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Topic: Hearing the score w/o seeing the film.

Camillu

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How many of the scores you own accompany films you have seen?I personally have quite a few scores to films I haven't seen, but I'm trying to see them because I always find that the score sounds 50% better once I've seen the film.
Scores have also introduced me to films I had otherwise not even heard of, such as Rocketeer (not that they're anything special as films)
Only yesterday I saw Truman Show again, and afterwards popped in the CD and loved it way more than I had before. Does this happen to you?
posted 07-21-2000 10:12 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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I have many scores I haven't seen the movies to mostly becuase I buy the score not becuase I like or am even interested in the movie but becuase I like the style and music of the composer.
Sometimes a realy great track on a CD like the main title from Cutthroat Island will get me curious as to whats going on on screen though.
posted 07-21-2000 10:30 AM PT (US) 
Thor

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Don't even get me started on this, camillu!
More than 75% of my soundtrack collection consists scores to movies I have not seen.
posted 07-21-2000 11:06 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Crikey, good question:In my case it's probably about 50/50.
I've got plenty of scores which are great on their own, but on seeing the film the music is recorded at a terribly low volume or not there at all. If I'd seen the film first, I probably wouldn't have bought the CD, and I'd have really lost out.
On the other hand, sometimes I see a film I really like, to which the music seems integral in many scenes, yet which make for a long haul as a listen.
In the first category I'd mention many of John Williams' scores, which nearly always are rewarding listens on disc, no matter how badly dubbed and edited in the actual movie.
In the second category I might say something like The Game. I love the film, and on screen the music gives goosebumps, but it's a real cure for insomnia on its own.
I generally buy if I like the composer, regardless of the film.
posted 07-21-2000 01:04 PM PT (US) 
Rang
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Say 95% of the time, I'll see the film first, then buy the soundtrack, so the majority of my collection consists of scores of which I've seen the film they were written for. When I've broken custom it's primarily because all attempts at finding a copy of the film - for rent or to purchase, but in that case, it must be reasonably priced - have failed. A recent example of this would be MR. SKEFFINGTON, which I haven't found or seen, but I like Waxman's music, so I took a gamble on the soundtrack. Nonetheless, I would like to catch a viewing of MR. SKEFFINGTON at sometime. But I'd eventually like to see all the films I own scores of (which is few to begin with) that I have yet to see.
posted 07-21-2000 03:39 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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All I can say Camillu is if you ever get to hear John Barry's fine score to StarCrash,.....Do your best NEVER to see the film!NP : funny enough it's StarCrash just as I came across this post!
score ****/*****, film zilch/*****posted 07-21-2000 06:10 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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I would say about 80%. But often I will buy the score and after listening to it, I want to see the film. Sometimes just listening to an old score makes me want to revisit the film.I know you hate things like this Thor, but to me its not really reliving the film that I like about listening to the score, but remembering the experience.
For example, when I listen to The Matrix, I don't see the movie, I see my sister turning to me excitedly and saying "Just who are Warchowski Brothers and how do we get them to make more films!"
posted 07-21-2000 08:31 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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I don't buy a score because I want to re-live the film. If I wanted that, I'd buy the stinkin' thing. But let me say though, that the movies from my childhood in which I remember the score with the movie are held dear to my heart. Stuff like The Goonies, or Indiana Jones or Star Wars.Instead, for me it's about the music and the various styles and intricacies therein.
I just don't want to sit and watch every movie ever made so I can hear the music.about 85% of my scores are to movies I haven't, or have no intention of seeing.
I, too, buy on the strength of a composer's name. Newman(s), Waxman, Bernstein, Burwell, Poledouris, Williams, Goldsmith, Barry, Doyle, and Elfman are all almost automatic purchases for me.
posted 07-21-2000 09:01 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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I always buy Williams regardless. Sometimes I will with Goldsmith. Usually I'll check the reviews of the score before I buy it. Or if a movie looks promising or interesting and the composer is one of my other favorites I will buy it before I see the movie. Also if it is a James Bond movie (although I got stung by Goldeneye) I'll get it as well. Just depends I guess. I won't buy Horner anymore, unless I listen to clips or see the movie first.
posted 07-21-2000 09:07 PM PT (US) 
Will

