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      Is Elliot Goldenthal insane? Cole and I can't decide...

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    Topic:   Is Elliot Goldenthal insane? Cole and I can't decide...

     Jeron
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    Alright... I'm listening to Interview with a Vampire in full for the first time. It's awesome, this has to be one of Goldenthal's better scores. Many of his scores I've listened to border on the edge of madness - but as Cole tells me, it's organized, planned madness. Track 15 (Abduction and Absolution) and 17 (Louis' Revenge) would probably be a perfect example of this.

    What surprises me most, is I haven't skipped a track yet... heck, it's almost over - and I'm enjoying it! Of course, Scott said this is his favorite Goldenthal disc, and knowing how his tastes are so similar to mine, my attentiveness doesn't surprise me.

    So, on to the question: Is Elliot Goldenthal REALLY crazy? Cole, being the intricate musician he is, analyzes this stuff as closely as Aaron Collins (who is also a Goldenthal fan) - and he doesn't know how anyone sane could compose music like this. This leaves me to wonder what kind of person Goldenthal is and how he is around people.

    Ah yes... and the Born to Darkness reprise (playing now)... it's incredibly dark and beautiful. Quite interesting the contrasting cues this guy puts together.

    Anyway, just thinking out loud.

    Jeron

    [This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 01 July 2000).]

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    posted 07-01-2000 01:25 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    From what I saw of him on a program with his lady Julie Taymor, he seems completely sane to me. Like any artist, he is very obsessive with his work. His unconventional, powerful music is incredible to listen to, no matter how odd it can get. I think it is obvious how he can compose this style of music- he's the protege of Corigliano!

    Then again, he's not the only one who can score unconventional music... listen to some of Howard Shore's "experiments" in music and atonality (or his eXistenZ, which was actually an experiment in tonality at the bare minimum). It is odd. Some composers can be more identifiable by their atonal compositions.


    NP: Vangelis's "Blade Runner"

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    posted 07-01-2000 02:58 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I tend to agree. Goldenthal's so sane it's scary.
    On would think one needed to rather insane to come up with some of the stuff on TITUS, but then listening to Cobb, Interview, In Dreams, Golden Gate, you get the sense that this guy is a musical giant already. I'm to the point where I look forward to every Goldenthal score with much anticipation. Almost as much as a Williams score.

    NP -- TPM complete


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    posted 07-01-2000 03:22 PM PT (US)     

     Ford A. Thaxton
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    TITUS is one of my favorite scores of the year, BRAVO!

    If Goldenthal is insane, it's a delightful and enriching madness...

    Let's hope it lasts a lifetime.

    Regards


    Ford A. Thaxton


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    posted 07-01-2000 03:24 PM PT (US)     

     Tim_P
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    Jeron- Listen to Goldenthal's Drugstore Cowboy- that will answer your question!!
    Interview with the Vampire sounds like Mozart compared to that score- for other journeys into Goldenthal's soundworld- check out The Butcher Boy, In Dreams, Sphere, and Golden Gate (among others) Those four scores are truly original and inspiring and quite insane- but it's a wonderful insane.

    Nonetheless, from what I've gathered from interviews and articles, Goldenthal is very sane- but is a true artist. I think being truly creative and artistic is sometimes confused with being insane.

    Tim
    (Goldenthal's biggest fan)

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    posted 07-01-2000 03:43 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    But he was a perfect fit for The Butcher Boy... a movie told through the eyes of a kid going insane? Why, it was made for Goldenthal.

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    posted 07-01-2000 04:04 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jeron:
    [B]Of course, Scott said this is his favorite Goldenthal disc, and knowing how his tastes are so similar to mine, my attentiveness doesn't surprise me.[/B

    Jeron, dude...where are you? Miss you. Get online. Talk to me.

    Oh, gosh...no, Goldenthal isn't insane, I AM!

    WHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAHAAHHAAAAAAA....


    NP: Insanity is a virtue


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    posted 07-01-2000 06:47 PM PT (US)     

     SFT
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    "I think being truly creative and artistic is sometimes confused with being insane."

    I couldn´t agree more! Anyone who has ever heard some of Krzysztof Penderecki´s work (particularly "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima") would, upon first listen, assume that the man is mad. BUT, it is only when you truly understand the nature of his approach to music and his artistic vision that one realizes he is brilliant.

    SFT


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    posted 07-02-2000 02:53 AM PT (US)     

     André Lux
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    Gondenthal rules!!

    Yes, he's insane. Just like me!!

    I love his scores...

    MORE, PLEASE.

