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Lonely Guy
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I was at a used c.d. store a couple of days ago and they had a copy of the Varese Lifeforce c.d. for 6 bucks. I almost bought it, but then I thought, "Didn't the Milan c.d. have more music on it?" Then I listened to it. DAMN! IT SOUNDED JUST LIKE JOHN WILLIAMS!!!! The orchestration was EXTREMELY silmilar to Williams, and the melodies were very reminiscent of Williams. scores.
I know Williams was under the "tutelage"(of sorts) of Mancini, but this was ridiculous!
Has anyone else noticed this?
posted 07-09-2000 07:35 PM PT (US) 
Ford A. Thaxton

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I know this score rather well and it sounds like pure Mancini to my ear.I hear licks he used in "The White Damwn", "Wait Until Dark", "Sunset", "Visions of Eight",etc..
What you might not know is that LIFEFORCE was very much a return to the style that Mancini used back in the 1950's for alot of low-budget horror films like "It Came From Outer Space", "Creature from the Black Lagoon",etc....
There's a great album called Monsters,Murder and Mayham" or something to that effect that shows off the darker and more orchestral side of the Late Mr. Mancini's work.
Did you know that John Williams got his start as a session piano player and worked in Mancini's orchestra for years, as a matter of fact he was the pianoist on PETER GUNN TV Series. Which predates the start of his own Career.
What you are hearing might well be the influance of Mancini on Williams as opposed to the other way around.
IMHO of course.
Regards
posted 07-09-2000 07:53 PM PT (US) 
André Lux

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LIFEFORCE is one of the best scores I've ever heard. Specially when you consider how ridiculous the movie actually is.There's nothing to do with John Williams' work if you ask me (actully you did).
A ***** score!
The Varese release is the best, with a great cover and cristal clear sound. Avoid the Milan release at all costs, not only because the sound quality is grotesque but most of all because of the unbelievable horrendous cover!
posted 07-09-2000 08:11 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I agree with Ford & Andre.
Lifeforce is great Mancini...no borrowing from Williams whatsoever.
posted 07-09-2000 08:48 PM PT (US) 
Lonely Guy
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Hiya, Ford!
Actually, I was aware of all that you mentioned! I dunno, I've always kind of had this dislike for Mancini. I've always felt that his pop style was a detriment to the art of film scoring. Cheapened it in a way.
But I DID absolutely love what I heard of the Lifeforce score and WILL pick it up when I return to that store. I will then no longer be a Mancini virgin!(HAH!)
Thanks again.to the other poster(Sorry; I forgot who it was!
) Thanks for the advice about the Varese being better than the Milan!!!posted 07-09-2000 08:49 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Mr. McKone would be very unhappy.Shaun
posted 07-09-2000 09:14 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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MONDAY, JULY 10, 2000:Lonely Guy returns to the discount CD store, only to find that the one copy of Lifeforce has already been sold.
"HA, HAAA!" laughs the store manager, "Late AGAIN, Lonely Guy! That CD was SOLD just moments after YOU put it back on the rack! It was purchased by a fella with two gorgeous blondes on his arms! He told me that he met them at www.prisonbabes.com! Two hours later he called to tell me that he SOLD the Lifeforce CD at eBay for $200!!!"
"Next time, I'll think about BUYING a bargain CD!" Lonely Guy laments...

posted 07-09-2000 09:43 PM PT (US) 
Ford A. Thaxton

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LONELY GUY said <<<<I've always kind of had this dislike for Mancini. I've always felt that his pop style was a detriment to the art of film scoring.>>>There are alot of things I could say in reply to this.
What I will say is this, Henry Mancini was IMHO was one of the greatest composers EVER to work in Hollywood, In my view is was in the same league as Rozsa,Herrmann,Waxman,Goldsmith,Newman,etc..
His scores set a very high standard in the field, His "Pop Style" was designed more for the record buying public when it came to his soundtrack albums, however his scores were quite a different matter...
Go watch "Days of Wine and Roses", "Two for the Road", "Wait Until Dark", "The Night Vistior","The White Dawn", "The Great Imposter" and countless other others.
The Man was a master of the art of scoring,a first rate musician and a kind and giving human being.
The Day he died we lost one the giants of film music.
And LIFEFORCE is IMHO one of the best scores I've heard in the last twenty years.
Regards
Ford A. Thaxtonposted 07-09-2000 10:23 PM PT (US) 
SPOR

