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    Topic:   The Hitch 'o' Cockiness

     DjC
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    I am one of the few/many, who respect good old Hitchcock for his technique, but hate most of his films. He did forever change things, in style, in tech.,in subject, but I have a major problem with his pacing. The man does not understand the word pacing, for his films have none. I can stand the most boring films ever created, but I cannot stand Hitch's pace. The only film of his that I liked enough to say I liked it, was Rear Window. ALL of his other films I would would label, "suck". I know what I am saying is hideous, and could be called blasphemous, but I cannot stand his films. BUT I do respect his technique, and his ways.

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    posted 09-02-2000 03:15 PM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    Blasphemer! Heretic! Unbeliever!

    (Come on Brian, let's go to the stoning)...

    I might not agree with you about Hitchcock and his films, but I do in principle. It's all about personal tastes. I find his films fascinating, but also do like like each and every one of them.

    Everyone has a director who they can't "get into." Kubrick is another fine example of a master filmmaker who engenders his own following of rabid fans. I like his work, but some of it is "not for me." I didn't see Eyes Wide Shut mainly because it didn't interest me in the least. I have seen most of his other films, and they are among some of my favorites.

    Kevin

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    posted 09-02-2000 03:36 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    "The man does not understand the word pacing, for his films have none."

    Wow, DjC!
    That's an incredibly large blanket you're throwing over Hitch's entire body of work! There are certainly high and low points in his portfolio, but to declare that ALL of his films are devoid of pacing truly IS erroneous. Opinions aside, you damage your credibility by making such a statement.

    "The only film of his that I liked enough to say I liked it, was Rear Window. ALL of his other films I would would label, "suck"."

    If you were limiting your "suck" label to such Hitchcock misfires as The Paradine Case, Topaz or Torn Curtain, I could agree with you completely. Badly paced, talky, boring stuff, with only mere glimpses of the Hitchcock style peeking through. But for you to extend it into such classic work as Saboteur, Lifeboat, Strangers On A Train, The Lady Vanishes, The 39 Steps, North By Northwest and Psycho is unjustified. Many of his masterpieces are BRILLIANTLY paced!

    "I know what I am saying is hideous, and could be called blasphemous, but I cannot stand his films. BUT I do respect his technique, and his ways."

    Have you seen any of Hitch's silent films?
    His technique grew out of the pre-sound era, so if you're not familiar with movies from that time, you may not appreciate his style or structure.

    You probably just do not like Hitchcock movies. Period. It isn't necessary to say that they all "suck", because that's not the truth. You just don't like them. A lot of people don't like Pablo Picasso's paintings. They're weird looking. But anyone who says that they "suck" demonstrates their lack of understanding of art history and painting technique.


    NP:Obsession Herrmann

    [This message has been edited by Chris Kinsinger (edited 02 September 2000).]

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    posted 09-02-2000 08:33 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    Couldn't say it better, Chris.

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    posted 09-02-2000 08:57 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    No one's mentioned his own re-make of The Man Who Knew Too Much? It's buh-rilliant! What an ending. And how he ties Bernard Herrmann into the concert climax. I can only repeat myself... Buh-rilliant!

    Not to mention that it stars the great James Stewart- in my opinion, the most talented actor I've seen.



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    posted 09-02-2000 09:18 PM PT (US)     

     DjC
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    Just because some put Hitch in the master, god of film category does not force me to believe so. Yes it is just my opinion, and I know many that gree with me, BUT, lol, I stand by my statements. A revolutionary, maybe, a master of technique maybe, but best films of all time, no way. I have seen probably 95% of Hitchy's films, and I have only liked one. Maybe it is because of the films i grew up with, but Hitchy's pacing kills me. We all have our likes and dislikes, and I love many "slow" drawn out films, but for some reason, Hitch doesn't do it for me. I dig Kubrick, PTA, Martin, and many other film-makers who pace differently, but Hitch is different. Maybe to some a slow slow slow drawn out pan through a room is a suspense builder, but not to me

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    posted 09-02-2000 09:29 PM PT (US)     

     Eric Paddon
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    Well, since this is the thread for people to get their tastes in directors off their chests, I'll commit my own heresy by saying that while I love Hitchcock's work, I find Stanley Kubrick incredibly overrated.

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    posted 09-02-2000 09:35 PM PT (US)     

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    Don't assume that my distastes for Hitch means lack of film knowledge, for I have seen many many many many films, we all have. I respect great directors, I plan on being one, I respect Hitch for what he did for film, how he brought things to the table, how he shoved the idea of, "the thought", for that view is the best thing to happen to film. Therefore I respect him, and I credit him, but I hate his films. Most at least. Just because a film, or film-maker is labeled a classic, it does not make him/her/it great. At least not in my book.

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    posted 09-02-2000 09:35 PM PT (US)     

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    If you believe this knocks down my credibility, then so be it, but I am only telling you what I believe. Truth. Some like films such as Godzilla, or the Mummy. It all depends on the person. I am a huge fan of "old" films, but Hitch does not do it for me.

    P.S. I hated Godzilla and Mummy, lol

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    posted 09-02-2000 09:38 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:

    Maybe to some a slow slow slow drawn out pan through a room is a suspense builder, but not to me

    Well, actually...

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    posted 09-03-2000 11:52 AM PT (US)     

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    I like his technique for doing this because it lets you get a feel for the surroundings. You get to know the layout of a room or area. A recent example, like I've heard from many of the fellow members, is how Zemeckis used this same method to great effect in the Hitch-inspired WHAT LIES BENEATH.


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    posted 09-03-2000 12:38 PM PT (US)     

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    WLB was decent, start and end were good, but middle was horrid. Just like Hitch films. Good start/end, horrid middle. So I guess WLB is very Hitchcockian.

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    posted 09-03-2000 02:12 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Rather than go pro or con on this, I'm curious about what you're not connecting with. Can you go into detail or articulate just what it is that you hate in these films. And just what films are you referring to.

    I have to admit that the last time I watched North By Northwest, I felt the pacing problems--but feeling it was slow really didn't count because it was the 40th time I'd seen the movie. What really counts is the first time you've seen a film--how it works or doesn't work then.

    I'm the first to admit that with Hitchcock everything is sacrificed to the situation, that the characters are really puppets or "cattle" and the machinations are what matter. Hitchcock understood what moved people emotionally but he remained somewhat distant from people's humanity.

    Hitchcock joked to Herrmann that if he hadn't been a director he would have liked to be a hanging judge. The French New Wave who adored Hitch loved him not for the reasons they loved the more humane and understanding Renoir but because of his Christian morality, which in Hitch comes out rather punishing at times.

    In one of Renoir's letters with Dudley Nichols, one or the other of them said that Hitchcock was all gimmicks, that he lacked soul.

    I love Hitch but with certain rerservations.

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