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    Topic:   Hans Zimmer = Ass/Retard?

     Hasta
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    For all you Zimmer haters out there, blow me. He is my favorite composer, and I get offended when anybody criticizes his work. But.... After reading some interviews around the web, and reading that pathetic "Ask Hans" portion of the Media Ventures page, it seems that he just doesn't... I dunno. He seems like an angry bastard, he always says how his own scores aren't any good... he's never satisfied, etc. The whole "Ask Hans" section is a joke, people write long, good questions to him, and he gives them 3-4 word answers. Maybe he truly is "too" busy to answer a few questions, but if that's the case, he shouldn't even bother. Gladiator, so far, is my favorite score this year. The main page for Gladiator (some Dreamworks page, don't remember the url) had an interview with Zimmer, and I remember there was a question regarding the research he did for the project. They asked him if he had looked back at the scores to Ben Hur, Spartacus, etc when scoring Gladiator... His answer was somehwere along the lines of "No, I did no research, I wanted to take a FRESH approach"... wtf is that? Arrogant bastard. Also read that he wakes up at twelve, takes a one hour bath and then just drinks coffee and smokes all day while composing? Doesn't seem like the best life, but I guess if he's keeps pulling these great scores out of his ass, I'll keep quiet.
    Anyway, just kinda interesting...

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    posted 08-15-2000 12:57 AM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    I have no idea what you're talking about. Hans Zimmer seems like a pretty cool and nice guy, I think he answers those questions well and unpretentious, and what is arrogant about wanting to score GLADIATOR with a fresh approach? Obviously the producers would not have hired Hans Zimmer if they were after an old style Rozsa score, would they?

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    posted 08-15-2000 02:43 AM PT (US)     

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    Could we try and keep the style of writing in this message board a bit civilised. I don't mind rough language but others might. Writing a paragraph like that about how Zimmer is arrogant defeats your purpose somewhat.

    Anyway, he could be a serial killer for all I care. I buy the music and listen to it.

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    posted 08-15-2000 03:02 AM PT (US)     

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    not to be antagonistic, but if you can't take any kind of criticism (or criticism of somebody else for that matter)...man, life must be hard.


    even I wouldn't tell someone to blow me, simply for disliking a composer's style.

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    posted 08-15-2000 04:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Very poor taste

    With as many people there are around here that say bad things about Zimmer it is good that there are other people that like his music. But if this is your way of saying you like Zimmer we would rather not even hear it.

    Audacity

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    posted 08-15-2000 12:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Hmm... you guys take things to seriously.. Sure, "blow me" isn't the nicest comment, but only if you take it personally is it an insult. I mean, come on... Secondly, is this Disney board looked over by Disney? Can we not use bad language (mine wasn't even bad), are some of you second graders? Please, just keep to the damn topic and stop complaining about the meaningless things.

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    posted 08-15-2000 01:05 PM PT (US)     

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    Hasta, the point is, you don't need to say things like "blow me" and use bad words to get your point across. If you do, it only lowers the importance of any kind of statement or point you are trying to make.

    I don't walk up to someone on the street when looking for directions and say, "Excuse me! Blow me if you hate tourists, but do you know the way to San Jose?" Imagine what kind of response I'll get! I probably won't get any directions, that's for sure.

    So, hasta, don't pretend your "blow me" comment doesn't mean anything, or won't get any kind of reaction. Like I said, that kind of comment doesn't say much for you, and it certainly brings down the quality of DISCUSSION on these boards, something I have a personal stake in.

    So, do me a favor.

    PeterK

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    posted 08-15-2000 01:48 PM PT (US)     

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    Adherence to good manners doesn't make us "second graders" anymore than profanity makes us "adults".

    However, that aside, I, too, am discoraged when Zimmer plays the part of his own worst critic. He's a smart guy, and I enjoy hearing what he has to say, but he is fairly rough on his own work.

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    posted 08-15-2000 02:08 PM PT (US)     

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    So, you guys would rather have Hans be this guy who thinks he's the greates composer ever? Someone who is so high on themselves that they can't take time to talk to people? And another thing. If you were Hans Zimmer, how much time would you have on your hands? Not much, am I right? Of course I am. So do you think he is going to have time to answer every single long, detailed question with a long, detailed answer. Plus, a lot of the time his agent answers the questions. As do other composers agents. So next time, be a little more considerate and also don't believe everything you read. Did you read this in the Enquier? And the "fresh approach", what's wrong with that? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I thought you said that you're a Hans Zimmer fan?

    Clay G.

