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ManOfSorrows

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I've just ordered "Cutthroat Island". It is a great score. (I actually liked the movie too).Anyway...do you know any other good "swashbuckling" scores?

(I seem to like scores that is composed to a "sea" movie... Cutthroat Island, Waterworld, Jaws, Titanic and more.)
Thanks

NP The Rock
posted 08-04-2000 11:49 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
Goldmember

Has anyone ever heard the rejected David Arnold score for CUTTHROAT ISLAND? Did he even record an entire score for it, or was he booted off early, as happened with THE PATRIOT?A good swashbuckling score: John Addison's (you guessed it) SWASHBUCKLER, although I don't think there was ever a CD (I have the LP someplace.)
posted 08-04-2000 12:10 PM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

Goldmember

THE SEAHAWK and CAPTAIN BLOOD spring to mind. I'm not anywhere near my references so I'm guessing that both are by Korngold, although one may be my Steiner.THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD is another, it's by one of the above named, too. But it's not "sea" related.
Marc
posted 08-04-2000 12:26 PM PT (US) 
PeterD

Goldmember

For a good sampling, you might want to buy the Silva compilation CD, "The Crimson Pirate: Swashbucklers of the Silver Screen," which includes fairly generous selections from "Captain Blood," "Hook" (a great main theme!), "The Crimson Pirate," "The 7th Voyage of Sinbad," "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad," "The Buccaneer," "The Sea Hawk," "The Adventures of Don Juan," "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life" and -- "Cutthroat Island." Then if you really love something you hear, you can go after the complete soundtrack.
posted 08-04-2000 12:59 PM PT (US) 
Darth Fart

Goldmember

Isn't the Superman theme by JW derived from Robin Hood? I remember hearing some music which sounds like the core of the Supes theme, it's a recurring march. The bit when the theme kicks in when Supes catches the copter.
posted 08-04-2000 02:15 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

MrRocco,He never wrote anything.
PeterK
NP - "Once Upon a Time in the West" by Morricone
posted 08-04-2000 02:19 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

Goldmember

R-R-R-Rocco!!,As Peter said above, David didn't write anything, though I *heard* he was responsible for providing Mr. Debney with few ideas. I don't think he was booted off the project, either. I might be wrong, but I think it was your good, old fashioned Goldsmithian scheduling conflict. Or something like that...
Jeron
NP- Hmmmmm... thought up this new theme that has this happy, Cider House Rules/My Dog Skip/Debney-ish sound to it. It's one of the few, rare times I actually remember something like this from a dream. Trying to decide if it's original or if I unawaringly ripped it off something. In the words of the great Winnie the Pooh... "Think, think, think..."
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posted 08-04-2000 02:26 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

Goldmember

Captain Blood! Captain Blood! Captain Blood!Get the Marco Polo recording, on an album entitled...Captain Blood
. Also includes The King's Thief (Miklos Rózsa), Scaramouche (Victor Young) and The Three Musketeers (Max Steiner). If you like Cutthroat Island, you'll LOVE this album!Oh, and both Captain Blood and Sea Hawk are by Korngold.
And is it just me, or are there glimpses of Prince Valiant (Waxman) and Moby Dick (Sainton) in Cutthroat Island? It IS a tribute to Golden Age scores (love that little dedication Debney wrote in the liner notes), so I'm not surprised.
NP: The Egyptian (Herrmann/Newman; sorry, I don't find it that great)
posted 08-04-2000 02:51 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

Goldmember

Ah, and PeterD: I'll have to get that album you mentioned, just for Meaning of Life. I LOVE the score for the Crimson Assurance sequence.I recently ordered the Varese rerecording of Sea Hawk at CDNow, but unfortunately two CDs from the order are STILL on backorder.

posted 08-04-2000 02:55 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
Goldmember

I thought Arnold had been chosen by the producer Mario Kassar, who also worked with him on STARGATE and LAST OF THE DOGMEN. I heard at the time that Arnold had departed, but I didn't know for sure why.
posted 08-04-2000 04:20 PM PT (US) 
PeterD

Goldmember

Marian, just to let you know: the CRIMSON PERMANENT ASSURANCE selection on the Silva CD is the "Overture," runs 5:35.
posted 08-04-2000 07:36 PM PT (US) 
JJH

Goldmember

yes, you can hear Arnold's influence in certain parts of the score.Bits and pieces of Stargate find their way into Cutthroat Island. (maybe the other way around...I don't know..is it really cosmically important anyway?)
NW -- Grey Owl
posted 08-04-2000 07:43 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
Goldmember

Ten to one, it was temped with STARGATE, and probably a bunch of others. I don't know how the Debney album plays, but I found it fantastically overblown in the film -- it felt like Debney had been told "You're our last hope to save this ridiculous picture, so write the biggest stuff you can think of." Even my father, who rarely mentioned film music, watched the main title sequence and said, deadpan, "I don't think the music is loud enough." I couldn't bear to watch more than about fifteen minutes of the whole debacle.
posted 08-04-2000 08:28 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

Goldmember

JJ, yes, it IS cosmically important, you dolt.
Jeron
posted 08-04-2000 08:35 PM PT (US) 
Ford A. Thaxton

Goldmember

Guys,David Arnold had nothing to do with the score by John Debney, my soucre should know.
It's Debney himself.
posted 08-04-2000 10:37 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

Goldmember

Well then, that solves that! Interesting... though I would like to ask David the same question. And I might just do that... hmmmmm, where's David's number... gotta find it.Jeron
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posted 08-04-2000 11:15 PM PT (US) 
Tim_P

