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    Topic:   New FSM CD

     JJH
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    anybody heard these, and have an opinion? I haven't, and don't.

    thanks

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    FILM SCORE MONTHLY releases The UNDEFEATED & HOMBRE

    Two Classic 1960s Western Scores on One CD

    Film Score Monthly has rescued from oblivion two vintage western scores
    from the 20th Century Fox archives: The Undefeated by Hugo Montenegro
    and Hombre by David Rose, two composers seldom represented on CD for
    their film score work.

    In the late 1960s, America's most popular and enduring genre went nova.
    This was, to say the least, a final burst of freaky creativity -- good
    and bad -- from a fading genre, bringing revisionism, surrealism,
    dinosaurs, and even Elvis Presley to the "cowboy" movie. The western was
    undergoing radical change and experimentation, and we present two
    never-before-available scores from that period: Both were produced by
    20th Century-Fox with top-line casts: John Wayne and Rock Hudson in The
    Undefeated; Paul Newman and a sturdy ensemble in Hombre.

    The Undefeated is a sprawling escapist western involving Civil War
    factions, Mexican politics, bandits, mustangs and brawls -- typical Duke
    fare, but with updated scope and ambitions. The score, by Hugo
    Montenegro, is a long, showy score steeped in tradition yet with a pop
    gleam in its eye; it features reams of deceptively simple yet memorable
    thematic material. Its terrific main theme could easily be at home in a
    modern-day NFL broadcast.

    In contrast, Hombre is a sober portrait of human interaction and
    prejudice, re-teaming Newman with a filmmaker of great deliberate craft,
    director Martin Ritt. David Rose, who scored pop song hits with "The
    Stripper" and "Holiday for Strings" wrote a short, sparse score that we
    have collected into longer suite-form tracks; the music presents a
    meaningful and melodic echo of the story's quiet deliberations.

    Together, these scores add up to over an hour of music in stereo. Along
    with a bonus "mystery track", this CD stands as a tribute to two
    distinguished, prolific but underrepresented musicians -- and a
    snapshot of their memorable contributions to the western's last days.



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    posted 09-20-2000 05:05 AM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    It's been a while, but I remember Hombre for an interesting reason: it was the very first video I ever recorded (and therefore owned). I had just come home with my own brand new Sony VCR (it was an 8mm VCR), and I had only two blank tapes... nothing to watch yet. So that evening came Hombre and I taped it. There was not a whole lot of music in the movie and I don't remember any particular part about it right now, but I am looking forward to get the music. Most likely I'll recognize it once I hear it again.

    NP: Roy Webb Cat People
    Slovak Radio Symphony Orchestra/Stromberg
    (Marco Polo)

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    posted 09-20-2000 08:15 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    For FSM's sake, I hope the lukewarm response to this thread will not be mirrored in their sales figures ... this feels like the biggest gamble they've taken since the Gerald Fried double CD (which is terrific, by the by.)

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    posted 09-20-2000 09:03 AM PT (US)     

     JClark
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    I'll be getting this album. I love THE UNDEFEATED as a movie; its comic elements have made it a favorite with me and my father for some time. I don't particularly recall the music, but this is one album I buy for sentimental, more than musical, reasons.

    HRocco makes a good point about the riskiness of this release. I think it's still too early to be pigeonholing FSM (and the recent releases of THE OMEGA MAN, GUIDE FOR THE MARRIED MAN and BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES bear this out), but I hope they don't spend the next two years diluting their "brand" by continuously releasing "Silver Age" westerns. I bought STAGECOACH/THE LONER a couple of years ago, was vaguely disappointed, and haven't bought another FSM western until this one. But there have been surprisingly many of them, seemingly at the expense of more Golden Age releases (which have all been fabulous). I wonder whether this "trend" is a function of the availability of music from Fox.

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    posted 09-20-2000 09:37 AM PT (US)     

     rfeigels
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    Can't speak for Hombre, but UNDEFEATED is great fun. If you like western scores (and big western scores) and don't want something that sounds like a Bernstein knock-off, then you have to get this.

    It's very worthwhile and I hope people take a chance with it.

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    posted 09-20-2000 09:58 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    JClark,
    So you haven't purchased 100 Rifles OR Rio Conchos? I can understand your disappointment with Stagecoach/The Loner (though I love the theme from the latter), as they're Goldsmith weakest western scores. BUT---100 Rifles and Rio Conchos are two of the best. In fact, they ARE the best! Get them immediately!

    Shaun

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    posted 09-20-2000 10:45 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES 100 RIFLES

    and RIO CONCHOS is pretty cool too!

    STAGECOACH/THE LONER is the most laid-back of the Goldsmith Western albums I've heard, and therefore atypical. Goldsmith largely eschewed action writing for STAGECOACH, at least that's what I remember the liner notes saying (don't have my copy at hand right now.)

    NP: I think I'll throw on 100 RIFLES

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    posted 09-20-2000 11:02 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    But that's 120 RIFLES, Rocco!

