Any other good origins of bootles stories out there? Which sound pretty awful or have superb quality?

(I hope I'm not creating some kind of message-board faux-pa by asking these questions.)

someone here was going to send me Saturn 3 and Buckaroo Banzai. Who was it, and why didn't the deal work out?

conveniently, I lost the email awhile back.

The HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS story: Horner quite obviously pilfered from Carl Stalling's music throughout, but an equally obvious -- and more bizarre -- theft involved Nino Rota's theme to Fellini's AMARCORD. (It's that wacky saxophone motif.) This is the story I was most reliably told: Rota's estate sued Disney; this was settled out of court. One consequence was that Disney would not permit an album. (I was also told that Horner was compelled to rewrite and rerecord parts of the score for video release, but I have no idea if this is true, not having heard the video.)

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Originally posted by H Rocco:
I could tell you where bootlegs come from, but then they'd have to kill me ...

The HONEY, I SHRUNK THE KIDS story: Horner quite obviously pilfered from Carl Stalling's music throughout, but an equally obvious -- and more bizarre -- theft involved Nino Rota's theme to Fellini's AMARCORD. (It's that wacky saxophone motif.) This is the story I was most reliably told: Rota's estate sued Disney; this was settled out of court. One consequence was that Disney would not permit an album. (I was also told that Horner was compelled to rewrite and rerecord parts of the score for video release, but I have no idea if this is true, not having heard the video.)

NP: THE HAUNTING (Jerry somebody)

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He also ripped off his own ALIENS score and David Grusin's GOONIES theme. It doesn't sound like he re-scored the video version becuse the Carl Stalling Powerhouse theme is still there as well as the crazy sax music.

<As I approach the dealer's table I notice that it seems to be "themed." There is netting with fake sea crabs and swordfish on the wall behind. The proprieter of this particular table is standing in one corner and appears to have a real parrot on his shoulder. It is when I notice his peg-leg that he begins to speak.
"Arrrr!!! Would'ya be likin' some copies matey???" The pirate then reaches into his boot and pulls out several items. In his swarthy paws are very suspect copies of Goldsmith's rejected STAR TREK IV:The Voyage Home score, Elfman's rejected score for ED WOOD and the X-MEN film on CVD. I inform this Ishmael wannabe that I'll pass on the former two and simply take the X-Men film to which he replies, "Arrrr!". I thank him and take my leave. Halfway out into the parking lot I regret not having purchased all three items. "Oh well", I say, "I bet eBay has them,">

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There's no doubt that the term "bootleg" isn't an unfamiliar term to the film music world. These rarities are looked upon in either two ways: a pagan symbol of death, or for some a shimmering gleam of light. Even basing lightly on the phrase, "One man's trash is another man's treasure," how could such a contrast be affiliated with one silly little term you say? Before we can provide a simplistic answer, let's look at the history of just what "bootleg" means (bear with me here if you know the story).

Bootlegging actually began during the American Civil War when peddlers hid bottled whiskey in their cowhide bootlegs (hence the term) during an illegal liquor traffic. The term stuck throughout the following decades and held on to its' meaning throughout the Prohibition in the U.S. when alcohol, and the transport of, was illegal. Later, the term came to define other goods that had been smuggled and obtained by illegal means and came to apply to illegal recordings made of live concerts by those who wished to hear certain songs or performances that weren't available on the album releases of their favorite band (done religiously at probably every Greatful Dead concert). These recordings would be sold for a fee which presumably was to cover the price of the materials.

Today, with soundtrack bootlegging, many of the recordings are sold for profit and without the discretion and permission of the material's owner (soundtrack distribution company, publishing house and/or composer). Some have tried to pass their bootlegs off as "Promos" or Promotional Discs meant to be a release to promote the composer's work without the money put into the widespread release of a soundtrack album. While these Promos exist, I don't think John has had any of these discs released of his music. He's never had to.

It's easy enough to figure why people would try to illegally obtain the material, burn them to a disc and distribute them. Sometimes it's money, but I'd like to think that it's a general respect and care for the music itself and bringing it to the public. But what about the fan? The college student who, from his $6.50/hr job, sees these wonderfully over-priced treasure troves of completeness.... The thought of hearing that 42 seconds of music that wasn't released on the commercial soundtrack album is worth the price enough!

The way I figure it is this: Record companies, composers and publishing houses aren't going to go broke from Joe Bootleg making a buck or two on making a few souls happy. 99% of the people who buy the bootleg, either already own the soundtrack release anyhow, or go out and buy it after hearing their bootleg for the superior sound quality (in this case, bootlegs may help to a small degree to the sales of a commercial release).

One way we could prevent this from happening in the future would be to release small numbers of these discs done properly by trained technicians in a Promo Release form. This means that the disc is properly prepared, often times with liner notes, including licensed artwork, the proper usage fees paid to the owner of the material and a limited printing to keep the price of production down. Promos are more money than a regular CD, but far less than a boot and the sound quality is always better than a boot. Groups like Film Score Monthly and Intrada have made their best efforts to making releases like this possible, and to them, I tip my hat. Hopefully, we'll see more of these kinds of releases in the future.

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