why doesn't Williams list the orchestrators on his albums (with the exception of Nixon of course)?

yes, Spencer is listed in the Star Wars cds, but those are special editions were Williams really wasn't the excecutive producer.

I am talking about the infos on the cds, not the credits at the end of a film. There the orchestrators are always featured.

Here are the albums that Williams has listed his orchestrators:

The Star Wars Trilogy
Star Wars Episode One:The Phantom Menace
Nixon (which was the first one to do it)
The Patriot (which glaringly omitts orchestration credits for Mark McKenzie and gives them solely to John Neufeld)
Amistad
The Lost World
Seven Years In Tibet
Saving Private Ryan
Stepmom
Angela's Ashes
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Monsignor

you are not talking about the cd covers you are talking about the movie credits?

Isn't it a law that all who participated in a movie must be menitoned in the end credits?

I disagree with you about your comment of Williams being the composer he is because of the orchestrators. It is well known that both Williams and Goldsmith write such detailed sketches that all the orchestrator is really doing is copying the whole thing and writing it out. In other words, the scores are orchestrated exactly as the composer wants them to be.

Cole,

yes, Williams orchestrated some of his own stuff, for example Space Camp was orchestrated by him. Don't know about Schindler's list. Perhaps also Stanley and Iris.

Monsignor was a bootleg.

Scott, there are contractual agreements with film credits, but no, there's no law saying everyone must recieve screen credit unless it's a union thing.

Think about something: there's a large group of people that do something that we concern ourselves with greatly on this board, and their names are almost never listed in the credits of a film.

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I have heard about the fact that Mark McKenzie did some orchestration for The Patriot, and is listed in the end credits but not on the album, while John Nuefeld is.

Is it possible that John Nuefeld orchestrated the score for Williams, but was not available for certain sessions, forcing Williams to get somebody else... in this case Nuefeld?

This would account for why McKenzie would not be listed in the album credits... the album was probably assembled before scoring was completed and McKenzie was hired.

Monsignor was a bootleg.

Scott, there are contractual agreements with film credits, but no, there's no law saying everyone must recieve screen credit unless it's a union thing.

Think about something: there's a large group of people that do something that we concern ourselves with greatly on this board, and their names are almost never listed in the credits of a film.

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I have heard about the fact that Mark McKenzie did some orchestration for The Patriot, and is listed in the end credits but not on the album, while John Nuefeld is.

Is it possible that John Nuefeld orchestrated the score for Williams, but was not available for certain sessions, forcing Williams to get somebody else... in this case Nuefeld?

This would account for why McKenzie would not be listed in the album credits... the album was probably assembled before scoring was completed and McKenzie was hired.

Whoops, sorry about the double post, there was a glitch when I did it.

John Nuefeld is not a psuedonym, he's also orchestrated scores for James Horner and other composers.

sorry I brought the subject up. Wow.

Hmmm...

I don't know, it seems we are kinda talking passed each other.

Let me see if I can put some clearity here:

Hard Target, you must be talking about the end credits at the end of the movies. If that is so, you are correct.
If you however are taling about the cd-inserts, you are wrong, the only one I know that lists the orchestrator is Nixon.

I have seen the Patriot. I have read the end credits. Mark McKenzie's name does not appear. Yet Neufeld's name appears. Why mention one and leave out the other? Does that make sense?
Unless I hear it from Jeron after he talks with McKenzie himself I will not find this factual. Now, I don't care if he did do some of the orchestrations or not, I just would like to keep in withing the parameter's of truth. Even on websites mistakes happen, certain Williams websites are loaded with them.

if that is the case than either he has albums that are totally different from the ones I got, or he is just wrong.

It could also be that I am just blind.