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    Topic:   The Saddest Score Ever?

     SFT
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    I had a little discussion going with Matt about wich score is the sadest ever, and now I would like to hear what everyone else thinks. My personal favorite would have to be Edward Scissorhands by Danny Elfman. I think itīs brilliant the way he captures the emotional state of the caracters and then, trough his music, makes us feel their pain. Just listening to the cue "Death" gets me every time. Well, what do you think?

    SFT

    NP: Edward Scissorhands, Danny Elfman

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    posted 04-17-1999 05:32 AM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Heh, this should hopefully make a good topic, figured id get my pick in real quick.
    My choice would have to be Schindler's List, especially the I Could Have Done More piece. an incredible piece of writing, emotionally captivating. I cant really describe it, unless I use the same example as SFT. It really conveys Schindler's pain in the scene, and transfers it to the listener.
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    posted 04-17-1999 10:14 AM PT (US)     

     SFT
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    I thought I would mention that George Fentonīs score to Dangerous Liaisons also contains some extremely sad music, som parts even just as good as Edward Scissorhands. Especially "A Final Request" is heartbraking.

    SFT

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    posted 04-17-1999 12:06 PM PT (US)     

     Gae
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    The saddest score that comes first to mind is "Miklos Rozsa's "Eye of the Needle". It has one of the most beautiful "Love themes" ever written and the intensity and anquish of the story never lets up in the music until the very last "Resolution and Epilogue" which always has me reaching for the Kleenex box. I guess I'm just a big ole'softy!! Gae

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    posted 04-17-1999 01:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Field of Dreams makes me cry, especially on track "The Place Where Dreams Come True" It reminds me of a baseball player I loved but never got to know, and now he is not on the team anymore, I don't know where he went! I miss him, and this score reminds me of him......

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    posted 04-17-1999 07:05 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    As a Horner fan i cant leave his stuff out. Id also have to add Titanic to my choices, The final track, Hymn to the Sea is very sad, and incredibly beautiful. And several parts of Glory(the music in the aftermath scenes) are extremely sad as well.

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    posted 04-18-1999 11:58 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh, by the way, am I the only one who thinks the cue "Selina Transformes" from Danny Elfmanīs "Batman Returns" is very sad also? (You know, the scene where Michelle Pfeiffer completely trashes her apartment).
    I mean, itīs not sad in the "normal" kind of way, but itīs very emotionel. Donīt you think?

    SFT

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    posted 04-18-1999 12:19 PM PT (US)     

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    The saddest score... ever... has to be my favorite CD; Michael Nyman's emotional soundtrack to the movie, "GATTACA". There's a powerful feeling of sadness and hope throughout the entire soundtrack (and the movie).

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    posted 04-18-1999 12:56 PM PT (US)     

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    Schindler's List (Williams)
    Gattaca (Nyman)
    Limelight (Chaplin)
    Mary Reilly (Fenton)
    My Left Foot (Bernstein)
    Les Misérables (Poledouris)
    It's My Party (Poledouris)

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    posted 04-18-1999 01:05 PM PT (US)     

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    The last six minute of the Ascent from K2 by Hans. Beautiful sadness, interpreted through lyrical layers of soli and interpolation of melodic lines. Also the first three minute or so of the Fan suite and Death of the First Born track from POE. Gets me every time.

    HD

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    posted 04-18-1999 01:14 PM PT (US)     

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    TRy Schindler or Beyond Rangoon by Zimmer
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    posted 04-19-1999 12:15 PM PT (US)     

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    Schindler's List is a score so sad, that i often can't bring myself to listen to it. Its just too depressing. But I also have to agree with Sean with Gattaca, which is haunting and saddening score.

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    posted 04-19-1999 12:18 PM PT (US)     

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    While I agree with the above post about Glory, about 50% of the music is upbeat. But The Whipping and Burning Dairen are both mournful and sad. The saddest track in that film, and in my opinion the saddest song for a motion picture, An Epitaph for War, is incredibly depressing...Oh well...

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    posted 04-19-1999 04:24 PM PT (US)     

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    I recently got Debbie Wiseman's WILDE, and it's without a doubt one of the most depressing scores I've ever heard (but I love depressing music). There are others, too. Although not the entire score is sad, that one track "Whispering Winds" on Horner's THE LAND BEFORE TIME, always gets me to the brink of tears. I also often cry during Michael Nyman's THE PIANO. And, the saddest to me... well, Danny Elfman's DOLORES CLAIBORNE literally pushed me into therapy. No kidding.

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    posted 04-19-1999 07:42 PM PT (US)     

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    I can actually bring myself to tears when listening to certain pieces, but for me I think it's because I'm remembering the movie. Empire of the Sun is one that always does it to me. Cadillac of the Skies.....I'm getting emotional just thinking about it.


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    posted 04-20-1999 05:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Wilde is very depressing indeed. If you liked that try Wiseman`s Tom and Viv as well, quite similar.
    PIetari
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    posted 04-20-1999 10:15 AM PT (US)     

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    James: Yes, Delores Claiborne is also very sad, but more in the nerotic, manio-depressiv kind of way. Maybe thatīs why you had to go to therapy after listening to it
    Are you that unstable?

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    posted 04-20-1999 12:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Without a doubt, the saddest score I've ever heard is Youngs "Murder in the First". Its just achingly beautiful. Kind of sounds like "Schindlers List", but I would have to say that MITF tops Schindlers as the saddest.

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    posted 04-20-1999 05:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Schindlers List and Avalon for me.