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    posted 08-15-2000 03:11 PM PT (US)     

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    Zimmer is to be applauded for any and all efforts in regards to a fresh approach. One of the most common complaints from the film music audience is 'new' music which sounds suspiciously like someone else's former creation.
    As far as Hans's lifestyle goes, he's been a laid back kind of guy for quite a while now... nothing new there!
    _Sc

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    posted 08-15-2000 03:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Lol.

    Oh do I have lots to say.

    Hasta,

    I think bad language is a skill often used by teenagers during the age when their brain goes bye, bye and their hormones say "HELLO WORLD". Trust me, with all the nephews I got, I know.
    It takes more skill to express oneself in unoffensive terms than to use any foul word available. This has nothing to do with age, it has everything to do with respect, maturity, wisdom and love.

    peterK,

    ..."blow me if you hate tourists"? Lol. That must be one of the funniest things I have ever read. Where do you come up with these things.

    About Zimmer:

    People, he is German. Germans tend to be to the point and generally don't like wishy, washy talk. To judge someone personallity by the answers he/she gives in a newspaper is the equavalent of saying Clinton is a great president because he got "blown" without asking for direction. It won't do. Human beings have more soul than that.
    That comment about coffee and cigarrettes is interesting. Isn't it his businees if he is trying to kill himself? As long as he doesn't blow the smoke in my face I really don't care. At least he is clean,taking the one hour baths and all.
    If he doesn't like his own work, I find that admirable. He is trying to better himself. Nothing wrong wit' dat.

    Yet even if Zimmer is the meanest guy in the world. As long as he doesn't hurt people, sets openly bad examples to my kids, all that I am interested in is his work. That's what counts for me, I mean, I really don't wanna marry the guy or anything. Yuk.


    Scott

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    posted 08-15-2000 03:49 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    the equavalent of saying Clinton is a great president because he got "blown" without asking for direction. It won't do.

    quote:
    This has nothing to do with age, it has everything to do with respect, maturity, wisdom and love.

    OK, sure.

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    posted 08-15-2000 04:08 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Scorro:
    OK, sure.


    Scorro,

    and your point is?


    Scott

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    posted 08-15-2000 07:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Scott,
    Anybody who reads your words would understand the point. It's no big puzzle.
    Scorro

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    posted 08-15-2000 08:10 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Scorro,

    I'm a little slow. Care to explain?


    Scott

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    posted 08-15-2000 10:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Can you think of one composer that doesn't crticise their own work.
    It's possible he likes it in the beginning, why else would he use it, but after 3-4months of dealing with the same music, it's bound to become a bit of an ear sore, I know my compositions I've been working on for my final music assessment for grade 12, although I like them to begin with, really don't like at all anymore.
    Ciao!

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    posted 08-16-2000 02:27 AM PT (US)     

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    I really didn't find anything objectionable in Zimmer's comments in and of themselves. Maybe his thoughts aren't what some of us wanted to hear come from his lips but does should that change how we feel about his music?

    I LOVE Bernard Herrmann's music but from all reports he was a sharp, tempestuous character. I happen to think that eccentric quality is what helped make his music so would I prefer a softer, gentler Benny? Not if it compromised his work.

    Often times the artist is not what we imagined. But we can still appreciate their art.

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    posted 08-16-2000 06:45 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, I am really not the biggest fan of Zimmer's music; a lot of his big action/dramatic scoring is tiresome, loud, and uninvolving to my ears. (I do like some of his more intimate scores though, like RAIN MAN or DRIVING MISS DAISY). But everybody I have heard who actually is in a position to make such comments says that Hans Zimmer is a pretty likeable person.

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    posted 08-16-2000 12:05 PM PT (US)     

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    If you notice at the MV site Mr. Zimmer actually is quite hospitable in answering fan questions. It is unusual that he even allows people to pose questions to him expecting a reply. For an A-list composer who is one of the busiest in Hollywood today that's pretty cool.

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    posted 08-16-2000 01:22 PM PT (US)     

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    From what I heard about Zimmir and read on his interviews he seems to be a very snob character.

    His false modesty and the constant bash on other people's works reveals a lot about his true self.

    Just my opinion, of course.
    Feel free to disagree.

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    posted 08-17-2000 07:33 AM PT (US)     

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    Mr. Andre, which publications did you read these Zimmer interviews? I remember the FSM guys raking a couple of his scores over the coals, and he didn't take it so well. It could be that if you aren't reading an interview in a major publication like PEOPLE or NEWSWEEK, he's not such a pleasant guy, simply because of how he was treated by the little guys. I am sure Zimmer is just like all of us, as a person. He has bad days, he has good days.

    PeterK

    P.S. Hasta, you still out there? You seem to not want to "discuss" this composer after your very interesting first post. S'up?

