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    Topic:   Morricone Help

     Andrew
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    Hello, I am starting to get into Ennio Morricone, I have The Good, The Bad and the Ugly and The Untouchables. I have heard the main theme of The Mission, i liked it(is the rest of that score as good). So, what should i get next of Morricone's?


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    posted 09-25-2000 01:31 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    A Fistful of Dollars and For A Few Dollars More, if you ask me. I have both of them plus Once Upon a Time in the West (another must-have) on a double CD set, but there's a more complete version of OUaTitW out there, too.

    And I'm not even a really big Morricone fan.

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    posted 09-25-2000 01:52 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Although the set Marian recommends might be a better deal financially, YOU MUST get the import version (with 7 unreleased cues). The sound is superb, leagues beyond the original RCA release (which should have had a credit for "Hiss by:"). The main theme from The Mission is great, but personally, I think the rest of the score is crap. That's just me, though.

    Shaun

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    posted 09-25-2000 02:06 PM PT (US)     

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    Don't listen to Shaun - "The Mission" is a MUST for any Morricone fan. Of course, that's just MY opinion. The rest of the score may not be quite as good as the main theme, but it's definitely not crap. In fact, if I had to choose only of my Morricone scores to keep, that'd be it.

    You should also check out "The Legend of 1900," and even though the movie flopped, I really like his work on "Mission to Mars."

    NP: John Williams: "The Patriot"

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    posted 09-25-2000 05:18 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Hey, I said that it was just me! I also think that The Mission's theme far outshines the rest of the underscore. I'm a much bigger fan of the "weird" Morricone stuff that's harder to find. Try The Thriller Collection (a 2-for-1) for a big chunk of that stuff.

    Shaun

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    posted 09-25-2000 05:22 PM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    Morricone is the best, but it's difficult to keep up with everything he composed and was released on CD just because he created more than 300 movie scores...

    These are the ones I have:

    1) TWO MULES FOR SISTER SARA (1970) - for those who don't believe an orchestra can sound like a donkey... [**]

    2) ORCA (1977) - features one of the most beautiful and melancholic themes I've ever heard! [****]

    3) THE HUMANOID (L'UMANOIDE) (1978) - I'm the only one who saw this unbelievable Z-trash Italian copy of "Star Wars" (and I saw it at theaters!!)?? The music (very similar in style to "MISSION TO MARS") is unbelievable cheesy and out of place, but I LOVE IT!! [***]

    3) DAYS IN HEAVEN (1979) - Never saw the movie. Beautiful theme. Sad score. [***]

    4) AMANTI D'OLTRETOMBA (NIGHTMARE CASTLE) - the theme is nice, but the rest... don't blame me! It comes togheter with THE HUMANOID... (**)

    5) THE THING (1982) - cold, inhuman, creepy... and perfect! [****]

    6) SAHARA (1983) - Again a beautiful theme and some very funny musical interludes. But the action cues are bore. [***]

    7) ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA (1984) - Both movie and score are masterpieces. Easely among the top 10 of all times. [*****]

    8) THE MISSION (1986) - my favorite. The the "On Earth as it is in Heaven" makes me feel close to God. The last track "Miserere" always give me gosepumbs. [*****]

    9) SECRET OF THE SAHARA (1987) - sweeping, breathtaking and even haunting some times. [****]

    10) THE UNTOUCHABLES (1987) - the first (and best to date) colaboration between Morricone and DePalma. [****]

    11) RAMPAGE (1987) - a very obscure and sinister score for a movie I've never seem. I can't tell why, but I like this score a lot... [***]

    12) CINEMA PARADISO (1989) - the movie of my life. Morricone's score was the first one that actualy made me cry while listening it at home! Another masterpiece. [*****]

    13) CASUALTY OF WAR (1989) - the choral cue is great, but the rest is a little repetitive altough very eficient within the movie. [**1/2]

    14) STANO TUTI BENE (EVERYBODY'S FINE) (1990) - colaborations between Morricone and Tornatore are always something to look forth. This is no different. [****]

