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    Topic:   Movie Music for Jesus

     PeterK
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    Over in "Just Movies!" there is a pretty good discussion about Movies about Jesus (not just about the movies, either!); some discussion of the music for these films has come up, so I think it's wise to get a thread going that specifically addresses the music in the movies.

    Anyone have any specific favorites? I like Alfred Newman's The Robe quite a bit, but I want to hear it performed again (identically, if possible) using today's brilliant advances in sound recording. Perhaps Varese would do it? The quality of the recording on the original Fox release is just not good enough for as something as important and holy as this! Alternatively, Fox's liner notes were on the plus side, that's for sure.

    Anyone else?

    Jarre's Jesus of Nazareth, Rozsa's many Biblical epics, there are many!

    PeterK

    NP - "Ever After" by Fenton

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    posted 10-05-2000 01:08 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    I love most Jesus music, but the one that has a special place in my heart is Alfred Newman's The Greatest Story Ever Told. I remember being about fourteen years old and holding a tape recorder up to the TV for the wonderful end titles, heart going at about a hundred, thinking "Mr TV man, don't cut this short or make a stupid announcement." They played it all, and so I thought there must be a God.

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    posted 10-05-2000 02:10 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    Graham, I'm WITH YOU man!
    The score for The Greatest Story Ever Told MUST rank with the GREATEST musical compositions ever committed to film!
    I wish that Brian Mellies would stop in here...(ARE YOU OUT THERE, BRIAN?)
    He is an EXPERT concerning this particular Alfred Newman Masterpiece, and I have been in love with this score since first hearing it in my childhood!
    Graham, do you have the 3-CD recording?

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    posted 10-05-2000 09:44 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    I spent far more time here tonight, Peter.

    Love,
    Chris



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    posted 10-05-2000 10:04 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    As a kid, I wore out my LP of Newman’s THE
    GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. I’ve read that he was
    devastated because the director replaced a part of his music
    with Handel’s Messiah. Handel’s music was used after Jesus
    raised Lazarus from the dead. Has anyone ever heard Newman’s
    cue for that scene? What is it like?

    NP Williams Compilation (Thanks M.)

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    posted 10-05-2000 10:18 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    Oh, Joan...YOU SWEETHEART!
    You have NO IDEA how happy I am to see you here!
    Have you purchased the INCREDIBLE 3 CD SET of Alfred Newman's score for The Greatest Story Ever Told?

    Like you, I not only wore out my LP of this music...I HAD TO BUY THREE MORE LP'S TO WEAR OUT!!!

    When the 3 CD set became available a year or so ago, I snatched it RIGHT AWAY!

    Have you heard it?

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    posted 10-05-2000 10:25 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    No, I don't have the 3 CD set. But I'd better buy it quick or you'll NAG me to death. (I can't take it anymore. )
    So does it have Newman's cue that was cut from the movie? The one replaced by Handel's Messiah?

    NP High Road to China

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    posted 10-05-2000 11:07 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    Joan...you & I are FAMILY

    What's yours is mine.

    I'll mail it to you.


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    posted 10-05-2000 11:20 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Yes, Joan, we'd better get that soon before we get nagged to death by Chris! The truth is out! I have not got the 3 CD set, though I do have the LP, if that helps, Mr K!

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    posted 10-06-2000 01:43 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    Well *I* don't have "The Greatest Story Ever Told" in ANY shape or form! I haven't even HEARD it! I haven't even SEEN it!!! And what's more, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon! Cuz I've got too many other things to buy! SO THERE!!!

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    posted 10-06-2000 01:50 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Wedge, I double dare you to look at the tracklistings:
    http://www.moviemusic.com/title.asp?id=greateststoryevertold

    Double double dare!

    PeterK

    NP - "Highlander: Endgame"

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    posted 10-06-2000 02:58 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    It is an imperfect movie, Wedge, but it has PERFECT music. The theme for Jesus is gorgeous. Rent the movie and then ASK for the CD's for Christmas.

    NP Rambo II

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    posted 10-06-2000 03:12 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    It's not necessarily Jesus related, though I've been inclined to mention it, and so now I am: Elmer Bernstein's "The Ten Commandments." All of you know how good this one is, so I won't go into all the details. But hey, if you haven't heard it, check it out. It's one of (if not THE) *GREATEST* Biblical film score of our time.

    Jeron

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    posted 10-06-2000 07:05 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Why do you think so, Jeron? I disagree with you, but I don't know if I disagree completely or only a weeeny little bit. You can't just say somethin's the *GREATEST* and then run fer them hills. Tell me a bit more, and I think I'll know how to respond, thank ya.

