I've read everything that I found here about this incident, and I honestly do not understand what the problem was!

I saw NO flaming, NO name-calling, NO hatred...only PASSIONATE DISAGREEMENT.

PeterK, I am another of the many who deeply appreciate this place, and wish to contribute to its healthy growth. I thank you again for establishing MovieMusic.com for US!

However, I happen to be a rather passionate guy...and occasionally that passion is unchained in a volley of phrases that could singe the hair of your chinnie-chin-chin!

Do I call people names? Do I make threats or belittle those who oppose me?

NEVER.

And I didn't see any of that in the thread that you "closed" either...THAT'S WHAT I FIND TO BE FRIGHTENING!

You didn't officially close it...but you threatened ME with a suspension if I posted there.

This situation is very troubling to me.

Perhaps I've missed something and have misunderstood what has occurred.
If so, please kick me in the pants and call me the "Village Idiot."

...been there, done that.

Any enlightenment provided by anyone at all would be greatly appreciated.

I thank you in advance.

Then some say that those who believe PMS can be auto-induced and think the idea of space travel is utter bilge are giraffe ranchers.

The point?

Giraffe ranchers should not be providing commentary about such topics as PMS or space travel. They raise giraffes.

Thanks in advance!

You really need to read all of the posts again. There are some potentially very ofensive and needles personal comments in a few of them (one being AudASSity).

Last comment. Last night the Lakers won and a few idiots descided to turn celabration into mahyem and stupidity. These people were not real Lakers fans, they were mostly gang members or just unzivilized individuals. The same kind of attitude sometimes creeps up in this message board. Sometimes I ask myself if certain individuals really love film music or just come here to start trouble, argue and offend.

'nough said.

Scott

Being the administrator of the board, I felt the discussion about how we need to discuss had outstayed its welcome and needed to end.

There was no threatening going on, I apologize if it came across that way. I gave people the option to go along with me and bury the thread, end it, or take a break from the message board for, gasp, a day. To a vocal few, that was hardcore censorship.

The other option would have been to just lock the thread. I don't even want to imagine this place if I did that. People cannot take that kind of "punishment" here, so my ultimate decision was to preserve the free will of people and let them chose to post or not. To some, even that was wrong.

Now that I've gone through the "censorship" montions a couple of times now, I see that starting a moderated message board has set myself up for being a control freek, wanting all the power in the world, being a totalitarian, etc.

It's amusing. There is no way to win being the administrator.

Another factor in trying to find out what the big deal was in those threads, Chris, was the fact that I am lenient when it comes to rule number one - that we've come here to talk about movie music. Just because other threads have gone off topic, why should I even think about removing, or closing, one over any other? I guess I am expected to let all things fly if I let one thing fly. Eh, I don't think so.

So, the whole thing wasn't totally about name-calling, as our last flare up so closely scrutinized. This time it was mainly about a subject we needed to move away from, lest we really distance ourselves from each other and good discussion about movie music.

Please don't be troubled. When you back away from it and look at things in perspective, all the incident was was a little bit of normal practice in moderated forum administration. If anyone doesn't like this place, they can certainly hang out at rec.music.movies all day, where there are no rules. There's something different about that place though... something is missing there.

Ah, for another time and another place...

PeterK

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I have had a few conversations with giraffe ranchers myself, but they were not as inspiring as the ones you mention- the giraffe ranchers themselves were chimps.

They are not as wise as the ranchers of which you speak. One of the chimps went into showbiz and greenlighted the film "Howard the Duck." This chimp was branded a giraffe, and, most ironically, was sent to his own ranch.

But, then again, I heard most of this from a barber-dealer, and the validity of a person who deals in barbers is always in question.

NP: Goldsmith's "Legend"

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Originally posted by Scott:
Last comment. Last night the Lakers won and a few idiots descided to turn celabration into mahyem and stupidity. These people were not real Lakers fans, they were mostly gang members or just unzivilized individuals. The same kind of attitude sometimes creeps up in this message board. Sometimes I ask myself if certain individuals really love film music or just come here to start trouble, argue and offend.

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Uau, Scott... This was the most petulant and implausible comment I've read here so far.

So, HOW do you know all that? Were you there to ask just EVERYBODY about their basketball preferences and motivations to do what they did?
So, according to your point of view, it would be ok to just shot all of them to death, right? Afteral, they "were not real Lakers fans (like SCOTT, the sage, I presume), they were mostly gang members or just unzivilized individuals."

This is just the kind of silly prejudicial and offensive comment that only serve to light the fire on people... How ugly!
You know, is reading nasty things like it that make me ask myself if certain individuals really love film music or just come here to start trouble, argue and offend...

It's highly possibly to call the riot outside the Staples center what it is without asking EVERY ONE of those 6,000 outside watching the big screen if they were gang members or real Lakers fans, even if one wasn't there.

The actions were very uncivil and not deserving of the respect you are trying to give them.

Scott's comment was full of more objectivity than yours, and had no tone of personal attack against anyone on the board. If you thought his comment was nasty, why not try reading your own, in which you specifically go after Scott with vengeance?

Your post here is exactly what I find unacceptable, Andre. Next time, try writing a response that isn't so directly personal and be more clearly objective about what your point is. What is your point anyway?

Please, less personal and more objective. Thanks for reading.

PeterK

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Your post here is exactly what I find unacceptable, Andre. Next time, try writing a response that isn't so directly personal and be more clearly objective about what your point is. What is your point anyway?