    15) CITY OF JOY (1992) - the main theme is very similar to "The Mission". [***]

    16) WOLF (1994) - altought there are some beautiful moments, most of this score follows the course of the movie, i.e., lame and bore. [**]

    17) DISCLOSURE (1995) - unbelievable bore and shallow score for the unbelievable and shallow movie starring Demi Moore. The first cue is nice. That's it. (*)

    18) A PURE FORMALITY (1996) - incredible haunting score for one of the most intriguing movies I've ever seem. The cue "Ricordare" ("Remember"), sung by Gerard Depardieu, is breathtaking. [*****]

    19) L'UOMO DEL STELLI (THE STAR MAKER) (1997) - this is a real gem. Altough the movie isn't at the same level as "Cinema Paradiso" and "Formality", the score is brilliant: comic at first then turning into high melancholy at the end. [****1/2]]

    20) U-TURN (1998) - this is realy bizarre and inventive score. Only for those who saw Oliver Stone's insane flick. [***1/2]

    21) LOLITA (1998) - the score capctures perfectly the sad and sickly ambience of the story. [***1/2}

    22) BULWORTH (1998) - features only two cues: 1) a 17:49 minutes suite of the beautiful arrangements of the theme, with vocals and 2) some suspense music that runs for 23:41 minutes and makes you feel the need to put something else to play. Almost nothing of this score ended in the movie. [***]

    23) MISSION TO MARS (2000) - higly original and unexpected, this is the kind of score that makes teenagers who expected another "Star Wars" kind of score for this new sci/fi movie very angry. Nevertheless, it's brilliant, specially the first two cues and number 9, "Where?". [*****]


    And I got a double CD compilation called "THE ENNIO MORRICONE ANTHOLOGY - A Fistfullof Film Music".

    It features 25 of his most famous themes for movies, being the first from 1964 "A Fistful of Dollars". I think this compilation is great for those who are trying to "get" the Morricone way of film music, not only because you'll find some incredible famous music (from "The Mission", "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", "The Untouchables", etc...) but also some very intriguing and unbelievable cues from such obscure movies like "Duck, You Sucker" (the Main Title is just gorgeous), "Navajo Joe", "Dedicated to the Argean Sea" (a women having an orgasm at your stereo!!) and so many others...!!

    Hope it helps...



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    posted 09-25-2000 05:40 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I certainly wouldn't have expected a post by YOU to look like it was D2's!

    NP: Toy Story (Randy Newman)

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    posted 09-25-2000 05:53 PM PT (US)     

     Patrick
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    I would add Five Man Army, Guns for San Sebastian, The Hills Run Red, Vamos A Matar Companeros, My Name is Nobody(Il Mio Nome E Nessuno), The Big Gundown, Moses,Una Pistola Per Ringo, Exorcist II The Heretic to Andre's list. (Nice List Andre!!)

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    posted 09-25-2000 08:07 PM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    While the choral passage of "Ave Maria Guarani" is a tough listen, and the prevalent usage of the panpipe gets tiring after awhile, Morricone's score for THE MISSION is something very special, containing some of the most beautiful and heartfelt music these ears have heard.

    [Message edited by Rang on 09-25-2000]

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    posted 09-25-2000 08:50 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    If you go to CDNow or another on-line store, you will find a 2 volume set of Morricone themes. Morricone Vol. 1-Film Music & Morricone Vol. 2-Film Music (on Virgin or Epic records I believe). CDNow has them for $11.49 each plus postage. Together they are a great collection of Morricone themes from the basic 4 types of EM scores--the spaghetti western sound, a lush romantic orchestral sound, dissonant music for horror films, a light pop for soft core sex films. The CDs include the best cues from The Mission, Once Upon A Time in America, Moses the Lawgiver, Fear in the City, and others. I honestly think this would be your best bet for your next Morricone purchase.

    Another very good and inexpensive EM CD is the Legendary Italian Westerns CD which includes suites from Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, as well as 7 Guns for the MacGregors and Once Upon A Time in the West.

