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meegle
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Ok, so my collection is SERIOUSLY lacking in westerns!!!!! I have Shaiman's CITY SLICKERS AND CITY SLICKERS 2... and they're both fantastic, but thats ALL I have as far as westerns!!!!I'm thinking about getting TOMBSTONE but I don't remember it at all.
The film ELECTION with Matthew Broderick (which is NOT a western) regularly uses one of MORRICONE's themes in it (I think its' GOOD, BAD and the UGLY), and it's really hilarious!!!
Anyway...if I wanted to expand my ENTIRE score collection to be more inclusive of westerns can ya'll think of let's say 10 or so that would/SHOULD be on that list???
I'm lookin for stuff that has a classic western sound and plays well on its own. For instance, I never saw SILVERADO but I hear its a great movie; BUT does the score play well on its own? Or would I have to see the film finally to fully enjoy it?
Ironic that a Texan has virtually NO western scores huh?
help

Thanks in advance!!!!
[This message has been edited by meegle (edited 21 July 2000).]
posted 07-21-2000 11:31 AM PT (US) 
robin4

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Good westerns-Tombstone
Silverado
The Magnificent Seven
The Searchers
Wyatt EarpAnd more that I can't think of off the top of my head.
[This message has been edited by robin4 (edited 21 July 2000).]
posted 07-21-2000 11:50 AM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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Definitely THE BIG COUNTRY by Jerome Moross.
posted 07-21-2000 12:04 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Pick up a compilation of Morricone's western music. There should be quite a few out there. The one I have is something along the lines of "Legendary Italian Westerns." You'll get a good sample of his music there.Other than that, start going through the Goldsmith ones!
posted 07-21-2000 12:53 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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No disrespect here, but I just can't be bothered to go through a list.I'll just mention TWO that I don't think you should be without!?
The Big Country - Jerome Moross (Brad ain't talking turkey!)
The Good,The Bad and The Ugly - Ennio Morricone.
NP : StarCrash - Barry
posted 07-21-2000 06:21 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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Out of the Goldsmith westerns, I think that 100 Rifles is my favorite.
NP: Take a Hard Ride... hmm, that's a good one, too!

posted 07-21-2000 07:39 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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Of the Goldsmith westerns I have, I love the theme from Take a Hard Ride and the brashness of 100 Rifles. But I think I like Rio Conchos better as a whole.Silva just did some sort of re-issue of Big Country with Tony Bremner conducting, and a newly recorded main title conducted by Nic Raine. Should be mui bueno.
I have Bremner's re-recording of Citizen Kane, and it's just fabulously well done.
NP -- Goldsmith Main Titles, Vol 4, "Alien," moving right along into "Basic Instinct." actually works rather well...posted 07-21-2000 08:52 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Well from on fellow Texan to another:Silverado
Tombstone
The Magnificent Seven (Ryko version)
Wyatt Earp
Dances With Wilves
The Cowboys
Far and Away (Oklahoma land race cues)
Wild, Wild, Wild West (Ok I admit it I like this score)
Return of the Magnificent Seven (mostly recycled from the first movie)
Quick and the Dead[This message has been edited by Mark Olivarez (edited 21 July 2000).]
posted 07-21-2000 08:59 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Well, all of the above, to be certain--But also try Alfred Newman's "How the West Was Won", for that "classic" sound.
For an epic scope, check out Sonic Images' re-release of "Lonesome Dove" (What? It hasn't been mentioned yet? Unbelievable!) This one is just a great score, period.
For the highly dedicated, track down the "Cowboys" track from Mancini's "Sunset", which is an amazing Western theme.
For the adventurous, pick up Edelman's "Shanghai Noon" (In Stores Now!)...a fantastic blending of eastern and western themes (leaning heavy on the western, but hearing "Home on the Range" played on traditional Chinese instruments, well....it's just a lot of fun...)
If you can, pick up a copy of LucasArts' "Outlaws", which has two discs, and they both have music-only tracks on them. The music is by Clint Bakajian, and it is some of the most fantastic western "homage" music. (And the game can be fun, too.)
posted 07-21-2000 09:25 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Doh!!!! You're right forgot Lonsome Dove. I have it, don't know why I forgot it.
posted 07-21-2000 09:31 PM PT (US) 
James

