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    Topic:   Who Should Score the Upcoming "Lord of The Rings" Films?

     Shivered_McTimber
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    The movie that I simply cannot wait for has intrigued me fully.

    But the question remains, who will score this most epic film of our time?

    I began to think about possible people who would be best for this, and can think of only a few. They need to have that epic sound, and they need to be good.

    I would simply cry if someone like Danny Elfman made the film all scary-like by adding his creepy music (Don't get me wrong, Danny Elfman is one of my favorite composers, but he's not right for this film).

    I guess I would like to see David Arnold do this, but he has more of a way with Sci-Fi. Hmmm. Perhaps John Williams (My all-time favorite composer). He would do a good job, and seems like the best choice, though he's already got his hands full with a number of films.

    What do you think, anybody. Who should score this soon to be "Legendary" film?

    ~Shivered

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    posted 07-15-2000 08:48 PM PT (US)     

     DeadPoet
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    I actually think Elfman would be a great choice for the film. He's certainly more than capable of composing a score that is epic, without using his "creepy" style of music. Another obvious choice, and a likely candidate, is Horner. He can great very memorable themes and he could no doubt creat a very epic score for "Lord of the Rings." Of course, there are many who fear that he'll just reuse some of his music, and it's an understandable fear, but I would hope he could come up with some originality for the score. Another choice I would consider, though some may disagree and even I'm not %100 sure he'd be the right choice, is Patrick Doyle. He's a very good composer and has a knack for righting terrific choral music. And finally, one that I would enjoy seeing score this film, though it's definitely a long shot, is Thomas Newman. He's a very interesting composer and should be commended for his originality. I love almost all of his work, and I'd like to see him be able to undertake a series of movies of such high caliber and anticipation as the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy. But this is a very long shot. It'll be interesting to see who finally gets the job. Just my two cents.

    --Jason S.

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    posted 07-15-2000 09:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Doyle? Ooh. I like that. He has a knack for writing impressively huge operatic pieces. His style might fit this epic quite well. Truly not a bad idea, Jason S.

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    posted 07-15-2000 09:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Can't we wait tell the films release for this topic, but oh well.

    James Horner.

    --Kyp

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    posted 07-15-2000 11:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Composer Robert Folk needs a job...a real job.

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    posted 07-15-2000 11:54 PM PT (US)     

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    And so does John Scott.

    As film music fans I think we should be thinking about those great composers who just can't seem to get a big break.

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    posted 07-15-2000 11:56 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    An excellent idea, and funny I should read that this second, because:

    NP: MAN ON FIRE (John Scott)

    I'd love to see Christopher Young cut loose on material like LOTR.

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    posted 07-16-2000 12:51 AM PT (US)     

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    there's plenty of people who would do a good job on this movie.

    I'll throw out another name:
    Howard Shore.

    talk amongst yourselves.

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    posted 07-16-2000 05:34 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Horner? Nah. I think his scores lack the "depth" needed for LOTR. Also, hearing the Khan theme during Frodo's escape to Rivendell, the main theme from Schumann's 3rd symphony as the theme for the Riders of Rohan, the Klingon theme for the Orcs and the Star Wars ostinato during the climatic fight between Frodo and Gollum would really ruin the movie for me. Don't get me wrong - Willow would be a great score, and I still enjoy listening to it. But anytime this Schumann theme appears I start to laugh out loud.

    I think these particular movies need a "psychological depth" that not too many composers can provide. So much cannot be visually shown here, and that's where the music is more important than elsewhere. Also, I trust many composers to write a score in the vein of Rosenman's LOTR (although it's very hard to come near this masterpiece). Rosenman's work was perfect for the movie he wrote it for, but a REAL LOTR movie would need a quite different score.

    LOTR has so many aspects. You can (and may have to) leave out certain parts of the novels, but if you leave out one of those "aspects" (for lack of a better word), the movie looses much. The story is very dark, of course, but in contrats to what is shown in the animated film (and heard in Rosenman's score), there are also many light, beautiful and awe-inspiring parts. The best score in that vein that comes to my mind is Williams' Jurassic Park.

    I think Patrick Doyle would have been a great choice, especially because of the songs. But as they still haven't chosen a composer, it's much too late for that. Doyle would also fit this "psychological depth" I mentioned, I still call him "Master of Underscore".

    Williams would still be my first choice, for obvious reasons. Goldsmith? Nah, not for this one.

    However, as they have been filming for quite some time now, and still not chosen a composer, I think they already lost much. They left out the songs, which are among the most important things in the novel (and I'm usually very sceptical of songs in movies). Also, this is are movies which I feel should be partially based on the score, which would again be one more point for Doyle. Come on, guys, pick a composer before it's really too late!

