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    Topic:   underrated people

     Ben Penserga
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    I know we did this topic when the site first opened but I think it's time we brought it back up. What composers do you think don't get reconized? My list:

    Randy Newman
    Graeme Revell
    Elliot Goldenthal
    George S. Clinton

    How about you?

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    posted 11-15-1999 07:58 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    Definitely Richard Band!

    James
    NP - Tombstone (****)
    http://go.to/richardband

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    posted 11-15-1999 08:12 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron Hose
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    Underrated composers, huh...Well, I'd have to say Gabriel Yared. City of Angels was OK, but the score was just breathtaking!! Very, very romantic! And divine! And does anyone remember The Lover...and The English Patient!?!?!? Wew.

    Yeah, Graeme Revell is somewhat underrated. All I think of when I hear his name is that one score he did for Psycho IV. It was very well-paced, and much better than Danny Elfman's rendition of the original Herrmann score. His music for The Saint was much better than the movie will ever be. I really believe he should be considered for the next Bond movie.

    Randy Newman...Well, I don't really care much for his work. A Bug's Life's score was very memorable though. I also feel that he should not sing anymore. What an annoying voice. Of all the Newmans though, the most talented (and underrated for that matter) is Thomas Newman. He always puts out good stuff. I have yet to hear a bad score of his. Meet Joe Black is in my top 5.

    Strangely enough, since my opinion on this varies a lot from others', out of all the Alien scores, Elliot Goldenthal's version for Alien3 was the most powerful. It does sound weird at times, but the last couple of tracks are very deep and rich; full of agony. Interview with the Vampire is one of my fave scores. Plus I also enjoy his work on Batman Forever. These are three great choices for Halloween parties and haunted houses.

    George S. Clinton? Nah...

    Some other underrated composers: Carter Burwell (Being John Malkovich!); Barrington Pheloung (Hilary and Jackie); Patrick Doyle (Mary Shelley's Frankenstein); David Hirshfelder (Shine/Elizabeth) and Burkhard Dallwitz (The Truman Show.)

    Nuff sed.

    - A.

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    posted 11-16-1999 09:30 AM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    How is Randy Newman underrated? he was just nominated for 3(count em) academy awards in one year, id say thats pretty good.

    Graham Revell rules, definately deserves more recognition.

    Carter Burwell doesnt have as much recognition as williams etc, but he has gotten a couple of noms too. Loved his score for general's daughter, and mayn critics pointed it out in their reviews.

    Patrick Doyle: Henry V was brilliant, all i can say.

    As for that Alien 3 comment...well, we've all had this discussion before, so i wont get back into it since i feel i emerged victorious last time

    -Matt

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    posted 11-16-1999 12:47 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron Hose
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    Well, since I'm new to this forum, just tell me in hirty words or less how you attained your victory.

    - A.

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    posted 11-16-1999 03:04 PM PT (US)     

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    All I've got to say is, The Saint was an incredible movie. Definitely one of my all-time favs.

    Oh, and I personally think that David Arnold is sometimes underrated.

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    posted 11-16-1999 03:29 PM PT (US)     

     bogeyman2000
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    I would definetly have to say George S. Clinton. His score for Dollar for the Dead was great, but it was never released.

    NP - "The World Is Not Enough" (*****/*****)

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    posted 11-16-1999 05:21 PM PT (US)     

     BrettJames
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    I'd put my money on John Debney. Except for End of Days and Cutthroat Island he ususally gets kids movies and comedies, for which he usually writes a score better than the movie deserves. My Favorite Martian comes to mind....

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    posted 11-16-1999 06:53 PM PT (US)     

     J. Peter Wolk-Laniewski
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    Aaron:
    He didn't. The Alien3 debate was never won or lost by anybody. In the end, I found the words to make my point understandable to him and that was the end of it. From some perspective, one might assume that I won the argument, although I was going against popular opinion. Matt! How can you make such a claim? Did you think I wouldn't read this topic?

    As to the actual topic: Goldenthal(haven't heard from him for awhile, wonder what he's up to), Doyle, Anne Dudley, John Ottman.

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    posted 11-16-1999 07:38 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    why do you think i made it?
    I won because I am undisputed Lord and Master of all. is that less then 30 words?

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    posted 11-16-1999 07:47 PM PT (US)     

     Sean Bires
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    Underrated composers... hmmm... Elliot Goldenthal, Kenji Kawaii... hmmm... Jeehun Hwang...

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    posted 11-16-1999 09:17 PM PT (US)     

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    I forgot about the good old Pole, Wojciech Kilar. Although all I've heard from him is Dracula, I know he is good. He is definitely underrated just coming from people's responses here when they found out he is composing Lord of the Rings. Personally, I was surprised but delighted because I can't wait to see what he can do with those movies.