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The most obvious one to me is Jerome Moross's The Big Country. Absolutely wonderful music. The re-recording is very good, although in a number of places not very close to the original recording (although the liner notes explain that Bremner tried to conduct according to Moross's original ideas and not what was finally performed).Another great Moross western score is The Valley of Gwangi, but you might have some difficulty tracking that one down.
And while we're on the subject of Moross westerns, you should also check out the LSO recording of his first symphony, which is very western in style.
Saying that Silverado plays well on its own is a vast understatement. It's a really fun score, one that makes me sad to think that perhaps Bruce Broughton should have been born a few decades earlier when westerns were more common. His western writing is awesome. (Ditto for the excellent but much darker Tombstone.)
Another absolutely essential one is Elmer Bernstein's The Magnificent Seven. It's theme alone is an historical milestone of film music, probably the single most-recognized western theme ever, unless perhaps The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly holds that record....
That brings me to Mr. Morricone. I must confess that I'm not too familiar with his western scores, so all I can tell you is go with Al's suggestion of picking up "Legendary Italian Westerns" as it will give you a great idea of his western stylings.
Just three days ago I ordered every single Jerry Goldsmith western Intrada had to offer. Obviously I can't comment on how each score holds up yet, but I can assure you of how much I loved the themes from The Wild Rovers, Take a Hard Ride, Hour of the Gun, and all the others that I was willing to spend $115 all at once for them. I suggest you go to the Deconstructing Goldsmith web site (I don't have the address, but I'm sure someone will give it to you) and check out the clips of his westerns.
I'll also give the nod to Mark McKenzie's Frank and Jesse. The traditional western style is not used much, but it's a fabulous score anyway.
Finally, if you're interested in getting a more complete selection of western music, then you are in dire need of an Aaron Copland compilation. I recommend that you get either Leonard Bernstein's Copland compilation with the New York Philharmonic, or Erich Kunzel's with the Cincinatti Pops.
There, I think I've said enough for now.
James
NP - now I can't get Hour of the Gun out of my head![This message has been edited by James (edited 21 July 2000).]
posted 07-21-2000 10:29 PM PT (US) 
James

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One more thing,Lancelot is right about "The Cowboys" from Henry Mancini's score Sunset. It's a great theme. There's an excellent recording of it on the Erich Kunzel compilation "Happy Trails" performed by the Cincinatti Pops. A good disc to pick up for western fans.
posted 07-21-2000 10:35 PM PT (US) 
JohnT

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"The Wild Bunch" is one of the great western scores (available in three versions a well I believe!). "The Outlaw Josie Wales", also by Jerry Fielding is also worth getting; and if you can track it down "The Unforgiven" by Dimitri Tiomkin.
On the Jerry Goldsmith front "Bandalero" is very good.
For Elmer Bernstein you could also try "The Scalphunters" and "Big Jake" (bootleg only though at the moment I think).
There are so many really - and I just wish there were more new ones coming up.
Best wishes with your 'round-up'.
JohnT.
posted 07-21-2000 11:58 PM PT (US) 
Scorro
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Another vote for "Lonesome Dove"; most definitely an essential western score.A great title from last year, not quite a western but close enough, is "Ride With The Devil" (Mychael Danna). Highly recommended!
Another vote for "Wyatt Earp" (JNH), OOP but well worth tracking down on ebay. Easily one of Howard's best!
And yes, "Frank & Jesse" (McKenzie) is quite good (perhaps still avail. at Intrada on the cheap).
Happy trails,
_Scposted 07-22-2000 12:22 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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well, let's just add ALL the Morricone westerns. BMG, I think it is, has a disc of main titles to some Morricone westerns. Quite a fun CD!I've also been rather partila to Sons of Katie Elder.
did Victor Young score any westerns, that I should get?
posted 07-22-2000 05:27 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Nothing much to add really, but you might want to consider the various compilations like "Best of the West" to get a feel for the different scores out there.HMMM..How about
Hang 'em High
Guns of San Sebastion
Two Mules for Sister Sara.posted 07-22-2000 06:34 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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- The Magnificient Seven (Bernstein)
- A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Morricone)
- Once Upon a Time in the West (Morricone)
- The Cowboys (Williams)
All must-haves. And I'm ashamed to say that I still haven't heard the Goldsmith western scores.
NW: Star Trek Voyager
posted 07-22-2000 06:42 AM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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Let's add Fielding's CHATO'S LAND to the list. Nearly impossible to find, but well worth a search.
posted 07-22-2000 06:47 AM PT (US) 
Bill Whitaker