    NP: The Ninth Gate (Kilar - I'm still not convinced that he would be right for LOTR, either)

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    posted 07-16-2000 06:49 AM PT (US)     

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    I wonder why people keep saying this person ain't right or that person ain't the right choice etc etc, I think most top flight composers worth their salt could compose a good score for this film, Williams, Goldsmith, and Horner would all be good 'safe' choices. I bet hardly anyone here would contemplate John Barry as a choice for LOTR!?, but just go listen to The Lion In Winter or The Last Valley?!, the man is more than up to the job, and the BEST film song writer out there to boot!!

    Just for the record I still stick by what I said months ago on a similar thread as regards who I think should score LOTR.....

    WOJCIECH KILAR IS DA MAN!!!!....OK!

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    posted 07-16-2000 08:22 AM PT (US)     

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    I want Joseph LoDuca!
    His score for "Army Of Darkness" is brilliant.

    He could do it...I think

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    posted 07-16-2000 09:01 AM PT (US)     

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    Wasn't Wojkeich Kilar already slated as the composer? The source was the original press release regarding the movie.

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    posted 07-16-2000 12:46 PM PT (US)     

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    No he was on the list to score the film, Horner it still the fornt runner that New Line wants.

    --Kyp

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    posted 07-16-2000 01:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Heaven forbid Horner is hired on for this project. No one who has read the trilogy at least twice could possibly associate Horner's sacchrine, easy listening drivel with Tolkien's fantasy realm. What the series obviously needs is a mature musical voice, posssessing both the intelligence and the imagination to conjur Middle Earth. Jerry Goldsmith is the obvious choice. Others I would consider:

    John Scott
    Philipe Sarde
    Elmer Bernstein
    Shirley Walker

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    posted 07-16-2000 02:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, as long as we're making Christmas wishes...

    James Horner would be an excellent choice. I think his musical voice would accentuate the epic quality of the stories, as well as add that magical/semi-ethnic flavoring that the film requires to really flow and breathe adventure.

    Depending on which of Tolkiens' songs they decide to feature in the film...I think that Horner can address that feature, as well.

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    posted 07-16-2000 03:13 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    Depending on which of Tolkiens' songs they decide to feature in the film

    None at all, it seems.

    NP: The Phantom Menace (Williams, I guess)

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    posted 07-16-2000 03:17 PM PT (US)     

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    Of which particuar brand of ethnic flavouring do you speak...Orc? Oh yes, I do recall, Enya did do of a cover version of that old standby, "The Orc In Me" accompanied by sakahuchi and a Korg. Ya, it was a real winner with the elevator crowd. Goooooooooo....Lancelot!


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    posted 07-16-2000 03:29 PM PT (US)     

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    [Applause from the Peanut Gallery.]

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    posted 07-16-2000 03:34 PM PT (US)     

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    I'd say, a composer definitely qualifies if he comes up with one theme for the Ring, and a slight variation of that same theme for Gollum. (that doesn't mean he HAS to do this, but IF any composer would suggest it, he should get the job, because I think this would show that he knows what it's all about)

    NP: The Phantom Menace (Williams)

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    posted 07-16-2000 04:14 PM PT (US)     

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    If Horner gets the job, then almost without a doubt, for Gollum's "theme," we will be hearing that four-note horn motif Horner loves so much. I hoped we'd heard the end of it by the time of WILLOW; as late as ZORRO, he's still using it. Horner could hardly be more wrong for this material, and I'm not sure I'd pick Goldsmith or Williams either, since they've visited this territory so many times already. Kilar is still an interesting idea, but I kind of think he won't get it. My vote goes to someone younger who hasn't gotten a chance to cut loose on this kind of material yet. (No, NOT Eric Serra.)

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    posted 07-16-2000 07:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Basil Poledouris would be high on my list for this film(s). It's been quite awhile since he 's been let loose on something 'epic'. A great deal of creative energy looking for an appropriate avenue there; plus he has expressed an interest in the movie.
    Recently I've become a big fan of John Scott (thanks to this board!). Would love to here him write some big themes for such a big story!
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    posted 07-16-2000 07:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Poledouris would be just fine. My other three favorite names so far: John Scott, Christopher Young and Wojciech Kilar.

    This is probably no weirder than the suggestion of Thomas Newman above (unless it IS weirder): what about Carter Burwell? He writes wonderful melodies, is good at darker stuff, and showed with CONSPIRACY THEORY that he can write massive action cues -- although those in CONSPIRACY THEORY were sort of pop-flavored, since that's what the picture seemed to need. Scores as dissimilar and excellent as that one, ROB ROY, and THE JACKAL are considerable proof of his great range and largely underrated talent. It would be fascinating to hear him tackle something of this scope.

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    posted 07-16-2000 09:32 PM PT (US)     

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    H Rocco,

    I don't know if my suggestion of Thomas Newman is any weirder than your suggestion of Carter Burwell, but they both are pretty interesting picks I'd say :-) Burwell is actually an intriguing pick, and he has shown his versatility as a composer. Both your pick and mine are probably long shots, but they're still intriguing nonetheless.

    --Jason S.