    PeterK

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    posted 10-06-2000 09:36 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Why do you gotta go and do that to me, PK? It's a personal opinion, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me... though I do recommend it in full force. I think that Bernstein's score is one of the greatest Biblical scores to date simply because it underscores a truly dynamic film (for its time) that went above the call of duty to accurately tell the story of Moses.

    The score carries the film magnificently, with a handful of thematic motifs that blow me away everytime I listen to them. I'm not attempting to discount Alfred's "The Greatest Story Ever Told," as that would just be a film music sin. That and other greats, such as the ones mentioned throughout this thread are definitely awesome - and I can in no way rank them in any order. It's just whatever floats your boat. For me, Bernstein hit the nail on the head and turned out a timeless score that is keyword: ONE of the greatest Biblical film scores of our time.

    Jeron

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    posted 10-06-2000 10:57 PM PT (US)     

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    I love the music to Ben Hur, Greatest Story Ever Told,
    King of Kings, and others written for religious films.
    Bernstein’s The Ten Commandments would rate in my
    top10 for this type of music. I find it amazing that he
    created such an epic score at such a young age with little
    film scoring experience. His majestic theme for the
    parting of the Red Sea and his Exodus themes are heraldic.
    His music for The Burning Bush/God evokes a spiritual deity
    and reverence. His love theme, tragic motifs, and action passages
    segue tightly with the screen visuals. I think this will always
    be a score considered one of his greatest achievements.
    I know some don’t care for it, but it is a personal
    favorite of mine.

    NP Stripes


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    posted 10-07-2000 03:19 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Well said, mom! I completely agree. Take that, Peter! Mwahahahaha.

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    posted 10-07-2000 03:48 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    The word 'Exodus' in Mom's post above made me think what Ernest Gold could have done with a big religous epic?

    Anybody here think of anybody else they would like to have seen (sorry...HEARD!) do a big biblical epic?....

    I'll tell you two...

    John Barry...in his Lion In Winter mode.

    ...and Basil Poledouris...a man more than capable to the task!

    np : Nt'ng I'm off t'bed....g'night y'all!

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    posted 10-07-2000 07:15 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Ok, Ok. Maybe I was disagreeing outright because I wasn't focused. I was remaining true to "music for Jesus," and I couldn't think of anything in The Ten Commandments that reminded me of the life of Jesus. Uh, duh? The movie wasn't about him.

    Alright, so I still think, if you compared both The Ten Commandments with my favorite Jesus score, King of Kings, I would have to place Kings on top. They both have a zillion themes, that's for sure, but so do lots of movies. That doesn't necessarily make them better scores. Because I personally feel Rozsa was more dedicated to finding the right historical and emotional moments in his music (as a whole) than any other composer, the power the imagery and music in King of Kings is unbeatable.

    Just as an example, take Rozsa's main theme for Kings. In all of the defining moments of Christ's life, Rozsa's treatment of the music is miraculously fused into the picture. Sure, it's a large theme and takes on rentlentless power as the soldiers prepare the Cross for Christ's death, but in those more telling moments of Christ's life, Rozsa's quiet use of the theme delivers in a way that can only be imitated in the future, never bettered: The solo oboe over strings as Christ's eyes meet John the Baptist's in the Jordan; when Jesus looks at the disciple Peter after his three-fold denial.

    Need I say more, other than to rent this film and watch these scenes? Remarkable. King of Kings is the best Jesus film score.

    PeterK

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    posted 10-07-2000 07:51 PM PT (US)     

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    You know, several months ago, I found an unplayed copy of the old 2-LP deluxe set of "King of Kings", but I was waiting to play it until I could do a high-quality transfer to CD-R. Then I found the 75 min. CD issue. I bought them both on faith in Miklos Rozsa. But I was leaving home at the time, and never actually had time to listen to the CD. Next time I'm home I'll be sure to dig it out.

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    posted 10-07-2000 08:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Rozsa's King of Kings is truly a miracle. I think it has one of the most beautiful, bone-melting themes ever written. His version of The Lord's Prayer is also one of my favorites. Give it a listen, Wedge. You won't regret a minute spent with this spiritual music.

    NP the drone of TV

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    posted 10-07-2000 10:07 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Where can one find a good, respectful release of King of Kings?

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    posted 10-07-2000 10:30 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    PeterK,

    one could argue that even the Ten Commandmends had something to do with Jesus.


    Scott

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    posted 10-08-2000 01:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Scott, I guess you could, but Ten Commandments had less to do with Jesus than Ben Hur did, in keeping with films centered on Jesus.