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I'm a big fan of American westerns, but I have to agree with Brad. CHATO'S LAND is one of the classic western scores, reveling in the hostility of the environment in the American Southwest and the savagery of its inhabitants, both white and red. Bay Cities issued an album of more than 40 minutes of music from this offbeat, curious western and it's a stunning, visceral experience to sit down to. I regard it as nothing less than an American masterpiece.
There's also Fielding's moving score for THE LAWMAN, one that tends toward long, pensive passages, though the cue BRANDING THE CATTLE is as upbeat and energetic as anything in Aaron Copland's music. Alas, this, too, is long out of print, along with CHATO'S LAND. Bay Cities issued them both as part of a limited edition series of CDs.
Meanwhile, there's Fielding's THE WILD BUNCH, which is a joy to at last have in stereo (available through Film Score Monthly, God bless 'em). And THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES is nice, though the general shortness of the cues sometimes precludes Fielding from developing some interesting ideas. But what remains is quite captivating.
I guess what I like about Fielding's music is his refusal to ape Copland (and, thank goodness, Morricone). And yet, his music is distinctively and defiantly American in approach, swimming with subtle jazz impulses. I love Copland but too many composers regard his direction as the only direction to go in all-American western scores. Fielding, happily, thought otherwise and went off in his own direction. His scores are unlike anyone else's.
Maybe Brigham Young University or Film Score Monthly can do something about returning CHATO'S LAND and THE LAWMAN back to general circulation. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the issuance, in stereo this time, of BRING ME THE HEAD OF ALFREDO GARCIA, which was announced sometime back.
-- Bill Whitaker
posted 07-22-2000 10:14 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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A big thumbs-up from me for all those great Jerry Fielding scores!
posted 07-22-2000 12:29 PM PT (US) 
Shivered_McTimber

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Oh, most definitely:"The Big Country"
"For a Few Dollars More"
"The Good The Bad and The Ugly"
"Hang 'Em High"
"The Magnificent Seven"~Shivered
NP: "La'usso's Theme" by Jeff Wise.posted 07-22-2000 01:58 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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We've seen this topic before....All of these are on CD and should be easily found....
THE BIG COUNTRY---This is pretty much the best Western score there is IMHO
THE WILD BUNCH---There are other good Fielding Westerns but this is the best of them
Laurie Johnson conducts Great Western Scores of Dimitri Tiomkin---This CD has marvelous cues from RED RIVER, RIO BRAVO, DUEL IN THE SUN & HIGH NOON
WYATT EARP
SILVERADO
HOW THE WEST WAS WON
THE MAGNIFICENT 7---There are other great Bernstein westerns too like The Commancheros, Sons of Katie Elder, but this is the place to start
RIO CONCHOS
Morricone, Hmmmm.....I like the Legendary Italian Westerns (Vol. 2 ) CD as it has the two Dollars films and other great cues and songs and its cheap. But, is the material as good as GOOD, BAD & UGLY or ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMER. or one of my favorites, A FISTFUL OF DYNAMITE, not to mention THE ROVER, 2 MULES, etc. I guess I'll chime in with GBU--if you like the style of it, you won't go wrong getting more Morricone
Nothing wrong with The Cowboys, the beautiful Dances With Wolves (though Monte Walsh strikes me as more 'Western' in flavor), Lonesome Dove, 3:10 to Yuma, and a number of Steiner westerns like Dodge City or They Died With Their Boots On.
Lastly, I love RED SUN, but it's out of print. The suite on the Silva Westerns Vol. 2 is OK though if you can't locate the original.
NP: FIRELIGHT (Chistopher Gunning)
posted 07-22-2000 08:47 PM PT (US) 
Darth Fart

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The Good, the bad and the uglyU must have this in your collection, it's astounding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted 07-23-2000 03:35 AM PT (US) 
Todd Reifinger
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With all the Poledouris fans out there, I'm surprised that no one's mentioned "Quigley Down Under." Fantastic main title, one that perfectly captures the good-natured bravado of Tom Selleck's character.
posted 07-23-2000 12:31 PM PT (US) 
robin4

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I can't believe it, I must kill myself now that I forgot Lonesome Dove.
posted 07-23-2000 01:08 PM PT (US) 
Patrick