    N.P. Heat <***/*****>

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    posted 11-17-1999 02:53 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    There are two more I'd like to bring up... Zbigniew Preisner and Laurence Rosenthal. Preisner (The Secret Garden, Fairy Tale, Olivier Olivier) is a fountain of originality, and Rosenthal (Clash of the Titans, Becket, The Man of LaMancha) is extremely talented. He's been nominated for two Oscars, I'm surpirsed he isn't more successful. Nowadays he seems to just do tons of TV movies.

    James
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    posted 11-17-1999 04:35 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Goldenthal?...Hmmmmm
    Alien3 the most powerful score?...HMMMMMM


    Scott

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    posted 11-17-1999 09:12 PM PT (US)     

     Pete M
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    I'd have to say Robert Folk, Marco Beltrami, Bruce Broughton.

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    posted 11-18-1999 03:38 AM PT (US)     

     Floyd Pepper
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    Michael J. Lewis.

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    posted 01-14-2000 02:57 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Okay,
    I'm a little confused here. I would like to get you guys' definition of "underrated". A lot of the names showing up here don't fit my defenition at all. So please will someone clear up the matter for me? And yes I'm an uneducated idiot...

    Scott

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    posted 01-14-2000 09:11 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    I don't know about everyone else, but I was just going by composers that I rarely ever see talked about here, and are thus unknown. I guess that's not the same thing, though. What IS your definition, Scott?

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    posted 01-14-2000 09:28 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Well,
    my definition of UNDERRATED composer is anyone who hasn't done that many films yet and usually doesn't get any A movies or any jobs at all. '
    You see, we don't talk a lot about Morricone, yet is he underrated? I don't think so.
    The only underrated composers I can think of from the list I've seen are the Japanese ones and Robert Folk (who is a wonderful composer).
    So much for that I guess.

    Scott

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    posted 01-15-2000 11:39 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Most of the names above have always had their own cults, of whatever size. I'd like to point out someone who is REALLY UNDERRATED, and BARELY ACKNOWLEDGED: the American composer Terry Plumeri.

    The vast majority of his output is for stuff like RELENTLESS 4 and DEATH WISH 5 -- he's been stuck in direct-to-video exploitation for untold years-- but he's clearly a HUGE talent. He reminds me of what I felt about Christopher Young when I first heard his earliest stuff (DEF-CON 4, etc.), and look how far Young's come.

    Plumeri is having less success, which distresses me, but I certainly wish him well.

    Problem is, I can hardly recommend any of the films he's done! They're all pretty wretched! Which makes his sensationally composed music all the more impressive ... there's nothing else to pay attention to ...

    And George S. Clinton seems to be moving up in the world, which is all for the good. I REALLY liked his score for WILD THINGS. Even the two songs on the Varese album blend perfectly into the musical scheme of things.

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    posted 01-16-2000 05:08 PM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    My view on the more recent composers would be: Mark McKenzie and John Ottman. Both show a lot of potential.

    In the older bunch-Kaper, by far.

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    posted 01-17-2000 11:47 AM PT (US)     

     SFT
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    Do you mean underrated by the fans, or underated by the critics? There is a big difference.

    SFT

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    posted 01-19-2000 01:47 AM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    Elliot Goldenthal is definitely not underrated, or at least not anymore. He's received recognition, as is appropriate considering he's one of the best today.

    As for underrated composers:

    JOEL MCNEELY, JOEL MCNEELY, JOEL MCNEELY!

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    posted 01-19-2000 10:28 AM PT (US)     

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    John Ottman, Rachel Portman, John Debney and George Fenton are ALL under rated in my most humble opinion.

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    posted 01-20-2000 03:02 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    My picks:

    George S. Clinton
    Eric & David Wurst (low-budget composers whose talent rivals some big-budget composers)
    Shirley Walker
    John Debney
    Shirley Walker!
    Alan Howarth
    SHIRLEY WALKER!!
    John Carpenter

    ....did I forget to mention Shirley Walker?

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    posted 01-24-2000 08:34 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Mr. InSanDiego,

    How is Rachel Portman underrated? She already has an Oscar and more or less her pick of projects. Even Disney originally wanted her to do MULAN. But you knew that. (For those who don't remember, she bowed out of MULAN due to pregnancy. Goldsmith's score is great, but I'd love to know what Portman might have done with it.)

    Christopher Young is someone who hasn't quite broken through properly, though between this year's ENTRAPMENT and THE HURRICANE, he is finally getting both quality huge-budget assignments and quality character movies. Hey, what composer wouldn't kill to do a Sean Connery movie? (Though, ironically, I thought he did a more interesting job on the less prestigious actioner HARD RAIN. Well, there's no telling how these things'll work out.)

