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    Topic:   Seminal Music Moments in Film

     JoeInSanDiego
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    I KNOW this has been done a few times, but I was outside pondering (as I am want to do) and realized that NO ONE...and I mean NO ONE has ever come close to matching what I believe music is supposed to do for a moment than Jerry Goldsmith did in the film POLTERGEIST, when the JoBeth Williams character is all tied up and about to enter the light and her husband (Craig T. Nelson) joins her, desperately wanting to hold on and wanting to go in her place...the music is almost transcendant...and, in my opinion, is the closest thing to perfection I have ever encountered in a movie.

    Your thoughts?

    NP - The Mask of Zorro (Horner)

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    posted 06-13-2000 10:26 AM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    That moment form Poltergiest? Beautiful.

    The Enterprise drydock fly around in ST:TMP. Rhapsodic.

    Luke and Vader's Epic duel from ROTJ. Sublime.

    The appearance of the Buffalo In Dances with Wolves. A complete and perfect musical representaion of these beasts.

    Lots more but ain't got time right now.

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    posted 06-13-2000 11:09 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I haven't seen Poltergeist for a long time. Where on the CD can I find that cue you mentioned (although it probably won't help; sounds like it has to be "seen" with the visuals)?

    NP: The Omen just stopped (the thunderstorm I mentioned earlier was a bad joke. In the middle of the Poltergeist CD, it was already gone )

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    posted 06-13-2000 11:10 AM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    Howard?

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    posted 06-13-2000 11:23 AM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    It's the cue "The Light" when the theme swells full of strings (right Joe?) It's only about 12 seconds but they are a divine 12 seconds.

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    posted 06-13-2000 11:40 AM PT (US)     

     Howard L
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    Rats, I can hear the music/scene Joe's described in my head. It isn't "The Light" nor "Night Visitors", if that's any help. Wish I were home to put on the LP right now!

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    posted 06-13-2000 11:59 AM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    I'm at work now and I can't check my Cd either. I know the music but can't accurately peg the cue title. If it's not "The Light" then could it be "Rebirth"? Set us straight Joe.

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    posted 06-13-2000 12:37 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    The cue Mr. InSanDiego is talking about is "Rebirth." "The Light" underscores the parapsychologist Beatrice Straight's explaining what she believes about what the aferlife might be to young Oliver Robins.

    Off the top of my head: seminal music moments: Luke Skywalker's theme sounding on lonely horn as he looks out at the twin suns setting, A NEW HOPE; the phenomenal Moog synthesizer "Conversation" from CLOSE ENCOUNTERS (as well, earlier in the picture, the thousands of Indians chanting the five-note "communication" theme before Lacombe asks them from where the music came from); the discovery of the natives, KING KONG (Steiner); "Scene D'Amour," Herrmann, VERTIGO; the Forbidden Zone/Scarecrow music, PLANET OF THE APES; the beautifully strange "ballet" that concludes the original GODZILLA; Morricone's "Ecstasy of Gold" from GOOD, BAD & THE UGLY ... never mind where to start, where do I stop??

    NP: THE BLACK HOLE (you couldn't call this seminal, but I've always liked it)

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    posted 06-13-2000 12:46 PM PT (US)     

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    - The climax of "Powder"!! EVERY(****ing)WHERE... (Goldsmith)

    - The scene when Toto's forced to see the demolition of his beloved "Cinema Paradiso"... (Morricone)

    - Luke kicks Vader's ass on ROTJ (Williams)

    - The "Non, Nobis Domine" sequence of "Henry V", starting with Pad Doyle singing... Chewwww!!

    - The entire climax of "ET" (Williams)

    - "The Enterprise" from ST-TMP (Goldsmith)

    etc....

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    posted 06-13-2000 02:15 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    • The short major statement in "Take Her Back Again" from Doyle's Much Ado About Nothing
    • "High Wire Stunts" from Jurassic Park, as well as the sequence when Dr. Sattler runs to the gate
    • When Theoden faces the vast Orc army right before the Riders of Rohan appear in The Lord of the Rings. I know that I consciously heard the music long before I got into film scores


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    posted 06-13-2000 02:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Wow, theres so many isn't there? Being one of the older members I can think of some earlier classic moments...

    "Best Years of Our Lives".......
    Hugo Friedhofer's amazing music as Dana Andrews sits in the WW II bomber he used to fly...the scene where the camera tracks in on the bomber gives me goosebumps.

    "The Vikings"
    Mario Nascimbene's glorious theme that accompanies Kirk Douglas' funeral at the end.

