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James

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The only Young score I have is Judicial Consent, which I love, and lots of people seem to like this guy a lot, so I'm seeking guidance in score-buying. What would be a good Young score to buy next? I've read that Hush and Urban Legend are good, but they're both somewhat expensive, and I don't always trust critics. So, what should I aim at?Thanks,
James
NP - The Last of the Mohicansposted 05-08-1999 03:48 PM PT (US) 
Moovtune

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I think you may like Copycat, Murder in the First, Jennifer 8 (if you can find it)and Hellbound.
posted 05-10-1999 12:27 PM PT (US) 
Magdi

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James,
you'll love Hush, Murder in the First, Jennifer 8, Flowers in the Attic, Dream Lover - they all have both a romantic and thrilling quality.But Chris Young has got a much bigger variety. Try his great horror scores (Hellraiser, Hellbound, The Fly 2, Hider in the House, The Dark Half) or some of his action material (Entrapment, Hard Rain). He's an expert in jazz, too (The Rounders).
posted 05-12-1999 10:11 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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I liked, Entrapment.
posted 05-12-1999 06:44 PM PT (US) 
SFT

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Copycat was a great score, but other than that I donīt think very highly of his work...he just isīnt very interesting to me.SFT
NP: Braveheart, James Horner
posted 05-13-1999 03:04 AM PT (US) 
Floyd Pepper

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Chris Young is one of my favourites... Hellraiser is an excellent Horror-Score, Hellbound suffers from a loss of atmosphere but sounds quite like an epic opera. Nightmare on Elm-Steet 2 is one of Young's earlier scores, but some of the Youngian sounds are already developed here. Bright Angel is a beautifully romantic score (highly recommendable). Invaders from Mars (the rejected score) is one of Young's most experimental scores, very modern, very un-hollywood-like. There has also been a release of Young's smaller pieces on Cinema Septet (2-CD limited ed.)featuring some Americana sounds and some of the re-written music for Invaders from Mars.
posted 06-02-1999 04:18 AM PT (US) 
Steve Hughes

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I really like Christopher Young's scores. I used to love them but recently a lot of his scores have been a bit OTT. Jennifer 8 and Copycat are his finest scores. The way he titles his tracks on his scores are always a lot of fun too.
posted 06-03-1999 10:11 AM PT (US) 
robin4