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Like Shire's Return to Oz and Scott's King Kong Lives, Henry Mancini's score to Lifeforce is among those unsung triumphs of the 80's that were trampled to death by the Williams publicity machine.
posted 07-09-2000 11:47 PM PT (US) 
logied

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As an avid Mancini collector and admirer I
agree with Ford. Like all the greats of the
business Mancini came to TV and Movies with
his own voice of music and made it his own.
My big regret and the regret of, I hope others, in the film fan music business is the lack of score material for Mancini versus his studio recorded material.
I would love to see a complete score by
Mancini surface on tape someplace.
I think Lifeforce is even unique for Mancini
but that to me even makes it more special.
For those who question the effects of Mancini's scores I always send them to see two scenes in the movies, the Rhino chase in
Hatari and the Death of Mark in Creature From
the Black Lagoon.
posted 07-10-2000 04:56 AM PT (US) 
André Lux

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I agree with everybody here.Mancini was (and still is) one of the greatest composers of our time.
For the guy who started this thread to bash Mancini (sorry, can't remember his name) I would sugest: go find "THE GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE". Simple one of the best scores for an animated movie I've ever heard!
posted 07-10-2000 07:56 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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One of the absolute best title themes ever written.I just found The Great Mouse Detective awhile back. Fun stuff!
NP -- Thin Red Line, Hans Zimmerposted 07-10-2000 08:50 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Agree with ALL of the above postings, I always felt his 'serious' side to scoring was very much neglected throughout the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Yes, he was up there among the giants!NP : HAMMETT - John Barry
posted 07-10-2000 09:26 AM PT (US) 
mlw
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It doesn't bear any resemblance to Williams. It's an original accomplishment. The Varese and Milan discs are identical. There is rarely a score as tight and powerfully symphonic in form as this.
posted 07-10-2000 02:03 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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I thought it was a great score. By the way, I seem to remember that Michael Kamen and David Whitaker had some input there. Anyone confirm this? Come to think of it, the overall sound was, whilst identifiably Macini, tinged with that heavy, sinuey texture that David Whitaker brought to Vampire Circus. Just my imagination?As for the film, it's one of the nuttiest things I've ever seen, almost awe-inspiring in its badness. Yet it's another of those hugely enjoyable guilty pleasures. Good shots of naked women too.
And when Frank Finlay utters "Here I go!", well, that's a touch of genius!
posted 07-10-2000 02:13 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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Memories of a delightful "Mr. Hobbs" thread on the 'other' 'board......Interesting how Mancini soundtrack albums like Tiffany's weren't score albums, per se, but mostly pop-arranged pieces derived from score themes. Gleason did the same thing for his (credited) Gigot album. Either way, the sound is oh so marvelous.
PS
Hey Shaun, here's a preview of Part 3, now that you mention it...Steve brought up Mancini and the "cocktail sound"; after excitedly correcting him on the proper usage of the McKone classification "cocktail lounge music", the juices got flowing again.
"I don’t know how many times the subject of 'Moon River' came up, but it wasn’t a true Mancini celebration until Guy talked about his favorite placement of it in Breakfast At Tiffany’s. And for the rest of my everlovin’ Tiffany-viewing life, every time that Greyhound bus pulls out with Buddy Ebsen ('Doc') staring wistfully at his beloved Lula Mae...well, it's impossible not to think of Guy. That shot with that music was Guy’s signature piece. He owned it."
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[This message has been edited by Howard L (edited 10 July 2000).]
posted 07-10-2000 02:33 PM PT (US) 
logied

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Just recieved today a copy of Mancini's
Sound and the Score Book with records enclosed. This orchestration book is interesting but alas I can,t read music.
posted 07-10-2000 03:37 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by logied:
alas I can,t read music.It's not that hard to learn if you have a piano or some other sort of keyboard, actually. The main problem is to be able to read it fast enough so you can play at normal speed without counting the lines for each note - I can't.