Goldmember

Yeah, and I'll give my buds Renny Harlin and Geena Davis a buzz and see what they know of Arnold's involvement on CutThroat island...posted 08-04-2000 11:48 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
Goldmember

Geena told me this was actually the straw that broke the camel's proverbial back, as far as their marriage was concerned: she had demanded Jon Bon Jovi both as her costar AND to score the film (or at the very least write the love song), while Renny (who I didn't get to know until later) was leaning more towards Dave Grusin. Also, Renny didn't much like the idea of a younger version of himself playing her romantic interest, which is why he finally picked Matthew Modine. At that point, Bon Jovi fell through as a consideration, so Geena started insisting on Vangelis, but the movie was getting so far over budget anyway, the studio was begging them to consider a cheap synth score by Chuck Cirino. Originally, they COMPROMISED on David Arnold, but somehow it fell into Debney's lap instead. It's a weird business, isn't it.NP: 64-minute demo CD of music James Horner tossed off one weekend in hopes of getting the CUTTHROAT ISLAND assignment, much of it sounds surprisingly like other scores he's done, and even more of it like scores others have done. That wacky, unpredictable Horner!
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posted 08-05-2000 12:13 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

MrRocco,Geena told me she wanted Ford A. Thaxton to score it, because she's quite a fan of movie soundtracks and has seen his name all over rec.music.movies, on various CDs, and on the MovieMusic.com message boards (little do most of you know, Geena visits these boards often, but rarely posts - sorry Geena!).
Unfortunately, people don't make the connection between the Geena Davis/Renny Harlin split: because Renny wouldn't hire Ford A. Thaxton to score it, Geena eventually left Renny. It took a few years, but Ford's participation in the three-ring relationship was just too much for everyone involved.
Hollywood, I tell ya!
PeterK
P.S. Why the heck do ALL of the threads on this message board end up waaaaaaaaay of course from the first message in the topic? I mean, SHEESH. Man of Sorrows asked for a few good swashbuckling (buckling??!) scores. He got a few, but only with 10,000 extraneous words. It's amazing people hang out in these parts!! Have a great weekend everyone.
posted 08-05-2000 09:48 AM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

Goldmember

Actually, I was the first person engaged to write the score for this piece of junk. Renny and Geena came over to my house...IN PERSON... and begged me to brush up on my composition techniques because they "just had a feeling" about me. I, of course, found this to be as ludicrous as the bojillions of dollars spent on this out-of-season turkey and happily accepted the assignment, stepping directly over the heads of Debney and Arnold. They, too, came over to my house...IN PERSON...and begged me to reconsider, as neither one of them felt that they had yet attained their yearly goal of trashy movies to score. "Ha Ha!" I expostulated, and politely slammed the door in their faces. Well,...I can't remmeber the sequence of events, but it all involved Renny H/Laura Dern, Laura/Jeff Goldblum, Jeff/Geena, Renny/Geena,...very confusing. So what happened was I woke up one day and found that my Casio electronic keyboard (Harlin had expressed his wishes that the score be somewhat anachronistic) had been been completely destroyed! None of these Hollywood would types would admit to any vandalism and soon after none of my calls were being returned. I then "heard" that Debney and Arnold were locking horns over who deserved the less amount of prestige, with the victor winning the opportunity to score the world's most potential mega-ton cinematic bomb. Sigh. I guess in the long run I was lucky. Maybe next time, Renny.
posted 08-05-2000 11:27 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

Goldmember

DANGER DANGER...OLD THREAD, WATCH YOUR DATES PEOPLE!!What a bizarro thread this became!

Anyway, rented this thing over the weekend, after playing the score for years....it's not that bad, some good action bits in there, but obviously the actors weren't into it....guess I can't blame them, I didn't care much either, I just wanted to hear loud explosions and loud London Symphony(got plenty of both). Geena buddy seemed pretty ill-suited for her role, but at least Frank Langella had some fun(must have been having Masters Of The Universe-Skeletor flashbacks).
Reason for dragging this back up is this....I see lots of people have a 2cd bootie of this, with NO sound efx. Can someone truly confirm this? Can someone get a copy into my paws? I need another hour of this score like a hole in the head, but what the hell right? While I'm at it, how about a copy of the 68min. Masters Of The Universe too? Really don't need that, but I'm feeling bombastic. I could make a Music From the Films Of Frank Langella with it though

Pardon the terseness of this if your reading....got a case of the Monday's
All I really need to know is if that 2cd Cutthroat exists w/out efx.Avast ye maties!
Seanposted 06-03-2002 09:38 AM PT (US) 
Jennie

Goldmember

hmm...Hook and 1492 are great scores
posted 06-03-2002 10:26 AM PT (US) 
JEC
Goldmember

LONG JOHN SILVER by David Buttolph
JOHN PAUL JONES by Max Steiner[Message edited by JEC on 06-03-2002]
posted 06-03-2002 01:54 PM PT (US) 
El Cid
Goldmember

So has the presence of Stargate bits in Cutthroat Island ever been satisfactory explained?I think this is one of the great mysteries of our age (since the Rather/Kenneth/frequency mystery was solved).
posted 06-03-2002 06:15 PM PT (US) 
monkey

Goldmember

Unfortunately, the boot I`ve got does have some minor sound effects on it (presumably recorded from the rear speakers). I am aware that people have been saying that they have a version with no SFX. So if anyone has THIS can you e-mail please!
BTW> There are some very good tracks missing from the original release, prime example being the final duel
posted 06-04-2002 04:12 AM PT (US) 
OHMSS76

Goldmember

Aha!Thank you for a little confirmation there Monkey!
I was beginning my resurrection of this thread was going to be shanghai'd

Sean
posted 06-04-2002 08:03 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