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    posted 08-17-2000 08:03 AM PT (US)     

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    Hasta, grow up a little. You just trashed Zimmer on your opening comments when you said how you don't like other people trashing his work. Yeah, he probably is too busy to answer the "ask Hans" thing at MV, so what? Are you mad because he didn't respond to you or something?

    What's wrong with trying to come up with your own music for a film, ie Gladiator. And the music does sound like Zimmer and no one else, that's very good considering the amount of films made for that genre. (Look at it this way, your writing the score with all the ideas you have and the director has put in a few words on how it should sound....now, you're a professional at what you do, scoring films that is. Do you want some producer throwing CD's of Ben Hur and Spartacus at you and saying that the score should sound like that? I don't think so! Besides, Zimmer seems to always pull off scoring with music that is most appropriate for the film he's doing...whether it's Days Of Thunder or The Thin red Line, both work unbelieveably well for the goings on on-screen.)

    His comments in interviews etc. aren't arrogant, he's sounds like a really cool and understadning person in his line of work. BTW, he said he really loved scoring Gladiator and he was very happy with what he brought out....and I think he mentioned that he would consider putting the score as an isolated soundtrack on the DVD.

    So, Hans Zimmer, the number one requested composer in Hollywood is arrogant and bashes everyone's work? I see, so that's why so many directors, producers etc. seek him out so he can bash their film and hate his score? Come on, man. You don't get that popular by being an *******, especially a film composer.

    Zimmer's chill, always will be.

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    [This message has been edited by sean (edited 17 August 2000).]

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    posted 08-17-2000 02:19 PM PT (US)     

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    The title of this thread is absolutely hilarious.

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    posted 08-17-2000 07:48 PM PT (US)     

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    Blow me if my word doesn't matter, but I agree, Todd.

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    posted 08-17-2000 09:07 PM PT (US)     

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    "You don't get that popular by being an *******, especially a film composer."

    That's funny. I just read that Horner was releasing his memoirs early next year. The title?

    "Getting Popular By Being An As-hole, Especially In Film Composing" by James Horner.

    sean, what does this mean: "Zimmer's chill, always will be." Is he cold? Does he need a blanket? You crazy kids and your wacky "lingo".

    And, hasta, I happen to have a friend who is an ass/retard, and after showing him your derogatory remarks toward his people, he could've said something like "That hasta is an hastass!" if he weren't an ass/retard.

    Shaun

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    posted 08-17-2000 09:12 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    So, Hans Zimmer, the number one requested composer in Hollywood...(edited 17 August 2000).]

    Now, that's debatable.


    Scott


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    posted 08-17-2000 09:13 PM PT (US)     

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    Just think about all these great movies that had such horrible scores. Below is a list of the composers that SHOULD have been picked to score the 25 best movies of all time (according to the IMDB and its followers, at least).

    1 Godfather, The (1972)
    Hans Zimmer, but only if Klaus Badelt did the additional music and Lisa Gerrard did vocals.

    2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994)
    Trevor Rabin, but only if Hans Zimmer wrote the theme and Nick Glennie-Smith did the additional music.

    3 American Beauty (1999)
    Trevor Rabin again, but only if they sampled the theme from Armageddon when they showed *****.

    4 Schindler's List (1993)
    Harry Gregson-Williams, because he writes sad music that makes me feel sad about things that wouldn't be as sad without the sad music because I have a low emotional tolerance for sadness without sad music.

    5 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (20594 votes)
    Hans Zimmer, but only if Lisa Gerrard lends vocals to every scene with a woman (even if there's one in the background, there NEEDS to be a female vocal present).

    6 Citizen Kane
    What the **** is this? Hopefully Bruckheimer will remake this and have a kick ass chase scene with Nicolas Cage and the sled.

    7 Star Wars (1977) 8.7/10 (48369 votes)
    Nobody can write this score better than Gavin Greenaway. Have you HEARD his additional music for The Peacemaker? It's a no brainer!

    8 Godfather: Part II, The (1974)
    See number 1, but change Klaus to Giorgio Moroder, to give it a "retro punk" feel.

    9 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
    Nice small score by John Powell. Probably get about 15 minutes of score in the film total. Only have Powell do it if you can get Gavin Greenaway, Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, Lisa Gerrard (for Nurse Ratchet's scenes), and Hans Zimmer to write additional music.

    10 Shichinin no samurai (1954)
    Elmer Bernstein.

    11 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
    Why didn't they just call this "Why Would Anybody Want To See A Movie With A Longer Title Than Running Time"? No score for this one! Waste of talent!


    12 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 8.5/10 (27906 votes)
    Hans Zimmer and Harry Gregson-Williams should team up and slap this bitch of a film around.