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Lonesome Dove
Good the Bad and the Ugly
Shane
Gunfight at the OK Corral
Five Man Army(Un Esercito Di 5 Uomini)
My Name is Nobody
Lawman
Chato's Land
Drango
Land Raiders(sorry-but I like it)
The Big Gundown(sorry-but I like it)
7 Guns for the MacGregors
Navajo Joe(sorry-but I like it)
The Hills Run Red
Sons of Katie Elder
Guns for San Sebastian
Probably not all classics by any means but they are enjoyable.
posted 07-23-2000 11:47 PM PT (US) 
Patrick

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And anything by Jerry Goldsmith--Hour of the Gun is a classic.
posted 07-23-2000 11:50 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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Well, I'm glad someone remembered Williams "Cowboys". Marian, both thumbs up to ya.Other ones, well the reivers while technically not a western, it still has those elements incorporated.
The Missioury Breaks, now there is a very different Western score. Williams at his very unself best. Lol. I'm just laughing today. hehe
anyone mentioned Goldsmiths Young Women? Was that the title. Anyway, great Western sound.
How about...wait Young Women was Broughton, which is also good. So what was the one Goldsmith did, the one with the girl from ET? To lazy to go upstairs and check.
Ready to say goodbye?
Goodbye
Scott
posted 07-24-2000 12:32 AM PT (US) 
Patrick

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Todd Reifinger is right on the mark.Poledouris'Quigley Down Under is an absolute classic; almost on par with Lonesome Dove. Nice call, Todd.
posted 07-24-2000 01:14 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Scott:
Well, I'm glad someone remembered Williams "Cowboys". Marian, both thumbs up to ya.Still one of his best. I used to not pick up the CD countless times because it's ony 30 minutes long. Fortunately, I got it in the end. A must-have!
Now I should really order all those FSM titles soon.
NP: Mulan (Promo)
posted 07-24-2000 06:13 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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"Bad Girls", Scott. One of Goldsmith's best from the 90s, for me.
posted 07-24-2000 09:00 AM PT (US) 
Scorro
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That would be "True Women" by Broughton, who has scored a number of very nice westerns. This particular one happens to be my personal favorite of his.Yes, "Quiqley" is a classic, and a unique listen as well. Great blend of music with an excellent, driving action theme. Glad to see Lonesome Dove get so much recognition on this thread.
_Scposted 07-24-2000 03:17 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Love all those mentioned above. Also would like to add Ride the High Country (Bassman) and Buffalo Girls by Lee Holdridge.NP Best of the West
posted 07-24-2000 05:48 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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what about Wagon's East ?ha! just kiddin' yo.
does Three Amigos qualify?
posted 07-24-2000 07:22 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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quote:
Originally posted by Graham Watt:
"Bad Girls", Scott. One of Goldsmith's best from the 90s, for me.Graham,
thank u so much. You are a Gentelman and a scholar.
Scottposted 07-24-2000 07:52 PM PT (US) 
Todd Reifinger
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Speaking of "Three Amigos"...I love the wacky theme that was used in the film's trailer, but I don't remember it being in Bernstein's score. Anyone know where the trailer music is from?
(I know this belongs on the trailer-music board, but I figured, hey, while we're on the subject...)
posted 07-24-2000 08:06 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The Captain (James) mentioned clips available at DECONSTRUCTING GOLDSMITH. This is how to get there:http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/9059/goldsmith.htm
Among the bits they have that still have not been released are: a wonderful short suite from ONE LITTLE INDIAN; and two separate pieces from RIO LOBO. His TV theme HOLLISTER is also very westernish.My favorite Goldsmith western (and one of my favorite Goldsmith scores) is 100 RIFLES -- but I sometimes wonder if that's a "western" score in the traditional sense. His excellent BANDOLERO, WILD ROVERS, HOUR OF THE GUN and BREAKHEART PASS (among others!) are more obviously "Western" scores. I think EXTREME PREJUDICE is a western in disguise, and that's another of my very very favorites of his -- but if you played it, you might never hear "western" in the sense you'd probably expect.
NP: THE HAUNTING (not a western in disguise ... I wish he'd found room to write a really big version of the lovely main melody, it seems to want a huge POWDER-finale-type expression that it never gets)
posted 07-25-2000 01:22 AM PT (US) 
logied

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What!!!, I didn,t see How The West Was Won?
Glad to see Shane on someone's list.
When I first think of a western score I,m
with alot of people on The Big Country. It
was a big movie and a great score.
posted 07-25-2000 03:56 AM PT (US) 
meegle
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Thanks to everyone for these great suggestions!!! Now on to the search for them!!
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