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    posted 07-17-2000 02:18 AM PT (US)     

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    I doubt it will be Goldsmith or Williams, although they would of course be my choices.

    Horner....

    John Scott or Robert Folk sound good. Hmm...why not Michael Giacianno? I think he would be perfect. Or Joel McNeely, he can sound like Williams or Goldsmith at the same time. Let's not forget Bruce Broughton who would just provide a killer score here. Hey, isn't it time our own Aaron Collins starts moving in big?

    Just thinking out loud (as always)

    Scott

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    posted 07-17-2000 08:01 AM PT (US)     

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    Jerry Goldsmith. Consistently, the ONLY composer I trust to write what would be a perfectly constructed score of noteworthy music.

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    posted 07-17-2000 09:06 AM PT (US)     

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    Killar
    Goldsmith
    Shore
    Poledouris
    Sarde
    Scott...

    .... would be a great choice

    Well, almost anyone could deliver a serviceable (never great as the above mentioned) score for LOTR, except of course:

    Zimmer
    Elfman
    Horner

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    posted 07-17-2000 12:00 PM PT (US)     

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    ....[sigh].... didn't see *that* coming.

    [This message has been edited by Lancelot (edited 17 July 2000).]

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    posted 07-17-2000 01:00 PM PT (US)     

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    ... and of course (how could I fogot to mention him) the great Sonrisal COLESTEROL.

    Altought I doubt he would acept to work with a director who worked once with one his ex-students...

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    posted 07-17-2000 01:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Who should score The Lord of The Rings? Two words . . .

    Elia Cmiral!!

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    posted 07-17-2000 01:52 PM PT (US)     

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    The Dust Brothers with Billy Corgan.


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    posted 07-17-2000 02:37 PM PT (US)     

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    HA. JJH. Thumbs down, man. That wasn't funny.

    How about Marco Beltrami? His Salvation score is really a great listen, something I think may get close to certain elements of Rings. This kind of movie would also give him the chance to workout his skills for fantasy composing. I bet we'd all be pleasantly surprised, as we regularly are with most of his scores.

    What of it? Any response?

    PeterK

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    posted 07-17-2000 03:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Okay, how about this:

    Every single composer in the world can compose exactly One Minute of material for the films, then they edit it all together, and Voila [SP]! You get a rather themish "Quilt" of music.

    It'll sound like absolute garbage, but it would give everyone a fair shot, no?

    I'm all for John Williams. Afterall, he is my hero, and I'd love to see what intricate themes he could wind into the whole wonderful Tolkien Trilogy.

    I've always been a fan of Tolkien, and have read the LOTR about 6 times. I love it! The Silmarillion and The Hobbit as well.

    (I heard that they're cutting my favorite character out of the film. Goodbye Tom Bombadil *Sigh*).


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    posted 07-17-2000 05:20 PM PT (US)     

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    man, tough crowd tonight.

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    posted 07-17-2000 06:05 PM PT (US)     

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    AdministratorK: Marco Beltrami hadn't occurred to me, but he IS a competent composer for orchestra, and is precisely the sort of person I was talking about when I was suggesting younger, less-tried names. If I were hiring, I'd probably give him a shot. (How many demo tapes are going to be produced between now and then by every composer out there who's hot to do this project ... I'd be as curious to hear the rejects as I'll be to hear the final version ...)

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    posted 07-17-2000 06:22 PM PT (US)     

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    Don Davis
    Patrick Doyle
    Carter Burwell
    John Ottman
    Elliot Goldenthal
    Aaron Collins
    Christopher Stone
    Trevor Jones
    Joel McNeely

    and, of course...

    Richard Band!!!

    Thomas Newman?? You call THAT a long shot?

    James
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    posted 07-17-2000 08:31 PM PT (US)     

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    Shivered - It's people like you who make me realize just how talentless I am when it comes to MIDI-composing. Listening to your "The Battle of Torkah," I literally burst into tears, crying out, "Why!? Why can't I do something like on my keyboard!?"

    Anyway, just wanna say you've got some great little pieces on that site, though I haven't finished them all.

    Keep up the great work.

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    posted 07-17-2000 08:56 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by dantoris:
    Shivered - It's people like you who make me realize just how talentless I am when it comes to MIDI-composing. Listening to your "The Battle of Torkah," I literally burst into tears, crying out, "Why!? Why can't [b]I do something like on my keyboard!?"
    B]

    That's really funny, seeing as I'd listen to John William's music, and say "Why!? Why can't I do something like that with my MIDI!?"

    It's really encouraging to hear the compliment. People tell me that I'm good, but I can do better.

    Someday, (And This is one of my dreams), I shall hear my music performed by a full orchestra. That will be so awesome. Yes, it will happen someday.....

    Also, I have some "Other" MIDIs that I haven't released on my site yet. Some of these are the best stuff I've written.

    ~Shivered http://members.aol.com/wizzez/midi/midi.html


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