Clay G.

Need to think about it though.

But my personal favorite:

It's Alive 2 by Bernard Herrmann. (I mean, come on. The guy who does Citizen Kane does the score for an awful sequel. It’s good, but damn. What a waste.)

Bad Score-Good Film: X-Men.
(It's not really bad, its just so non-descript as to vanish completely. It just doesn't do anything.)

NP: Journey to the Center of the Earth (Great score, cheesy flick)

And to answer for a good score bad movie: The 13th Warrior. And speaking about the 13th Warrior, anyone can make a CD-R copy of the expanded score for me? We'll trade.

Good Score, Fair Movie: Star Trek 5 The Final Frontier

Bad Score, Fair Movie: Star Trek Insurrection

All by Goldsmith.

Cutthroat Island
Hook
Dragonheart
Far and Away

It's up to you to figure out which category I'm referring to.

And lately, after numerous VHS watchings, I am inclined to add SW - Episode 1 to the list.

Hook and Cutthroat bad movies? Well, I guess everyone has their own opinions. I personally thought the movies were enjoyable and both have scores that ranked in the best of the 1990's.

As far as Bad Movie/Good Score:

KRULL- an amazing score and one of James Horner's best scores to date.

Alien 3- One of the most complex and chilling scores composed. The movie was terrible, but the music is awesome!

Now two bad movies/good scores that usually get mentioned are Kevin Costner's Waterworld and The Postman. Waterworld is an alright movie with an A+ score. The Postman in my opinion is much better than Waterworld and the theme is a definite hummer.

Later,
Aaron

NP: KRULL 2 CD

Crimson Tide
Speed
Deep Impact

Under Bad Movie/Good Score, I would list:

a lot of films on which Goldsmith worked (what does that say about his choice of films?)

Clay G.

bad films / good score:

Rambo III
Star Trek V
Supergirl
The Swarm
Krull
King Kong (1976 remake)
The Final Conflict (Omen III) This score needs to be remastered, the sound quality is kinda crappy. It seems the best cues are "muffled"

Movies that could have used better scores:

Torn Curtain (Hitchcock should have stuck with Herrmann)
Star Trek Generations
Armageddon
Patriot Games
Titanic (Cameron wanted Williams to originally score this movie, I sure wish he could of)

I'm not saying Hook and Cutthroat were hopeless films. I just personaly believe they are both flawed in various departements (especially the latter) and that they were way outshone by their scores.

Waterworld is another such example, as you rightly pointed out.

Bye for now.

NP - North - Shaiman

The Postman in my opinion is much better than Waterworld and the theme is a definite hummer.

Aaron, where I'm from, that's not a compliment.

Bad film, good score
-JFK
-Taxi Driver
-Raise The Titanic
-Hawaii
-The Swarm

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Greg, I'd have to STRONGLY disagree on Crimson and Speed. Both scores were wonderful in my eyes.

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In the film itself, Mark Mancina's score to Speed is effective. The mostly percussive score adds to the tension. However, on it's own (without the film) Mancina's score is repetitious and annoying.

I have a problem with Zimmer's overuse of the male choir during Crimson Tide. I'm reminded of being in church - you expect to choir to go "Ahhhh......mennnnn." (Maybe they do...I can't remember.) It's just a little too thick and nauseating for me (in an otherwise intelligent and engrossing film).

What is strange is that the Russian choral music in The Peacemaker (also by Zimmer) does work. So, I guess it's just a matter of usage.

Clay G.

You are a goofball, Shaun Rutherford. That made me laugh big time.