    After those, I'd recommend the complete soundtracks to:

    A Fistful of Dynamite/Duck, You Sucker/Giu La Testa (actually this is my personal favorite of the Morricone western scores)

    Once Upon A Time in the West

    the Pistol for Ringo/Return of Ringo/Death Rides a Horse CD

    Five Man Army

    Two Mules for Sister Sara

    La Grande Silenzio

    And, I'd have to agree with others about:

    The Thing, Orca, and Mission to Mars and a few of the others that were mentioned.

    And while neither of these are top tier Morricone, the romantic Butterfly and sword & sandal epic Hundra, are available on Laserlight CDs for about $6 each, providing yet another inexpensive way to taste more EM.

    [Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 09-25-2000]

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    posted 09-25-2000 08:51 PM PT (US)     

     PeterD
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    Would add "Burn!" and "The Sicilian Clan" -- but don't know if either was ever released on CD; I only have them on LP.

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    posted 09-25-2000 09:18 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    PeterD--Both Burn and The Sicilian Clan are available on CD.

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    posted 09-25-2000 09:58 PM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    quote:

    BULWORTH (1998) ... Almost nothing of this score ended in the movie.

    That's not exactly true. Quite a bit of the score appears in the film, but only in 20 to 40 second cues. In fact, it was after seeing the film that made me rush out and buy the album. I was quite taken by the fact that there was a vocalist that sounded just like Edda Dell'Orso. When I opened the album and read the credits, I was ecstatic to find that it was Edda Dell'Orso.

    Although I really hate rap, I thought that the way that the music was used in the film was rather appropriate (if you watch the end credits, you'll hear that Morricone's score is used between fragments of rap songs); I would not be surprised if the two suites that appeared on the album were exactly what Morricone composed for the film for Beatty to drop in where he saw fit. This is a more common practice in Europe than it is in the United States.

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    posted 09-26-2000 06:47 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    I'm going to retract my comments regarding The Mission. I guess I was just disappointed that "On Earth As It Is In Heaven" isn't used more frequently in the score. Gave it another chance today, and I'm glad I did.

    Sorry for the negativity, Big E!

    Shaun

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    posted 09-26-2000 10:39 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    That's better, Shaun ... I was astonished you didn't like that one better, although I too wished there were more references to "As Earth ..."

    'ey, what happened to that EXORCIST II you promised me just to shut me up?

    I am also extremely fond of Morricone's scores for MARCO POLO (TV miniseries, 1982) and THE ISLAND (much of the score not used in the 1980 film, but the Varese LP is good -- I wish SOMEONE would put this out on CD, it can't be in LESS demand than some of the other obscurata in Morricone's filmography)

    Thanks for mentioning "The Thriller Collection," which sounds more like the kind of thing I enjoy hearing from him, myself. I may have noticed it for sale, but am mistrustful of the Morricone collections generally (too much repeated stuff! A record producer friend of mine told me that one of his dream projects would have to be a Morricone compilation consisting ONLY of stuff that had never been released! That seems to happen precious rarely ...)

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    posted 09-27-2000 10:08 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Rocco, where the hell ARE you? Send me an address and you'll have your PRECIOUS Exorcist II/Island disc!

    Shaun

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    posted 09-27-2000 11:40 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    I find the DRG collections, such as The Thriller Collection to be excellent... they are two full discs for the price of one.

    ...and yes, I saw Revolver at the Tower Records at 590 Madison Avenue. I don't understand how people can live anywhere else...

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    posted 09-27-2000 06:57 PM PT (US)     

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    If you can find it I would also reccomend NoveCento (1900) it is for a massive film (5 Hours)that he did with Bernardo Bertolucci in 1977 that had short release in 1991. It is beautiful and as easily as good as The Mission or Cinema Paradiso. I think it is available as an import.

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    posted 10-01-2000 04:40 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I will add Moses the Lawgiver here.


    great score. I only have the LP, and am gonna track down the 2CD set.


    NP -- The Matrix

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