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Thanks all of you who recommend Hellbound. I saw it yesterday for $6, thought about the good comments, and got it. I have barely listened to any of it, but I already am glad I spent it. Thanks!
posted 07-27-2000 11:30 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Yes, HELLBOUND:HELLRAISER II, my favorite Young score,Boy I can't praise this enough!!I would also recommend The Fly II, Haunted Summer and The Dark Half, The Dark Half has just about one of the most spookily beautiful themes for orchestra and chorus I ever heard! (its the last track on the album called 'surprise'! The Dark Half!)
NP : BOOM - John Barry ****/*****
posted 07-27-2000 05:56 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Hey Cap'n, if you love JUDICIAL CONSENT, then do you ever have some treats in store! I consider that one of Chris's LESS INTERESTING scores!! All the suggestions above are excellent; here are some of my favorites:HELLBOUND (Saturn Award winner for Best Score) (GNP/Crescendo)
DEF-CON 4 (this is the one that first got my attention -- the Intrada CD includes excerpts from several other scores)
FLOWERS IN THE ATTIC (this is the one that finally made me a HUGE fan) (Intrada, slightly expanded from original Varese LP)
HELLRAISER (this came out a few months later and PROVED he was no flash in the pan) (Cinedisc, difficult to find now -- I've got two of em, though!)
THE FLY II (Varese)
SET IT OFF (Varese)
HARD RAIN (Milan)
URBAN LEGEND (only the promo is worth having)
HAUNTED SUMMER (Silva)
CINEMA SEPTET (Intrada double CD of some of his more obscure works, including the Emmy-nominated LAST FLIGHT OUT)
I think the Intrada site still has very cheap copies of certain of their Young releases for sale ... they were just 99 cents a pop (!) when I got them, and last time I looked, they were bumped up to $3.99 -- all are worth it. NORMA JEAN & MARILYN has some lovely tunes in it, and THE VAGRANT is as completely crazy a score as anyone's written in the past decade -- if not longer! I remember Chris being so proud of that one that he formally submitted it for an Oscar nomination, even though he knew he didn't have a shot in hell. He's said in interviews that when he lectures music students at USC, and plays bits of his own music, they're usually MOST intrigued by THE VAGRANT.)
Chris has a splendid official website:
http://www.christopher-young.com
Happy browsing! I think Christopher Young is one of the very finest composers of his particular generation, and am delighted that he's finally coming into his own. I really look forward to BLESS THE CHILD. (He felt completely O.D.'d on horror scores at one point during the late eighties/early nineties, but URBAN LEGEND proves that he hasn't run out of ideas for them yet ... he just needs a little more variety in his assignments, and now he's sure as hell getting em!)[This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 27 July 2000).]
posted 07-27-2000 08:02 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Hey Mr. Rocco,I really had a problem with HARD RAIN when it came out, thinking Young couldn't get away from whatever the film was temped with. It's been a while since that film came out, but I think I recall the main title a super-generic Jerry Goldsmith power play. I could be wrong, and I should pull out the disc and check... BUT, I must defend my thoughts for Young's true talents. While every composer may get dogged now and again by a temp track that doesn't go away, Young has come up with a very distinctive voice over the years. Jennifer 8 happens to be one of my favorite suspense scores of his, God knows he's done enough, and Murder in the First his best dramatic score. I am most often pleasantly surprised by his ongoing output. Hopefully, he'll slow down on the cigarettes so we can be surprised for a long time to come....
PeterK
NP - "An Almost Perfect Affair" by Delerue
posted 07-27-2000 08:50 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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(sigh) Chris is still chugging away on his beloved cancer sticks? No big surprise ... (is he still pounding Mountain Dew like there's no tomorrow? Our boy sure does adore his artificial stimulants ...)I've thought that Christopher's EARLY work is often superior than the "big" stuff he's done in recent years. I thought MURDER IN THE FIRST was a borderline offensive film, not through any fault of the composer's, but still would put that score well below some of the others he's done. Watching the main title montage of Kevin Bacon being tortured in solitary for years, and listening to this bizarre Howard Hanson/John Williams BORN ON THE 4TH melange, all I could think was, "This is the beautiful anthem for some poor guy constantly getting beaten up!" I didn't blame Chris, I blamed the ridiculous director Marc Rocco (NO relation!) (who at least had the sense to appreciate Young's work in the first place, but MURDER IN THE FIRST is a wretchedly conceived and executed picture, any way you slice it. Well, not the music and a couple of the performances, but you know what I mean.)
I thought HARD RAIN's opening was arguably overly similar to the several-years-older BAT-21, but the harmonica solo helped make it into a different animal, as far as I was concerned. The action cues that followed were among the LEAST Goldsmith-derivative Young had ever written up till then. I was pleased that he seemed to have found a kind of middle-ground between scoring an action film "Goldsmithy" (as he so often did, and as so many others still and always will do), and putting his OWN distinctive voice to it. I think he's managed to keep this up. ENTRAPMENT didn't strike me as one of his better scores in the theater (still haven't tracked down a cheap disc of it yet), but who knows why that might be? I just heard IN TOO DEEP, and I have to admit I was grossly disappointed ... one of the few really ordinary things he's ever done (that I know of, but my Christopher library is pretty comprehensive). And I couldn't help thinking that the same thing happened on IN TOO DEEP that we know happened on ROUNDERS ... Miramax wanted him to tone himself down, and ordered various rescores. Compare IN TOO DEEP to SET IT OFF, and they almost sound like different people wrote them. Then again, not having seen IN TOO DEEP, maybe that IS the score the movie wanted ... but I do expect more from him. Which I know is unfair. Nobody's 100 percent all the time.
I really MUST pick up THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO LITTLE -- heard that on a cable broadcast and fell immediately in love with it.
posted 07-27-2000 09:13 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Rocco's gonna hit me, I know it, but I have to say this: Christopher Young's action music all sounds exactly the same. Listen to (especially) Hard Rain and Urban Legend, and you'll know what I mean. Hard Rain's M.T. is a pumped-up Night Crossing (at least that's what I'm hearing). I really, really like Chris Young, so it pains me to say all of the above. I like his Vagrant (still don't have it, though!)/Tales From The Hood/Wonder Boys kind of stuff more, but that's just me.What do I know?
Shaun
posted 07-27-2000 09:17 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I'm just starting to get into Young's work.
I like Hellraiser II and Murder in the First.
I'm into melody, and Young doesn't use much melody. I did rent The Vagrant and Def Con 4 last week. Really well-done, unique scores, but I wouldn't want to listen to them as stand alones. Now about those two movies. Oscars for Best Pictures?
NP Dinosaur
posted 07-27-2000 09:27 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I'm gonna have to smack the sh*t out of you, Rutherford ... I'll buy a whole separate ticket to do it. (Wednesday good for you?)I never said Young's recent action music wasn't interchangeable -- much of it is. Soooo ... how much of Goldsmith's have you heard? We've already compared notes regarding ON CAPRICORN STREET, excuse me, I mean ONE CHERRY CONTRACT, no, that's not quite right either is it, well never mind for now. (HIGH ALLEY? DAMNATION VELOCITY? EXECUTIONER CABO? THE TRAVELING BLANCO?) Anyway: For me, it's the tone, not the individual notes. Williams is just as self-derivative, and let's not even get into Barry and Elfman.
Perhaps Chris isn't even as happy in the action genre as he is in some others. URBAN LEGEND is a distinctly different score from some of the other horrors he's done. Who knows? Only he does. If he does. He writes brilliantly terse and tensile music for action films, but I'm not sure that he's emotionally that much tuned into them. It doesn't help that he hasn't done a really great action picture yet. I bet he'd do an amazing job on something that wasn't an ordinary action picture as such, e.g. LORD OF THE RINGS. (You should only hear the medieval stuff he did for a student movie back in his USC days -- or HAVE you heard it?)
For whatever reason, the best movies Chris happens to have done, for the most part, have been horror movies. Hence, most of the best music he's written has been for horror movies. Give him a DIE HARD or a CLOSE ENCOUNTERS or a PATTON, and I bet he'll come up aces. Right now, it's just a question of his GETTING THOSE. I have more confidence in his ability than ANY other composer in his generation except Carter Burwell, maybe Elliot Goldenthal, and maybe maybe Thomas Newman.
posted 07-27-2000 09:40 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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joan, haven't you managed to get Haunted Summer yet? It's heartbreakingly melodic, and I'll say for the umpteenth time (though nobody takes notice) that some of it is VERY like the love theme from The Wind And The Lion. That's melody!
posted 07-28-2000 02:04 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I've been to many videos stores, Graham, looking for it. No one has it. Maybe I can convince a store to order it.NP Hellraiser II
posted 07-28-2000 05:40 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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or maybe we could work out some kind of CHERRY 2000-like deal ... I'm not sure HAUNTED SUMMER (a Silva release) is still in print. You might try looking at their site, or Intrada's. The CD cover is really beautiful, I can't imagine why Cannon didn't use that image instead of the bland poster they DID use (and which is the video box image as well.) (Well, I can imagine it, Cannon was a fantastically poorly run outfit.)NP: SESSO IN CONFESSIONALE (Morricone) just ended. Not much melody in this one either, but I don't always look to Morricone for melody (although he's written some amazing ones.)
posted 07-29-2000 01:03 PM PT (US) 
shrubber