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    posted 04-21-1999 09:32 AM PT (US)     

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    I think Seven Years in Tibet is the saddest score that I have. But I havn't got Schindler's yet, from the amount of people voting for Schindler's that sounds like it is the saddest.

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    posted 04-21-1999 09:55 AM PT (US)     

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    I'd agree that Schindler's List and Empire of the Sun are two very sad scores...

    Also, How the West Was Lost (Volumes One and Two) also have very, very sad music.

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    posted 04-21-1999 02:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Armageddon - Long Distance Goodbye, Wing and a Prayer
    The Mask of Zorro - Diego's Goodbye
    Lois and Clark (by Jay Gruska) - Superman Says Goodbye

    Wait a minute... does this means that all the goodbye tracks are sad tracks?

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    posted 04-21-1999 09:35 PM PT (US)     

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    Hmm, Schindlers List is certainly moving, and I think the music Harry Gragson Williams did for Armageddon (some of it, certianly the love theme and the more low key versions that carry the tune of "Wing and a Prayer") is moving too.
    Also, the FILM VERSION (composed by Harry not Trevor as the CD version is) of Long Distance Goodbye in Armageddon is very nice too, again it caries the theme of "Wing and a Prayer".

    I certainly agree that Delores Claiborne is also sad and moving too.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 04-22-1999 03:04 AM PT (US)     

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    For me ,during the ending of "Spartacus" when Kirk Douglas is crucified and the beautiful "love theme" of Alex North is playing I just cant hold back the tears. Maybe its a bit "sad" but I also admit to "filling up" during the ending of E.T. with William's glorious music playing! I can play this music without watching the movie and it still has the same effect. Is'nt that why film music is so great? We can associate it with a scene or emotion even while we're not watching the movie. Gae

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    posted 04-24-1999 04:53 PM PT (US)     

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    just watched The Untouchables, and the music during the scene where Sean Connery dies(as well as Charles Martin SMith) is very sad. Morricone did a great job with that score btw.
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    posted 04-24-1999 10:40 PM PT (US)     

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    The Crow is also very sad...even many of the action cues have a feel of melancholy to them.
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    posted 04-28-1999 10:16 PM PT (US)     

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    How suprised I am to see that none of you are Thomas Newman fans. If you want sad music turn to Thomas Newman. Look at Scent of a Woman or parts of Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile. His all time saddest score, and the saddest score ever, is American Beauty. Program tracks 16-18 in your CD player and try to get through them without crying. I laso beleive that the saddest score is directly related to how you felt about the movie. For the saddest score to work it needs to bring back images of the movie.

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    posted 05-03-2000 08:46 AM PT (US)     

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    SFT - I agree with you about the Batman Returns cue "Selina Transforms". But, IMHO, the all-time saddest cue is "The Grand Finale" from Edward Scissorhands.

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    posted 05-05-2000 06:02 AM PT (US)     

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    I did a review of Saving Private Ryan when it came out. Let me post it here, because it seems to fit:

    "When I saw this at the cinema I wasn't over-impressed with the score. I hadn't heard any of the music beforehand and as the lights dimmed I thought, "Cue the solo trumpet". You know what? It was a French horn (I think), but you get my meaning. About twenty minutes into the film I was already suffering from shell shock and I bagan wondering which Monty Python sketch I was being reminded of (they do mention Monty in the dialogue, but they rwere probably talking about another one). I also began trying to imagine the effect an avant-garde score would have had, maybe something along the lines of the weird percussion and organised sounds that Williams wrote for Robert Altman's Images, way back in 1972. Then, when the music made a reappearance, it became clear that it was going to be completely tonal, and in fact my impression when leaving the cinema was that John Williams had provided another of his impeccable but predictable scores. In a way I was right, but I was also doing him a huge disservice. Here the composer doesn't highlight or dramatise the the individual events as such, but rather he is reacting to the events from a distance of half a century, when all that's left are memories. He did this in Schindler's List too. The beauty of that score was that it was almost unbearably heartrending whilst being completely dry-eyed, like a funeral on a cold sunny morning in winter. In that film it was like Williams was asking "What is there left to say?" whilst brilliantly summing up that very feeling. Here it's similar, and the bulk of the music works as an elegy for the dead, or to quote the title of the opening and closing track on the CD, a Hymn To The Fallen. The language he's using is familiar enough: it's that of JFK and Born On The Fourth Of July, and that is why it is in some ways predictable from the start. But the brilliance of John Williams is that, using the same old tried and trusted methods, and without having to resort to gimmicks, he has come up with another absolute masterpiece. There are no hysterics here. The pace is funereal yet never tedious. There's not a wasted note. It's to Williams' credit that even the ten-minute tracks are utterly compelling. The ghosts of the past communicate through the call of distant trumpets and far-off drumrolls, and if the idea of this sounds a complete downer, don't be put off. Although it's true that Williams largely refuses to get into the action and actually be there with the soldiers, when he does (for example in the track Defense Preparations, all nerves and agitation) the results are stunning. This score speaks to us with the utmost dignity and compassion and is an intensely moving experience. At the end of it you're actually grateful to John Williams for making you a better person, and that alone confirms him as one of the most important artists of his generation."

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    posted 05-07-2000 09:36 AM PT (US)     

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    one of the saddest, most depressing scores I know of Bernstein's Genocide.

    It is completely different than Schinlder's List, in that it's scored for a much bigger orchestra, that I can hear, and is very militaristic.

    but the overall experience of the Intrada album is sometimes overwhelming and very depressing, moreso than Williams' masterpiece.

    to me anyways.

    later

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