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    posted 07-02-2000 06:39 AM PT (US)     

     Aaron Collins
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    Well, I am now moved into my apartment at college. I start classes on Monday!

    Goldenthal is by far one of my favorite composers, second only to Williams. Every piece of music he composes is very complex and very, very enjoyable. Goldenthal was educated by Aaron Copeland and John Corgliano, and it shows in his music. I do not have much time, so I will continue this post at a later time.

    Later,
    Aaron

    NP: Chicken Run

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    posted 07-02-2000 07:03 AM PT (US)     

     Jack
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    The thing I like about Elliot is you don't know what to expect when you first play the cd. Only score he has done that I really hated was Cobb. I still like Demolition Man which was the first of his scores that I bought.

    N.P. The Wind and the Lion

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    posted 07-02-2000 09:18 AM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    From the first time I saw "Heat" I have despised his work. He killed "Sphere" (read the book and you will know why I was so exicted about the movie and score, but alas I was very dissapointed in both) and he also destroyed "Batman Forever and Robin." I hate his music.

    There I'm done and await death blows form everyone

    --Kyp

    NP: MI2/Hans Zimmer

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    posted 07-02-2000 10:34 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    One of the most impressive composers I've heard. Interview with the Vampire is great (BTW, did you spot that motif from Poltergeist in two of the later tracks?). The first score by him which I noticed was Alienł, which I find fantastic, but can hardly listen to on CD. He CAN write very insane music, just check out all those weird quotes from Also Sprach Zarathustra and Psycho in his Batman Forever.

    NP: The Pirates (Phillipe Sarde), in memoriam Walter Matthau

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    posted 07-02-2000 02:58 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I wonder why Goldenthal polarizes people. He seems very accessible to me. (The music, not the person, I've never met him.) I frankly think he inspires the kind of reactions Goldsmith did at the dawn of HIS career -- people didn't always know what to make of old Jerry back then, either.

    Elliot crazy? Like the old fox. You try and carve out the career he's managed. I hated the first score of his I heard -- PET SEMATARY -- and didn't think much of his award-winning DRUGSTORE COWBOY either, but the magnificent ALIEN 3 put me firmly in his corner. And I agree with Mr. Thaxton above: TITUS was one of the finest film scores of 1999.

    Has anyone heard Goldenthal's 1992 Varese album GOLDEN GATE, and if so, what did you think of it? (I couldn't afford to buy it on spec at the time.)

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    posted 07-02-2000 04:04 PM PT (US)     

     Sean Bires
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    The best artists always look/seem crazy. Even in his underrated "Sphere"; what seems like loud, annoying, senseless trumpet blasts are actually brilliantly intricate... and the haunting simplicity of the track, "Wave".

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    posted 07-02-2000 05:48 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    H'ness:

    I'm listening to Golden Gate right now.

    It is a fabulous score, and not at all anything like he has done since. The opening theme is filled with pleasant, slow strings (which pervade much of the score), and some Japanese instruments/ scales, sultry romantic saxophone, electronics, etc.
    and a wacked out electronic track called Bopathonix Hex.

    Very good CD, and a change of pace that might interest Goldenthal fans. I know I was very pleasantly surprised by it.


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    posted 07-02-2000 07:43 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Thanks! Is the movie any good? (I'm more tempted to spend one or two bucks on renting the picture than eight times as much -- perhaps -- on a disc I might not eventually like. I tend to "audition" scores that way nowadays.)

    NP: QB VII (well, I knew what THIS was going to be!)

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    posted 07-02-2000 08:16 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    I've said it a million times before, and I guess I'll say it again. The "Unknown Entry Event" cue from Sphere, as heard in the film, is one of THE best examples of a powerful piece of music that is flawlessly combined with the images onscreen. When I heard it in the theater, I was blown away. The cue is pretty much beyond description in its perfect fit with that scene. I think it is one of Goldenthal's greatest film scoring accomplishments thus far.


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    posted 07-02-2000 08:27 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I have not seen Golden Gate. Heard it was rather rank as a film anyway.

    Pity. I wish I had known of your interest in the Golden Gate score CD. A town 2 hours up the road, in Hasting's has about 15 copies of this CD on clearance for about 2 bucks, brand new, sealed. I would have been happy to get it for you. next time I go up, I'll get it.

    NP -- Carla's Song, George Fenton

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    posted 07-03-2000 08:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Ironically, I am listening to IN DREAMS by Goldenthal right now and find it to be one of his best compositions. Having seen the film (which wasn't THAT bad), I can certainly see how each note blends in perfectly with what is happening to the Annette Benning character. If Goldenthal is insane, then more power to him, as long as he continues to express the insanity in his music.

    =)

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