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My point, PeterK, is very obvious but I'll clarify to you: I didn't say it's ok to start a riot. No sir.
I just said I find amusing to see someone trying to label all those who were there as "gang members and not true Laker Fans". I am quite sure that there were lots of non-gang members and Lakers fans destroying things out there...

I just feel bad when someone try to separete people into 'BAD GUYS'/'GOOD GUYS'; 'BLACK'/'WHITE' categories. Sorry, I just can't buy it and find it pretty unacceptable, to say the least.

Mr. Scott's comment was clearly directed to all the "gang members" (BAD GUYS) who put on this board controversial posts, which are so different of all the "true fans of film music" (GOOD GUYS). Just because the guy didn't write names this doesn't mean it isn't personal.

Thanks.

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I just said I find amusing to see someone trying to [b]label all those who were there as "gang members and not true Laker Fans". I am quite sure that there were lots of non-gang members and Lakers fans destroying things out there...

I just feel bad when someone try to separete people into 'BAD GUYS'/'GOOD GUYS'; 'BLACK'/'WHITE' categories. Sorry, I just can't buy it and find it pretty unacceptable, to say the least.

Mr. Scott's comment was clearly directed to all the "gang members" (BAD GUYS) who put on this board controversial posts, which are so different of all the "true fans of film music" (GOOD GUYS). Just because the guy didn't write names this doesn't mean it isn't personal.
André[/B]

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Well, I guess I should clarify myself here.

Mr. Andre perhaps I should dissect my own original post.

A few idiots descided to turn celabration into mayhem and stupidity

Here I labeled all involved in the rioting, regardless if fan, gang member, race, sex etc. as idiots. That might be very harsh, so let me refrase and say that their behaviour was idiotic to say the least.

These people were not real Lakers fans, they were mostly gang members or just unzivilixe individuals.

I give you some leverage here. I just used a phrase used by my neph who is 16 and a big Lakers fan. He was very ashamed what was happening. I did however use the term "real Lakers fans", so in essence I gave them the benefit of the doubt of being a fan.

I did not say they all were gang members, I said mostly gang members and unziviliced individuals. If you watched the video, sir, you will know that many of them were gang members. Everyone else was unziviliced in my book.

the same kind of attitude creeps up...

Well, I'm talking about attitude here, not actions. I do believe certain inidviduals who post here have the same kind of attitude these rioters had, which is mainlly disrespect for other human beings. Whether you destroy someone elses property, attack them verbally it all comes down to a lack of respect for your fellow neighbor.

No, I do not believe these people should have been shot to death. I believe they should be severly punished, but not killed. I'm not that cruel.

For your information, I am not a Lakers fan. Yes, I watched the game. I wanted them to win. But, I'm not a fan as I am a John Williams or film music fan.

I do not see how I was offensive in my post. I did not name people. I refered to the actions of a group of people. This certainly wasn't prejudical. If you have eyes to see, it was clear that many people were gang members and the rest pretty darn unziviliced, even some journalists (your fellow collegues) mentioned this.

Well, as for your first quoted statement here, I pretty much said the same thing.

I do not see people as good or bad. I think we are all bad. No one is good. I don't consider myself good, I have my faults. Some I know, some I don't. I just try to be as good as I can, mostly I have miserably.

In your last statement you are completely wrong. How do you figure I was tallking about gang members who post here. I don't even know if any gang members post here at all. In fact, what I know about gangs, and I know a lot, trust me, I find it highly doubtable that any post here. But if they do, I have no problem with that. I was talking about people with bad attitudes, well, at least bad attitudes in my book.

Lastly, right, I didn't write names. So who in your opinion was I offending. Are you a gang member? How did I offend that? Did I say all gang members do this? Did I say all gang members are bad? Are you unziviliced? Did I say all unziviliced people should be hanged? How in the world was I offensive to anyone on this board? Please, show me. I wanna know. I am not in the business of offending. One of my main goals is to be as respectful to human beings as my Father commands me to, even if they disrespect me. I am not easily offended, so there is no big problem there. Yet I will stand up for other people and friends and family who are being offended in life because of individuals who just love to dish out but just can't stand to take it in themselves.

Mr. Andre, I respect you as a member of this board and as a human being. But before you accuse me of anything, perhaps you should take the time you read my posts objectively wheighing the facts with any preconceived ideas you may have of me, for really you don't know me at all.

To conclude, if I have offended you or anyone else at this board I sincerely apologize that was by no means my intention.

I hope you can accept that...

PeterK,

sorry about this and thank you for your kind words. Unfortunatly I just had to respond to this and hope I did it as respectful and dignified as you have been in your posts.

NP: ET (love is a rare thing these days)

Scott

Thanks, guys.

PeterK

PeterK: you're welcome!

Cheers!

no problem.

Scott

However, after reading all of the squabbles on this board, I'd like to tell you what women think PMS is.

PUTTING up with MEN'S S***!

I think I'll go read a book on movie music.

"Hey!!! Chicano!!"

I don't pretend to understand these people.

SPOR,

I absolutely agree. Hairy ranchers haven't the ability to be humorous. One of them tried to tell me a knock-knock joke one time. It went like this...

Hairy rancher: Knock Knock
Me: Who's there?
(Hairy rancher falls over: dead)

As for those Barber Shop Quartets. I once went to an amateur night where potential singers for groups get on stage and perform solo. I still remember one performer. Not having his tongue shaved that afternoon, he experienced a strange sensation as he sang. The effect caused so many outbursts in the song that the audience actually believed the name of the tune was "Hee Hee! That tickles!"

But as for film music: "A Simple Twist of Fate" is good.