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JJH Oscar® Winner	quote: "All music rights licensed to Ensign Music Corp. BMI for U.S. and Canada." "All music publishing rights licensed to LEM (Paris) for the world except Italy (Radio Film Musica) and Japan (CAM, Japan Ltd.)" the preceding is included in the liner of the Mask Records (Italy) CD of John Barry'a King Kong. My question is, and these are the same people who brought us The Black Hole/ Howard the Suck, are these people bootleggers or not? I bought this disc from Intrada, much cheaper than Hole/ Duck, so I'm just wondering. thax, JJ
posted 07-03-2000 08:51 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Everybody I know seems to believe that the KONG disc is legitimate.
posted 07-03-2000 08:54 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	like I said, flood control sucks. Sorry PeteyK. [This message has been edited by JJH (edited 03 July 2000).]
posted 07-03-2000 09:13 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	oh dear, did I really write Howard the Suck? paging Dr Freud... PS -- this flood control thingy sucks eggs
posted 07-03-2000 09:15 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Has anybody noticed track 7 is missing the last 15 secs of music? Right after the sound effects fade there is a short build up of the orchestra and it is not on the cd. This was my first soundtrack back in 1977 so I would say I'm very familiar with it.
posted 07-03-2000 10:31 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	The music in question is there on my CD, Mark. (I just put it on to make sure.) I always thought that the post-sound-effects music in the cue you mentioned was mixed WAY too low for comfort on the LP, and it seems to be so on my CD as well. Same problem with the opening part of the final cue. And it was just like that on the LP as well. NP: my favorite cue in Barry's KING KONG, the vivid "Incomprehensible Captivity"
posted 07-03-2000 10:40 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	It appears I have a faulty cd then, sigh. This is one that definitely needs a remastered and expanded release, minus those damn sound effects. [This message has been edited by Mark Olivarez (edited 03 July 2000).]
posted 07-03-2000 10:45 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	is this CD basically the same as the LP release? it's only 40 minutes of music on the CD, about right for an LP.
posted 07-03-2000 10:55 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Oscar® Winner	Yep same thing as the LP.
posted 07-03-2000 11:04 PM PT (US)

Brad Wills Oscar® Winner	Mastered from an LP, in fact.
posted 07-04-2000 07:25 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	The thing that says bootleg to me (I've said this before, maybe somebody else can shed light on the subject) about the Hole/Duck disc are those "Bonus Tracks" on the disc. I think it is rare to see non-bootleg disc that contains extra cues that are not related (well, besides the fact that they were composed by Barry) to the other scores... shrug
posted 07-04-2000 03:30 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	that's a good point Jonathan, but why wouls an illegitimate establishment print emails, fax numbers, copyright info, etc on their discs? Can we consider Mask Records to be the same as the German Tsunami label? anyone know what else this Mask Records has put out? NP -- GF Händel, Piano suite in D minor, as performed by Keith Jarrett, a noted jazz pianist
posted 07-04-2000 08:45 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Some of the European labels have justified the releases of what many of us would call "bootlegs" as legitimate issues that somehow managed to fall through the cracks. Something to do with the multiple legalisms surrounding the formation of the EEC. Goldsmith said something about this to SOUNDTRACK! magazine last year, to the effect that it was ridiculous to pretend these issues were legal, but frankly, from the most narrowly legalistic point of view, they may actually be. NP: QB VII (unambiguously legal Intrada CD, from that fellow whose hair is coveted by Sean Connery)
posted 07-04-2000 08:51 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: that's a good point Jonathan, but why wouls an illegitimate establishment print emails, fax numbers, copyright info, etc on their discs? Good point, JJ... Whoever they are, I'm glad to finally have The Black Hole!
posted 07-04-2000 09:18 PM PT (US)

SEBULBA Oscar® Winner	I had the LP from years back, but found the cd release at Tower Records right in the soundtrack section. You bet I grabbed that sucker quick. Only $17.99. And mine is identical to the LP. No 15 seconds missing.
posted 07-05-2000 12:51 PM PT (US)

JEC Oscar® Winner	The legitmacy of this release was discussed on the John Barry discussion list. Someone who lives in Rome decided to check out the address, phone number, and fax. Here is what they said: http://www.egroups.com/message/johnbarry/5921?&start=5107
posted 07-05-2000 01:37 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	well. there it is.
posted 07-05-2000 01:55 PM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Oscar® Winner	Hmmm... Tower Records has a strict "No Bootlegs" policy, which means that if King Kong were not legit (and I think it was, when I worked there a friend of mine got a promo of it) it probably wouldn't be there. I think the "Mask" thing might just be a coincidence...
posted 07-05-2000 06:56 PM PT (US)

SEBULBA Oscar® Winner	That's what I would think. Tower wouldn't deal with bootlegs. I would think that they could get in some serious trouble in doing that. Which is why I thought it was just an import. But either way, I don't care, I got it.
posted 07-06-2000 07:48 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JEC: The legitmacy of this release was discussed on the John Barry discussion list. Someone who lives in Rome decided to check out the address, phone number, and fax. Here is what they said: ... Thanks JEC... mystery solved! NP: Hour of the Gun
posted 07-06-2000 08:00 AM PT (US)

Brian Mellies unregistered	I have both of the discs in question. As to their legality, I have no idea. But I can tell you that I am certainly glad I bought them, because I like the music. For the life of me I can't think of one single reason why I should be deprived of the joy of listening to music I love just because some multi-billion dollar conglomerate owned recording empire gets its underwear in a knot over what they should release based solely on what they think they can squeeze the most money out of. If they want my money, then get the cd on the shelf. Otherwise, I'll give give it to someone else.
posted 07-07-2000 03:38 PM PT (US)

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