NP: Anton Bruckner: Symphony #8 (Kölner Rundfunk-Sinfonie-Orchester/Günter Wand)
posted 07-10-2000 05:24 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Mancini's dramatic instincts were vastly underrated.I understand that George A. Romero wanted him to score THE DARK HALF, but the studio was in violent opposition to the idea, so thoroughly mired in the "Mancini=pop" delusion were they. (Romero was happy with the score he WAS allowed to purchase, by Christopher Young. Although as Chris would be the first to admit, Mancini was masterfully scoring Universal horror pictures while Chris was still in his jammies.) Mancini did get to score the strange psychic horror film FEAR, however (1990 or thereabouts.)
Some of Mancini's score was lifted from the film of LIFEFORCE, to be replaced with tidbits by a young unknown named Michael Kamen (none of whose work appears on the Mancini LIFEFORCE album, of course.) I think a third composer may have worked on it as well, but the IMDb doesn't have the name. David Whitaker, mentioned above by Mr. Watt, is as good a guess as anybody.
[This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 10 July 2000).]
posted 07-10-2000 05:49 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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HEY YOU GUYZ!!!
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS THREAD HAS GOTTEN SO FAR WITHOUT EVEN SO MUCH AS ONE MENTION OF THE MOLLY MAGUIRES!!!
NP: The Molly Maguires Manciniposted 07-10-2000 06:32 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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While Mancini is best known to the layperson as essentially a pop composer, it is nevertheless obvious from the films he scored, even in the sixties, that his dramatic sense was spot-on.His earlier horror scores are classics of the genre, and while LifeForce is something of a return to form, it is with a larger palette than he had previously had access to at Universal, therefore giving the score a much larger scale.
The album is quite good and highly recommended.
The American version of LifeForce severely cut down a long sequence at the beginning of the film in which the characters explore the alien craft. This was re-scored by Michael Kamen and James Guthrie, with a bit here and there from David Whitaker.
The version that appears on laserdisc and DVD is the original version, and contains none of this music.
posted 07-11-2000 10:11 AM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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However, Swash, this sequence is still editted down. Even though Mancini's score has been put back in there are still big gaps in the music.
posted 07-11-2000 12:09 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Oh, I didn't say it wasn't, I just meant only to point out that the European version of the film (the one currently available on video) does not contain the re-scored material.
posted 07-12-2000 07:17 AM PT (US) 
Howard L
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I've been playing a certain driving Lifeforce sound in my head, trying to figure out where I've heard that "sound" before. And now it occurs to me--it was during the scene in "10" when Weber (Dudley Moore) is rescuing the newlywed husband at sea. And now it REALLY occurs to me--that was also a Mancini score.
'S amazing how these associations happen; could be wrong, though, but I'm pretty certain...
posted 07-14-2000 10:03 AM PT (US) 
Todd Reifinger
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I just posted on an earlier "Lifeforce" thread (concerning Colin Wilson's excellent novel "The Space Vampires," on which the film is based), and then I find this one. Oops.Anyway, since this is a more general Mancini thread, I have to ask the following:
Am I the only person who likes his score for "Tom and Jerry: The Movie"?
posted 07-14-2000 02:45 PM PT (US) 
logied

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No TR, your not the only one who likes T&J.
posted 07-14-2000 03:31 PM PT (US) 
Todd Reifinger
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Glad to hear it, Logied!"Food Fight Polka" is a riot!
posted 07-14-2000 05:31 PM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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TARANTULA
TOUCH OF EVIL
PINK PANTHER
BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S
CHARADE
HATARI!Henry Mancini, we miss you.
posted 07-14-2000 05:45 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