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    posted 09-20-2000 11:11 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    and I would just add that Take a Hard Ride, The Comancheros, and Monte Walsh are pretty good, too.


    NP -- The Minus Man, Beltrami

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    posted 09-20-2000 12:00 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Well, Marian, given that the 100 RIFLES album includes a few bonus mono tracks, maybe that's appropriate! (You're right though, I did lose count.)

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    posted 09-20-2000 12:04 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    And I still have to get all those FSM discs. So far, I only have the first Williams CD. I need Prince Valiant, I'm curious for the Rosenman discs, and although I never heard most of them, I have the feeling that I can't live in peace before I get all the Goldsmith scores. Anyone got too much money?

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    posted 09-20-2000 03:45 PM PT (US)     

     PeterD
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    Conveniently, American Movie Classics is showing THE UNDEFEATED on Sept. 25, and again on Oct. 13 and 25. It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I do sort of vaguely remember it having a kind of nice main theme.

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    posted 09-20-2000 05:51 PM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    I agree that everybody must pick up 100 Rifles and Rio Conchos immediately!

    Take a Hard Ride is pretty good, too.

    I've been wanting to pick up Monte Walsh, Prince Valliant, and Tora!, but the wallet has kept me from doing so. I'll (hopefully) get them eventually.

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    posted 09-21-2000 12:06 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    PeterD brings up a point:


    Poseidon Adventure CD came out, the film airs on AMC a couple months later.

    Fantastic Voyage CD comes out; the film airs a few months later, also on AMC

    Comancheros CD comes out; and all they do is air the film

    All About Eve comes out; and they show it on TV

    Prince of Foxes CD comes out, and they show THAT one...

    and now with the Undefeated, the film will get some airplay as FSM releases a new CD.


    is there some sort of pattern here?


    NP -- Assassin(s), Carter Burwell

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    posted 09-21-2000 06:30 PM PT (US)     

     rfeigels
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JJH:
    PeterD brings up a point:


    Poseidon Adventure CD came out, the film airs on AMC a couple months later.

    Fantastic Voyage CD comes out; the film airs a few months later, also on AMC

    Comancheros CD comes out; and all they do is air the film

    All About Eve comes out; and they show it on TV

    Prince of Foxes CD comes out, and they show THAT one...

    and now with the Undefeated, the film will get some airplay as FSM releases a new CD.


    is there some sort of pattern here?


    NP -- [b]Assassin(s)
    , Carter Burwell[/B]


    Don't forget about GUIDE FOR THE MARRIED MAN.

    Coincidence? Or is it just that AMC keeps running the same movies over and over again?

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    posted 09-22-2000 02:33 PM PT (US)     

     LRobHubbard
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    Just got this in the mail today... on the whole, it's a really solid disc that I normally wouldn't have picked up if I'd just saw it in the store. I've seen both films only partially, so nothing musically really stuck in my head regarding them.

    I'm familiar with both Montenegro and Rose's television work - Montegnegro always struck me as a dilittente, for some reason; I'd never heard much of his film work - UNDEFEATED does make me want to reverse that thinking; the sound is big, but not quite 'epic'... best description that comes to mind is a melding of Bernstein/Moross with some slight pop overtones.

    David Rose is mostly known for THE STRIPPER and BONANZA/LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE/HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN; I know he did other albums (he got mentioned a lot in the 'Elevator Music/Cocktail Nation subculture that was the rage 5-6 years ago) - HOMBRE is worlds away from that side. I'll have to take a few more listens.

    I was fairly lukewarm about the titles when announced, but this was a nice surprise; FSM has yet to make a misstep in their selection of titles (which means probably giving them a lot of my money in backordering the earlier titles).

    Regarding the 'mystery track' - could possibly be some music for LOST IN SPACE (not composed by Williams, possibly).

    The FSM/AMC connection - just from looking over past titles, and some slight remarks in the mags, I thought it was fairly evident that Lukas & Co. apparently have some sort of deal w/the Fox people (which is not a BAD thing at all, considering what's been salvagable from their archives). There's a big hint about the upcoming disc in FSM's enclosed letter, that may make a lot of people happy. (I could be wrong, but the clue is fairly obvious, especially factoring in Fox pictures and shows in the 60's - could be a Riddle) ;\

    Off the subject, I came across an odd item - apparently someone has bootlegged FSM's TAKING OF PELHAM 1-2-3 onto vinyl lp - a record shop in San Francisco has copies.

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    posted 09-22-2000 06:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Roger Feigelson wrote:
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    Coincidence? Or is it just that AMC keeps running the same movies over and over again?


    perhaps, but certainly my awareness of some movies has greatly improved by my acquisition of many of FSM's fine CDs. Perhaps that's all it is.


    NP -- Bruckner, Symphony No. 7 in E Major



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    posted 09-22-2000 06:56 PM PT (US)     

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    Undefeated always struck me as a Wayne score. Frontiere scored the 12 O'Clock High TV scores;let him have his day!

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