    13 Rear Window (1954) 8.5/10 (10618 votes)
    What is this, gay porn? If so, Klaus Badlet deserves his shot in the driver's seat. Trevor Rabin can write the theme.

    14 Usual Suspects, The (1995)
    Nick Glennie-Smith, but only if Jackson Browne can do the theme song.

    15 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
    Gavin Greenaway should come back for this one, but in case he's being tempermental, see what John Powell's doing for the day...

    16 Psycho (1960) 8.5/10 (15236 votes)
    A black and white movie should have a black and white keyboard score. Zimmer all the way. Layer on Gerrard's vocals doubly for the shower scene.

    17 Saving Private Ryan (1998)
    Rip off of Michael Bay should have a rip off of a Michael Bay score. Trevor Rabin, Harry Gregson-Williams.

    18 Pulp Fiction (1994) 8.4/10 (38863 votes)
    No score, just use Kraftwerk albums.

    19 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)
    Zimmer's doing Hannibal, why not this? This is why Hollywood sucks, man! They get this frickin' ORCHESTRA playing with shots of Jodie Foster running! Hello? MISTAKE much, idiots?!? No wonder Orion went under!

    20 North by Northwest (1959)
    Never heard of it. See what Zimmer's doing before lunch, if not, just use outtakes from Thelma & Louise.

    21 It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
    Lisa Gerrard and Klaus Badelt.

    22 Vita č bella, La (1997)
    Hey, this movie's French or something, get Hans Zimmer to do it.

    23 Sixth Sense, The (1999) 8.4/10 (22064 votes)
    James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer are friends, so I'm sure he wouldn't mind having Zimmer score the film instead. Additional music by Jeff Rona (for the action scenes).

    24 Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
    Tough one. John Powell can take the first hour, Zimmer the second, and HGW, Nick Glennie-Smith, and Trevor Rabin can divide the rest.

    25 Goodfellas (1990) 8.3/10 (16777 votes)
    This is perfect the way it is, except without all the old fogie music and the mob killings. Add more car chases, some Kenny Loggins tunes, and celebrate the triumphant return of Harold Faltermeyer!

    Shaun


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    posted 08-17-2000 10:07 PM PT (US)     

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    LOL Shaun...!!!!!!!

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    posted 08-17-2000 10:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Can't wait for the Bruckheimer remake of "Citizen Kane".

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    posted 08-18-2000 12:11 AM PT (US)     

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    Ha ha ha ha!!!!! Oh, mercy!

    Nice one, Shaun.

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    posted 08-18-2000 04:32 AM PT (US)     

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    Shaun, you're right about James Horner...and so would I have been if I'd been thinking of it; anyway, who really cares.

    And what's with the chill comment? Who cares what I said, the fact that I did use that word....."crazy kids"? "wacky lingo"? You're amused very easily, so what word will suffice for your "generation"? "cool"? "far out"? "fly"? "wizzard"?.....Come on! And who's time were you wasting with that Top 25 or whatever it was....btw, I didn't read it.

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    posted 08-18-2000 03:29 PM PT (US)     

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    Yo, homey! Don't make me slap you upside da head cuz you been slummin', chillin' on my turf like some kinda ass/retard, dude! F that! Word!

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    posted 08-18-2000 07:50 PM PT (US)     

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    you go Shaun!!!!!

    Man that was hilarious.

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    posted 08-18-2000 07:58 PM PT (US)     

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    The only thing I've read on Zimmer was an interview in which he criticized Randy Newmans dismissal from Air Force One. Seems he loved Newmans score ("Best ******* action music he'd heard" or something to that effect)and wasn't too fond of Goldsmiths replacement score. Although he wasn't upset at Goldsmith just the producers and director.

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    posted 08-18-2000 08:11 PM PT (US)     

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    "Who cares what I said..."

    You said it, sean. I was just foolin'. Calm yourself.

    Shaun

    F that!

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    posted 08-18-2000 09:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Lol. With Zimmer in the background.

    Scott

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    posted 08-19-2000 12:40 AM PT (US)     

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    Don't worry Shaun, I didn't take it personally.

    NP: The Perfect Storm **/*****

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    posted 08-19-2000 03:24 PM PT (US)     

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    NP: The Perfect Storm **/*****

    Hey, sean, I'm glad we see eye to eye on that, at least.

    Shaun

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    posted 08-19-2000 07:10 PM PT (US)     

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    lol, hell yeah!

    NP: some old mixed trance tape I found..hehe ***/*****

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    posted 08-20-2000 02:32 PM PT (US)     

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    What was I on when I wrote this?

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