'S LAND (1971)
THE NIGHTCOMERS (1972)It's pretty tough to get an original of it. It was a limited edition of 1500 copies.
posted 10-17-2000 10:51 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Ah! ...I have Conti's F.I.S.T but only on LP, Joan you mentioned Cool Hand Luke earlier, a fine Schifrin score, but one of my favorites which has never seen a legit release is his excellent jazzy score for COOGAN'S BLUFF (selection's from this were relaesed on a bootleg coupled with Goldsmith's General With The Cockeyed I.D. and some unreleased music from Moross's The Big Country), and while I'm at it how about a complete DIRTY HARRY?NP : because I'm in a good mood I'm putting on another undisgusted composers music....
It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World - Ernest Gold
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