    Joel Goldsmith has lived somewhat unfairly in his father's shadow; I'm not sure whether his failure to break out huge is because his dad is inevitably in more demand, or whether Joel doesn't have a very huge ambition. A mutual friend (I don't know Joel) told me that Joel's basic attitude is "just get the job done." But he's done some amazing stuff. I refer you to MOON 44. He's also done some terrific synthesizer scores for pictures hardly anyone ever saw (in fact I can barely remember the titles ... one was OLIVIA [1981], directed by Ulli Lommel of THE BOOGEYMAN fame).

    I'm given to understand that Jerry Goldsmith conducted Joel Goldsmith's score to DIAMONDS, but Jerry's credit is nowhere on the front or back covers of the DIAMONDS CD (don't have it yet, but looked it over yesterday). You'd think that Varese would WANT to push Jerry's credit in order to help sell it. But I imagine that both Goldsmiths didn't want to exploit Jerry's presence to overshadow Joel's accomplishment.

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    posted 01-29-2000 11:56 AM PT (US)     

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    My vote for most underrated would go to Pino Donaggio, who wrote some wonderful scores. His "Tchin Tchin" is as varied and different from "Carrie" or "Dressed To Kill", as you can get. Two great scores, as well.

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    posted 02-01-2000 05:58 AM PT (US)     

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    Wojciech Kilar (Dracula)/Elia Cmiral (Ronin)/Joel McNeely/Philip Sainton (Moby Dick)/Hugo Friedhofer (The Best Years of Our Lives)/Hans Salter (House of Frankenstein)/Hmmm...Anyone else????

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    posted 02-01-2000 09:27 PM PT (US)     

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    To me underrated means quality people not getting the assignments or trapped in the B-movie ghetto. It seems to me that only a few of the people mentioned here fit that category. Nearly all of them are working on films with decent budgets, getting sizable salaries.

    I think we need to dig a little deeper and farther back to answer this question.

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    posted 02-02-2000 12:55 PM PT (US)     

     Chris
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    The first name of underrated composers that comes to my mind: JOHN DEBNEY!
    He is absolutely outstanding. His Score for "Cutthroat Island" makes me stand up and scream. Even so "Sudden Death" and "End of Days".

    Other underrated composers:
    - Michael Nyman
    - David Arnold
    - Elliot Goldenthal

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    posted 03-22-2000 09:31 AM PT (US)     

     Ron Pulliam
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    Most underrated -- Christopher L. Stone!!!
    I'd hire him to score ANYthing!!!

    Most Underappreciated/Underused:

    David Shire
    John Scott
    Michael J. Lewis

    Those guys can score anything, too!

    Ron

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    posted 03-22-2000 12:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Didn't realize they're not rated high, but Goldenthal and Doyle are certainly great composers, among my favourites. Another favourite of mine, Leonard Rosenman, is underrated at least on this board.

    I wouldn't call Philip Sainton underrated, though. His Moby Dick score is absolutely fantastic, but being his only film score, I fear he's not that important to film music in general.

    NP: Superman Expanded (very good)

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    posted 03-22-2000 01:10 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't think Goldenthal and Doyle are not rated highly. They just, for whatever reason, don't have as large a following as some other composers do.
    However, their music seems to get its fair share of respect by reviewers.
    I guess you could say the same for Rosenman.

    Then you have the flip side where you have composers like Horner and Zimmer who have large followings, but
    also some rabid detractors. Comes with the popularity I suppose.

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    posted 03-22-2000 06:11 PM PT (US)     

     SBD
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    Two words: David Newman

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    posted 03-23-2000 09:08 AM PT (US)     

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    Philiph Stainton
    (Yer Marian,I would call him Underrated.
    OK,Is his only film score but...
    Is amazing)

    Laurie Johnson
    Earle Hagen
    Allyn Ferguson

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    posted 03-23-2000 10:35 AM PT (US)     

     Chris
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    Oh, there's someone else that comes to my mind: JOHN POWELL. He didn't do much, yet but he did it very good.

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    posted 03-25-2000 05:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Frank Cordell:didn't do much,but what I have heard,I like.
    Les Baxter: Did a lot,but rarely heard nowadays.
    David Buttolph:Same
    Roy Webb:Same
    Bronislaw Kaper:Outside of Mutiny on the Bounty('63)Seldom heard.
    Hugo Friedhofer:Same,but starting to gain more recognition...Always a Giant among Pygmies!

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    posted 03-26-2000 06:52 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    Two names come to mind: Michael Small and Paul Chihara.

    Michael Small has some wonderful scores to his name, for example Marathon Man and The Stepford Wives. Haven't heard his Mountains Of The Moon: people say it's good.

    Paul Chihara is stylisticaly similar. I've always liked Prince Of The City but he never really hit the big time after that, getting kind of lost in TV-land. We shouldn't underestimate his TV work though: some of it is excellent (Rites Of Marriage; Noble House etc).

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    posted 03-26-2000 02:13 PM PT (US)     
     

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