    I'm amazed Rozsa took the King of Kings job when he did, because he had just completed Ben Hur. In Kings, he was faced with rescoring specific scenes from the same story, namely the Nativity, the Passion of Christ and the Resurrection. Of course, James Horner would've taken the easy way out here, but Miklos Rozsa would not. He was thankful the film was made in a different location - Spain - and was able to write his score there. This helped him think differently, as he says in the Varese release of the score's re-recording.

    Shows his commitment. His genius is that he wrote Kings in a month -- with Ben Hur, he had 18!

    PeterK

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    posted 10-08-2000 01:46 PM PT (US)     

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    I remember an interview he gave some twenty years ago: Rozsa said that he told producers "I'm not fast. I write two minutes a day. That's what you'll be getting." Not arrogantly, just warningly.

    So by that schedule, he might have produced an hour's of music inside a month (no doubt more, but I don't know how much music is in the film.)

    It IS a pretty tight schedule compared to 18 months! What would that come out to, ten minutes a month?

    James Horner has claimed to have written KRULL in two weeks (or is it ten days?) ...

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    posted 10-08-2000 01:57 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    Last I heard, it was down to the amount of time it took to walk from his barber's to the local fish & chips.

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    posted 10-08-2000 03:56 PM PT (US)     

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    "I couldn't think of anything in The Ten Commandments that reminded me of the life of Jesus. Uh, duh? The movie wasn't about him."

    PeterK, I KNOW that you want me to stay ON-TOPIC, and discuss only music here, but this is a piece of BAIT you have tossed my way that is nearly impossible for me to ignore!

    It is a commonly held belief that The Saviour Jesus Christ makes His first appearance in the New Testament Book of Matthew.

    Not so.

    JESUS APPEARS in each and every one of the Old Testament Books from Genesis through Malachi!

    For the sake of brevity, I will only tell you about His appearance in The Ten Commandments.

    He is the Cross on the Passover Door.
    His Redeeming Blood was applied to the doorpost of each of God's Children before the Exodus.
    The blood was applied to the left, right and top of the doorway, forming the Sign of the Cross.
    He is The Passover Lamb. The Hebrew Children were instructed to slaughter only the most perfect lambs, to roast the bodies, and to consume every morsel of them, allowing not one bit to remain unconsumed.
    That was the foreshadowing of what was to occur in the life of Jesus.

    Also: The Hebrew name of Joshua (Moses' partner), is "Yeshua", translated...JESUS.

    HE'S IN THERE!

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    posted 10-12-2000 09:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Here's another vote for Alfred Newman's The Greatest Story Ever Told. An obvious choice perhaps, but obviously for good reason.

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    posted 10-13-2000 04:41 AM PT (US)     

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    Does anyone think that there's a big difference between the score which Elmer Bernstein wrote for The Ten Commandments and everything else which came after?

    I'd group Bernstein's contribution along with the kind of thing that maybe Victor Young would have done in the late 40s/early 50s as opposed to the later Rozsa and Newman works.

    I don't know, I don't want any hate mail for this, but The Ten Commandments sounds to me rather dated and corny. The perfect accompaniment to a Cecil B. De Mille cartoon as opposed to the marginally more mature tone of Wyler and Stevens...

    Hey, stop throwing those virtual beer glasses at me! I love you all!

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    posted 10-13-2000 02:47 PM PT (US)     

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    I can identify with your assessment, Graham. DeMille was far more theatrical in his cinematic style than either Wyler or Stevens. Every movement and line of dialogue is Larger Than Life...this may have been due to having cut his teeth in the Silent Era.
    If you look at certain sequences in The Ten Commandments, such as the parting of the Red Sea, it is filmed exactly like a silent movie! As the sea is about to part, check out that one shot with the three women: they are posed like a still-life painting against the thunderclouds, something that only a silent film director would do. Bernstein's score perfectly defines DeMille's Spectacle style. Dated, maybe. Corny? I dunno. I guess it's a matter of taste. I love corn when it's well done.



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    posted 10-13-2000 03:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Chris, well said. I love corn when it's well done, too - though I typically cut if off the cob so it doesn't get stuck between my teeth.

    [Message edited by Jeron on 10-13-2000]

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    posted 10-13-2000 03:18 PM PT (US)     

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    Jeron, to each his own.
    There is something so sensational and absolutely unique about sinking your teeth into a freshly cooked ear of corn that is unparalleled in the dining experience.
    Besides...that's what dental floss is for!

    Now we're REALLY off-topic!

    GRAHAM! This is all YOUR fault!



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