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    Topic:   Evenin' All & Frankenstein

     Pete M
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    Hey guys. Some of you may have noticed that I've been away from the board for a couple of weeks, since I, err, have been away for a couple of weeks. But term has just started now, so I'll be back for around 10 weeks now. Just sayin' Hi to everyone, & it's good to be back.

    The other reason that I'm posting, is for a couple of things to do with a new pub that's just opened here in Edinburgh, which I just have to tell you guys about. It's called Frankenstein's, & it's in a converted church. There are loads of appropriate set-dressings & pictures around, & the atmos. is pretty cool. However, the best thing is every night at midnight. The usual pop/rock music stops, & that (Bach?) organ music from Phantom of the Opera starts. Then slowly from the ceiling, a big stretcher lowers itself. This is when the music changes again - to "The Creation" from Doyle's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, played at max. volume! The stretcher then stops halfway, & an animatronic Frankenstein's Monster sits up, looks around, & is then raised back to the ceiling. It's very cool, & I was really pleased that instead of just having random 'load, dramatic music', they actually went to the trouble of getting the RIGHT 'load, dramatic music'. And any place that plays Doyles Creation scene very load as part of it's ordinary evenings' entertainment get my vote as a top place to visit.

    Another thing that's really good about the place, is that it really makes me want to watch the '30s Frankenstein films again, which is no bad thing. I prefer Bride, & I think that maybe part of the reason might be that the original has no score (bar brief excerpts of Tchaikovsky, I think it is). Which brings me on to my next thing. A lot of old films, such as Nosferatu, Ben Hur, & Dracula have recently had new scores written for them, & I was wondering who might be a good choice (if one exists) to write a new score for Frankenstein. At first I thought maybe someone like Chris Young or Marco Beltrami might be quite cool, but I can't help but feel that their more modern styles would sound rather out of place. Can anyone think of any modern composers who would sound right doing a new Frankenstein? About the only person I can think of is James Bernard, who did such a good job on Nosferatu. And does Frankenstein actually NEED a score?

    Thoughts, anyone?

    Pete


    NP Nothing. Forgot my headphones again. And a CD to listen to too, come to thing of it. Doh!

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    posted 10-10-2000 03:01 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Sounds great! I guess the organ piece you're referring too is Bach's Toccata and Fugue.

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    posted 10-10-2000 02:35 PM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    "Does anyone know of any modern composer who has scored Frankenstein?".....Yes, I have!!
    Seriously PeteM, as a part time composer I had a go at composing music to several key scenes of the the original Frankenstein (just for fun) and ended up with about 15 mins worth of music done in the old Horror style. I have them recorded in MP3 or in midi if you want to hear any of them.

    P.S. PeteM..Can you just clarify something in your profile for me please?...It says in the "Interests" section..."Eating Pe"???..Surely thats a typing error!!..obviously it should read "Drinking" shouldn't it??? I've heard its quite healthy for you!
    Gae NP ST:Generations

    [Message edited by Gae on 10-11-2000]

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    posted 10-11-2000 02:15 PM PT (US)     

     Pete M
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    Gae - I'm not entirely sure what that Eating Pe means. I'm sure that when I wrote it it meant something (eating people, perhaps. Maybe not), but I can't remember anymore. And I haven't updated it for ages because I've been mostly doing the one in the profile section, which does make a little more sense.

    And Marian - yes, I think that is the Bach.

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    posted 10-12-2000 01:58 AM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    posted 10-12-2000 02:25 PM PT (US)     

     Bill Whitaker
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    In response to who might be best-suited to compose a brand new score for the old FRANKENSTEIN, I'd have to disagree with the notion of tapping the otherwise talented (and, happily, still productive) James Bernard. As stirring as his wonderful horror music is, it would be completely wrong for the Universal picture, at least for those who truly cherish the film. I'd suggest our own John Morgan in Hollywood. He's the last surviving link to Hans J. Salter, the man who scored many of the Universal Frankenstein sequels (THE GHOST OF FRANKENSTEIN, FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLF MAN and HOUSE OF FRANKENSTEIN). But I guess this goes without saying! I think it's a pity he wasn't tapped to do the score for Browning's DRACULA (which is available with a new score for string quartet) or THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA (which, alas, has a lackluster score composed by the usually reliable Carl Davis). So it goes!
    -- Bill Whitaker

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    posted 10-13-2000 12:17 PM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    I'd also love to have heard what our very own John Morgan would have scored to this movie!! He was very supportive and helpful in listening to the music I composed as mentioned above. I really appreciated him takin the time out for this....
    thanks John.Do you have any CDs out of your own music? (especially horror/sci-fi scores) I'd love to hear some of your work! Thanks. Gae NP The Last Starfighter

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    posted 10-13-2000 02:04 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Interesting comments there... I'm not sure either about the great James Bernard doing a score for the original Frankenstein. He created such an identifiable sound for the Hammer films that I think someone more anonymous would be a wiser choice (though it might be even wiser to leave things as they are).

    I love Bernard's score for Nosferatu on CD, but I imagine that it could be a bit disconcerting for people watching the film and seeing Max Schreck but hearing Hammer. Even the uninitiated may feel that something's odd, such was the power of the Hammer scores.

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    posted 10-13-2000 02:25 PM PT (US)     

     Bill Whitaker
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    Graham,
    I think you're probably right about leaving these things alone, at least the early Universal talkies. I wasn't entirely convinced in the much-touted string quartet score played by Kronos on DRACULA, though it was an interesting experiment. And I had a similar reaction to James Bernard's music for NOSFERATU. Seems like it ought to be something a little more Germanic, a la Max Reger in a bad mood or maybe Max Butting. Incidentally, the original score for Murnau's NOSFERATU, composed in 1922, was on a European RCA import for a while and it's not even remotely terrifying, let alone spooky. I think the composer's name was Erdmann, if I recall right, and it sounded like watered-down Mendelssohn or Schumann.

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    posted 10-13-2000 08:07 PM PT (US)     

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    I just saw the first few minutes of the 1931 Frankenstein the other night. I'd never listened to the music before, but I paid attention this time.

    The main title did nothing for me. I really didn't like it. And I couldn't find a composer credit in the list of credits at the beginning of the film. Was it Tchaikovsky as Pete M said? Yuck.

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    posted 10-15-2000 03:47 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I don't remember what it is, but both DRACULA (1931) and THE MUMMY (1932) opened with "Swan Lake." (One reason why Howard Shore hinted at "Swan Lake" in a motif for Bela Lugosi in the ED WOOD score.)

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    posted 10-15-2000 06:12 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by H Rocco:
    I don't remember what it is

    What what is? Swanlake? It's a ballet by Tchaikovsky. I haven't heard it myself, except for a short excerpt on a DVD sampler of classical music video DVDs.

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    posted 10-15-2000 08:13 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I MEANT I don't remember what the main title to FRANKENSTEIN is! "Swan Lake," I would have remembered!

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    posted 10-15-2000 08:32 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Some sources credit David Broekman (I think) as the "composer" for Frankenstein, though as far as I can remember there was only a brief piece for the main and end credits. Come on, historians!

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