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Any comments on the oft-reviled, yet less often heard "Species" promo? Love it myself, though the sound quality sucketh mucho.
posted 07-31-2000 03:34 PM PT (US) 
robin4

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Up until about two months ago, I would have said that C Young was just another composer who was alright but nothing special. But then I purchased Hellbound: Hellraiser II. I immediately fell in love with the music (kinda weird, isn't it?). Just recently my brother brought home The Fly II for Halloween, and I had two great C Young scores to scare myself with on this spooky day. Now, I have a few questions. If I liked these, what else of his would I like? Where can I get The Fly II?On a post a while ago, someone was talking about how he likes to use anagrams of other composers names in his titles. If so, where is that, if anywhere, in these two scores?
By the way, the reason why I was not to thrilled with him before was because the only score of his I had was Entrapment, which, for a long time, has sat on my shelf almost as long as Cliffhanger. Thanks for your help.
P.S. Now that I think about it, he would be much better than Howard Shore for LOTR! Imagine how creepy that would be?!?!?! Yes, I can compare because I have been listening also to The Fly and was not particularly impressed. See ya, and thanks again!
N.P. Entrapment (heh,heh) <***/*****>
posted 11-06-2000 02:27 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Can't remember offhand what the composer names in HELLRAISER and HELLBOUND were, but in THE FLY II, it was "More Is Coming" -- run "more is" together and it becomes "Morris," as in John Morris. Chris meant that as a tribute to the composer who scored most of Mel Brooks's earlier films (Brooks ghost-produced the two FLY movies under his Brooksfilms banner.)NP: nothing, I'm writing this in the library.
posted 11-06-2000 02:56 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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quote:
Originally posted by H Rocco:
I'm not sure HAUNTED SUMMER (a Silva release) is still in print.Haunted Summer has been out of print for a few years now. What a fascinating score...
posted 11-06-2000 04:54 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Only now have I finally been able to listen to the original Hellraiser release on Cinedisc, and must say, while the contents are exactly the same as the Silva UK release, the mastering is completely different. What's the difference? Listening to Cinedisc's release is like hearing something behind the wall through a mouse hole. Translation: not very dynamic. Second translation: sounds good on 3" speakers. Go for the Silva UK release... (assuming there will be a choice when the opportunity arises!).Anyone else have these two and can agree?
posted 10-04-2002 08:54 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
