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Topic: Goldsmith's Mulan
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Alwin
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As I'm agressively stepping up my JG collection, Mulan crossed my mind.There are two versions, one a blister pack, and the other is the normal packaging.
Are there any differences, IE: different cues on one, but not the other? Thanks.
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posted 10-11-2000 10:59 AM PT (US) ip
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JJH
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why settle for the Disney release when I'm sure the full score promo can be had?
NP-- What Dreams May Come, Morricone
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posted 10-11-2000 11:52 AM PT (US) ip
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H Rocco
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I was rather alarmed to discover recently that my copy of the promo isn't even complete! There's an EVEN MORE complete version which has the prologue on it (all of thirty seconds, so not a big deal, but I was still startled.)
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posted 10-11-2000 01:40 PM PT (US) ip
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Shaun Rutherford
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JJ's right, but if you still want to know, there is no difference between the blister pack and the normal package. The blister pack is just a pain in the arse to open.Shaun
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posted 10-11-2000 01:46 PM PT (US) ip
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Alwin
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Thanks for the reply, but of course, I don't have access to rare CDs or promos, even with Intrada or Screen Archives online. Unlike some of you hardcore "so-and-so everything" collectors, I'm just looking for a reasonably lengthed CD. I could ask around though.
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posted 10-11-2000 02:30 PM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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Yeah, Rocco, I noticed, too. But I don't miss that prologue piece too much.Alwin, I never heard the official release, but it's mostly songs, and there's a LOT of score on the promo. NP: The Dark Half (Christopher Young)
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posted 10-11-2000 02:59 PM PT (US) ip
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Shaun Rutherford
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Honestly, Mulan is one of those ALBUMS that might lead some to believe that Goldsmith has lost it, but upon hearing the FULL score, you realize that it's just Jerry the Producer leaving off all the good stuff. So, if any of you guys out there hate Mulan because all you own is the official Disney release, seek out a copy of the Academy Promo (and by copy, I mean CDR). Shakespeare In Love, my ass!Shaun [Message edited by Shaun Rutherford on 10-11-2000]
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posted 10-11-2000 10:21 PM PT (US) ip
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H Rocco
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Indeed. The Academy promo is what you want, although the commercial Disney album isn't THAT big of an embarrassment. Still, Shaun says something that I'VE always said: Goldsmith the album producer has ALWAYS been too hard on Goldsmith the composer.NP: it could be MULAN, but happens not to be
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posted 10-11-2000 11:40 PM PT (US) ip
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Rang
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When I discovered that Goldsmith was writing the score for MULAN (I say discovered because at the time, I had no internet access, nor did I subscribe to any of the available film music magazines, so I literally would stumble upon who was scoring what by chance... say, credits on a movie poster or after a trailer, or a critic's review; those were pretty much my only sources), my interest was really piqued. Goldsmith's magical work on THE SECRET OF N.I.M.H has long stood as one of my favorites of his, and so, that being a score for an animated film, I was intrigued with what he would write for another animated film.Two things further deepened my interest: 1) my dad mentioned that the score worked well in the film; and 2) the local film critic of the Sacramento Bee, Joe Baltake, mentioned Goldsmith's effective contribution. Maybe the positive feedback unfairly raised my expectations (I doubt it, though), but neither film nor score made much of an impression with me. My sister-in-law owns the song-score soundtrack, so I've had numerous occasions to listen to Goldsmith's music and let it sink in. Besides a few passages here and there, though, what amount of score is on the Disney album largely did nothing for me. I remember Andy Dursin mentioned in one issue of FSM that Goldsmith's music (and perhaps the songs, also) was pleasant, but forgettable. I really don't want to label MULAN as "pleasant but forgettable" from a summarization of something I read (which is out of context), but that's really been my reaction to the score on the Disney album. To be fair, I've only seen the film once, so maybe another look would raise my opinion of the score some. And, as Shaun suggested, tracking down a copy of that promo would be another option.
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posted 10-12-2000 01:02 AM PT (US) ip
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Lorien
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Shaun and H. Rocco are dead right about Goldsmith the producer, and MULAN specifically. The score heard from beginning to end, complete (and that 60 second opening really IS worth it, in a Floating Office sort of way) is just a work of art. And the sequence really does matter. There's another CD going around that also has alternate takes, including the actual haircutting music from the film. It's really nice, a full 77 minute CD, but wherever possible, cues that were jammed together for the Disney CD are presented in that same way, so you go through the score until the part where Mulan shows up at the camp looking like a guy and suddenly the Avalanche music pops in because it's combined that way on the Disney CD. Again, all the music is great, but there's a lot to be said for its sequencing. Generally film order is the best way to go, as those who know the film can notice a change and be distracted, and those who don't won't care anyway. There are some arguments for re-sequencing (into what people assume is a "better listening experience"), and some of those are valid, but to stay on the topic at hand, with Mulan particularly, film order makes a huge difference!
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posted 10-12-2000 02:21 AM PT (US) ip
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SEBULBA
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I have the complete version with the prologue, and the alternate unused tracks, and it really is a beautiful score. It's nice to have such great music in an animated film.
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posted 10-12-2000 08:01 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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quote:
Originally posted by Lorien:
Shaun and H. Rocco are dead right about Goldsmith the producer, and MULAN specifically.
True. Williams isn't better in that sense, either. quote:
The score heard from beginning to end, complete (and that 60 second opening really IS worth it, in a Floating Office sort of way) is just a work of art.
Hm. If I remember correctly, there are no sound effects and no dialogue during that sequence in the movie... I might rip the main title from the DVD and burn it, with the promo, on a complete Mulan CD. NP: The Dark Half (Christopher Young)
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posted 10-12-2000 09:57 AM PT (US) ip
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Jennie
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Hey guys,
Unfortunately, I'm super lame and I only have the Disney official release of Mulan. But I REALLY REALLY (did I mention REALLY?) want the full score. Any ideas on how to get it?? Please? With sugar on top?
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posted 10-12-2000 08:53 PM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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I was quite fond of the prologue when I saw the film. The COMPLETE complete score release works for me.
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posted 10-12-2000 08:59 PM PT (US) ip
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Shaun Rutherford
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The "Prologue" cue comes from the disc with the alternates. Damn these bootlegs! Damn 'em all to hell!Shaun
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posted 10-12-2000 09:51 PM PT (US) ip
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