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I usually don't buy CDs without watching the movie first. Only in the case where the soundtrack is highly recommended by you guys that I will just go ahead and buy it without watching the movie.Soundtracks that I own without watching the movie:
1. Drop Zone
2. Kalifornia (1 score track)
3. Rudy (my brother's recommendation)
4. The Cider House Rules (though I own the video, I am still yet to watch it!)Other movies where I have watched the movie some time ago without remembering much of the score:
1. Legends of the Fall
2. Crimson Tide
3. The Long Kiss Goodnight[This message has been edited by Will (edited 22 July 2000).]
posted 07-22-2000 08:13 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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I almost always buy without watching the movie first. I'm not much of a movie fan, and to be quite honest, 95% of the scores I own by Goldsmith are done for movies that I would never care to watch. It is interesting, though, to know the music and then watch the film. I did that with First Knight... I always wondered what "The Gauntlet" cue went with. It's fun to think "ah, so that's what goes with that music."Sometimes I go to a video store and rent based on who composed the music... One movie I did this with was The Eiger Sanction (Williams). Great score, horrible movie.
Jurassic Park is one of the few scores I have that I can play the movie back in my head while listening to the music.
posted 07-22-2000 12:40 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Once upon a time, I would commonly buy scores without knowing the movies. Early in my purchasing career, though, I discovered that an excellent Maurice Jarre score like THUNDERDOME or CROSSED SWORDS did not mean that APOLOGY or JULIA & JULIA would be of the same caliber. As well, I had to learn that a cool album cover (e.g. Ernest Troost's DEAD HEAT) did not mean the album wouldn't suck (e.g. Ernest Troost's DEAD HEAT). Except for Goldsmith, Williams, Ifukube, sometimes a couple of others (Chris Young, Carter Burwell, a few others if the disc looks cheap enough, e.g. Howard Shore, but not James Horner anymore) -- except for these, I won't do that now. In the case of my Goldsmith library (I hate the word "collection" in this case, it implies I "collect" his work for the sake of just having it; no, I get it cause I want to HEAR it), I'll buy Goldsmith absolutely blind, and therefore have not seen a great many of the movies he's scored -- very few of those from the 1960s or earlier, and many of his 70s titles are obscure to me also (THE TRAVELING EXECUTIONER, HIGH VELOCITY, etc.) I used to buy Horner blind because of the occasional surprise like BALTO or the finale of THE PELICAN BRIEF, but he has fallen so far into hackdom at this point that I know he's impossible to trust. I got MIGHTY JOE YOUNG because I liked the movie and the "Windsong"; as a consequence, I later picked up BICENTENNIAL MAN, but felt extremely burned and cheated. I saw THE PERFECT STORM last night, and know I would never bother with an album -- had the same reaction to DEEP IMPACT. Seventy-five minutes of sludge, arguably one of the worst and laziest film scores of recent years. THE PERFECT STORM is no better. I can't believe the big deal people were making out of the electric guitar licks -- what, that effect appears maybe twice? The whole of it is the usual interchangeable Horner lather. It must have been a real effort for him not to call up the Celtic pipes (hey, the main characters are from Gloucester! They're descended from the English, aren't they? Or at least the Irish. Oh, what's it matter, it'll sound cool on the album.)I bought Williams' STEPMOM blind, and didn't much like the album -- he's no more 100% on all the time than any other composer; PRESUMED INNOCENT is a snore of an album too, but has its moments -- anyway, he's more often rewarding than nearly any other composer out there. Ditto Mr. Goldsmith. I'm always willing to roll the dice with those two, but very few others.
posted 07-22-2000 02:18 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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H. Rocco, I've read millions of your posts and have always valued your points of view. That's why I feel I can say to you now, please listen to Stepmom again. I thought it was a bit inconsequential on the first few listens, but it has turned into one of my favourite scores. Subtle yes, but ultimately quite heartbreaking (whilst avoiding the 100-strings treatment).Sorry if this has nothing to do with the topic.
posted 07-23-2000 01:49 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Thanks for the thought, Mr. Watt. I've actually toyed with the idea of renting the movie -- not that I think I'd like it, except I AM a big fan of Susan Sarandon and Ed Harris; and Julia Roberts was fun to watch before she became JULIA ROBERTS. It's the curse of Chris Columbus that's kept me from renting that one. But I've thought I might appreciate Williams' music more once I heard it in context. He IS a master, after all. I would never sell the album, I've had the experience of falling in love with a score I thought I didn't like, too many times. (Those of you who think Williams' NIXON looks like a boring album: No way!!! It's one of the most thrilling things he's done in the past two decades! You liked EMPIRE STRIKES BACK? You'll like NIXON! Awright? Awright!)NP: FIRST BLOOD (by some other master, I'm told Sean Connery wishes to replicate his scalp)
posted 07-23-2000 08:12 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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A big thumbs up there your H'ness, NIXON is a superb score and one that crept up on me gradually. The final track 'The Farewell Scene' is perhaps one of the most achingly poignant pieces ever commited to film.NP : One Million Years B.C. - Mario Nascimbene
posted 07-24-2000 04:40 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
