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    Topic:   pronouncing composers' last names

     dantoris
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    Okay, I'm pretty sure Goldsmith is pronounced the way it's spelled, but I've always been curious about Silvestri. I've been pronouncing it for years as follows . . .

    Sil - like window "sill"
    ves - like the "ves" in "investment"
    tri - as in "tree"

    I've never heard his name spoken, only read it. Does anybody know if this is the correct way to pronounce it, or am I off anywhere?

    I'm just bored as hell and was wondering. Thanks.

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    posted 07-07-2000 02:50 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Dantoris, you must have been VERY bored! I say Silvestri like you do, but his grandparants might say Seelbestree, stressing the middle syllable as we do.

    How does one pronounce Gil Melle? That last "E" has a grave or an acute on it (can't remember the difference), so is he Gil MellEY (nearly, but not quite, as in George), or is he simple Mel?

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    posted 07-07-2000 02:59 PM PT (US)     

     SFT
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    Very interesing topic - as far as Silvestri is concerned, I have nothing much to add.

    BUT - how about composers like Krzysztof Penderecki, Wojciech Kilar and Bent Fabricius Bjerre? How do you pronounce their names??

    SFT

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    posted 07-07-2000 03:25 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I've always heard it:
    "Kreeshtoff Pender-eki"

    "Wo-check Keelahr"

    Bent Fabricius Bjerre? who is that?

    NP -- Stanley & Iris, John Williams; not sure how you pronounce this guy's name.



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    posted 07-07-2000 05:50 PM PT (US)     

     J. Peter Wolk-Laniewski
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    OK, I know I'm not a composer, but I think it's obvious that this subject has special meaning for me. Out of curiosity, how would you guys pronounce my last name?

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    posted 07-07-2000 05:56 PM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    Wolk - La-new-ski ?

    I took German in high school, but I wasn't big on Waxman or Wolfgang Korngold then ... so is Waxman pronounced "Vax-man" or "Wax-man," and is Wolfgang pronounced "Volfgang" or "Wolfgang." I should probably know Korngold's because of AMADEUS, but I don't.

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    posted 07-07-2000 06:43 PM PT (US)     

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    A lot of people seem to butcher Ennio Morricone's last name. Sometimes his first name too. And what about Lalo Schifrin?

    NP: Jerry Goldsmith: "Planet of the Apes"

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    posted 07-07-2000 08:52 PM PT (US)     

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    I once heard someone say Mark Mancina; "Mark Man'chee'na". which confused me becuase I was thinking "Mark Man'see'na".
    Which is right?

    Also I was saying Ba'seal' Poledouris, until I heard Austin Powers say 'Bazil'

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    posted 07-07-2000 09:56 PM PT (US)     

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    I too would like to know the correct pronunciation for Basil Poledouris.
    Is it Bayz ill? And does his last name have 3 or four syllables?

    Pol eh door is? Or Pole door is? Thanks.

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    posted 07-07-2000 10:04 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    For right now I'm just saying Bah'zil Pah'le'dour'is.

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    posted 07-07-2000 10:16 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Baa-zill Pole-ah-door-is.

    (if that makes sense.)

    NP: HARD RAIN (kristofur yung)

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    posted 07-07-2000 10:30 PM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    From what I've heard:

    WOY-CHECK KY-LAAR

    EN-YO MORRE-CONEY

    BAZL PAHL-DAARES

    Bjerre (BENT FAABREEZYUS BJER-REY) is one of Denmark's most famous (film) composers. He composed, among other things, the score to the faboulous norwegian claymation film PINCHCLIFFE GRAND PRIX (FLÅKLYPA GRAND PRIX)

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    posted 07-08-2000 04:11 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    En- ee- o Mo- ree- co- ne (like in "never")

    (I had Italian in highschool, although I've forgotten most of it).

    Rang, there's no great difference between "v" and "w" in German. "v" is sometimes pronounced like "w" and sometimes like "w".

    It's
    Air-ich ("ch" like in "loch")
    Wolf- ("o" like in "horn") gung
    Korngold

    and

    Max ("a" like the "o" in "come")
    Sty- ("y" like in "my") ner

    I'm not really sure about Waxman; if it's pronounced German, then it's
    Wax- ("a" like the "o" in "come" again) man (the same "a" once again)
    But normally, you'd spell it "Waxmann".

    J. Peter (should I call you "J" or "Peter?), what about:

    Wolk La-nyef- (like the "y" in "yes") sky?

    So, what about Goldenthal? Or Rozsa?

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    posted 07-08-2000 09:35 AM PT (US)     

     SBD
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    quote:
    Originally posted by S Smith:
    And what about Lalo Schifrin?

    I've been pronouncing his name like this:

    "LA-lo SCHIF-rin"


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    posted 07-08-2000 09:46 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Akira Ifukube:

    A-kee-ra Ee-foo-koo-bay

    (it actually sounds a little bit different in the Japanese accent, but this is the easiest for Western tongues)

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    posted 07-08-2000 10:11 AM PT (US)     

     Dawk
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    I had trouble pronouncing Elia Cmiral before listening to John Frankenheimer's commentary on the Ronin DVD.

    Dawk

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    posted 07-09-2000 11:31 AM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Me, too, Dawk. But I was pleased to find out that I was at least close to pronouncing it correctly when I heard Frakenheimer say his name.

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    posted 07-09-2000 11:47 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    So how is he pronounced?
    A-lee-ah Cmee-ral?

    NP: Requiem (W.A. Mozart; Vienna Philharmonic/Karajan)

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    posted 07-09-2000 12:03 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Elia is pronounced exactly the way it's spelled. E-lee-uh, I guess is the best example.

    Cmiral is pronounced smear-al.

    Hope this help!

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    posted 07-09-2000 12:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Concerning Wojciech Kilar...

    Two Polish friends of mine assure me that it is actually VOHJ-see-iH (the H being that hissing-type consonant common in German words like "buch"). The last name is indeed KEE-lahr.

    Zbigniew Preisner:

    ts-BIG-nee-ev PRICE-ner


    Sorry for the late response, I just got back.

    James

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    posted 07-14-2000 08:13 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Sheesh! I took two years of German in high school and still can't come close to pronouncing his first name!

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    posted 07-14-2000 08:15 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    'ey Cap'n, thanks for the word on Kilar. I myself thought it should have sounded the way you wrote it. Of course, if he had gotten the Oscar nomination he deserved for BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA, this would be less of a puzzle.

    NP: TORA! TORA! TORA! (FSM edition) (by some guy whose name I can't pronounce even when I can remember it)

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    posted 07-14-2000 08:46 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by dantoris:
    Sheesh! I took two years of German in high school and [b]still can't come close to pronouncing his first name![/B]

    Hm, this may sound a little strange, but try this:
    Say "book", but after the "k", release the tongue just so much that you can "exhale". That should produced the "ch" sound (the phonetic letter for it is "x", according to my dictionary, the "gh" in "ugh" is also pronounced that way - I was always wondering how to pronounce "ugh" ).

    NP: Psycho (McNeely recording)

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    posted 07-15-2000 10:16 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Gil Mel'lay (same accent on both syllables)

    Marc SHAY-man

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    posted 07-15-2000 06:30 PM PT (US)     
     

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