    "Jaws"
    The opening underwater shot as Williams theme blasts out menacingly

    "Star Wars"
    The 20th Century fox fanfare followed by the
    inevitable opening blast of the Star Wars theme.....I have to admit there was a lump in my throat at this moment during TPM as it it just sent me back 23 years to that first experience of watching "Star Wars" in the theatre.

    "James Bond"
    Just hearing the bond theme over the opening gun-barrel shot gets me going. I was amazed to see how little this has changed since Dr. No....a real historic moment of music!!..also all of Barry's Bond music is Seminal!!

    "Intersection"
    James-Newton-Howards music that accompanies Richard Gere's crash. I dont have the score but Howard's music in this scene never fails to touch me.

    "Planet of the Apes"
    Goldsmith's music to "The Hunt" is one of the most haunting and stirring pieces of music in movie history...as well as the rest of the score!

    "Aliens"
    Horner's thundering music in "Countdown and Bishop's rescue"

    Anyway, thats all I can think of for now!!! Cheers
    Gae


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    posted 06-13-2000 03:37 PM PT (US)     

     JoeInSanDiego
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    His H'ness is correct again!! Although THE LIGHT is a truly remarkable (and yes, sublime) moment of tutelage...gorgeous!

    The scene in Hunt for Red October when the Dallas erupts from the sea after being chased by the rogue torpedo...NEVER fails to give me chills just listening to the music!

    NP - Mask of Zorro (Horner) - seem sI am on a Horner kick today...

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    posted 06-13-2000 03:55 PM PT (US)     

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    My nod would have to go to the choral music in the ROTJ duel, as mentioned above.

    Runners up:

    ET last 15 minutes (especially bicycle scenes)

    Braveheart - when he shouts Freedom

    Jurassic Park: Brachiosaurus + Watering Hole in the sun

    Truman Show - When the director speaks to Truamn at the end (music by Kilar)

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    posted 06-13-2000 04:09 PM PT (US)     

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    I always enjoy those moments in films when something longly awaited is revealed to the audience for the first time. If scored well, these scenes always send shivers down my spine, such as these two which come directly to my mind:

    THE ABYSS, when Bud first sees the vastness of the underwater city.

    THE MATRIX, when Neo wakes up.

    --Ted



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    posted 06-13-2000 04:11 PM PT (US)     

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    Lots of good choices there.
    One of my favorites is when Tim Robbins character finally escapes through the sewage pipe in Shawshank Redemption, track of the same name on the album.

    NP : Deadfall - Barry

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    posted 06-13-2000 04:51 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Camillu:
    My nod would have to go to the choral music in the ROTJ duel, as mentioned above.

    Jurassic Park: Brachiosaurus + Watering Hole in the sun


    The ROTJ piece is unrivaled, I didn't mention it because HAL was faster. The Jurassic Park cue is wonderful (I had tears in my eyes when I first watched the movie, later I realized that it was because of the music).

    More:

    • "The Face of Pan" from Hook!!
    • Trinity's escape on the roofs from Matrix (isolated scores ROCK!)

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    posted 06-13-2000 05:29 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    How about the Main Titles in First Contact? Or the first meeting with the Vulcans?

    something odd I'd like to add: Angelo Badalamenti's (or was is tomandandy?) music in the first scene in Arlington Road, with the little boy. I thought that was an extremely powerful scene, really made moreso by the pounding music.

    Desert Chase in Raiders of the Lost Ark, too.

    NP -- In Country, James Horner; the last track of this boot is the worth the price I paid for it a couple years ago.

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    posted 06-13-2000 06:18 PM PT (US)     

     Pete M
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    One of my favorites has got to be in Planet of the Apes, The Hunt cue, I think it's about a minute in, when we first see close the ape on horse-back, accompanied by Goldsmith's magnificent outbreak with the ape-calls (?).
    Tremendous.

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    posted 06-14-2000 03:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh yes,

    Lion King - when Simba is climbing up the rock platform in the rain at the end. Zimmer at his best. (after the baboon says "it is time")

    NP - Great Expectations -Kissing in the Rain (Doyle)

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    posted 06-14-2000 07:36 AM PT (US)     

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    Even though H Rocco doesn't think it is seminal ( ) I've always loved The Black Hole (although I'm not quite sure why...) I first saw it on CED and now that Anchor Bay has released it on DVD (widescreen... yes!), I really should buy it.

    For those who have not seen it, at the start of the movie the overture plays while there is a blank screen. Once that's done, up comes the computer-generated credits (not too bad for 1979 ) with the great "Main Title" (or whatever it's officially called). There's just something about that credit sequence that really sets up the movie well (for me, anyway... Of course, it's no Jurassic Park.)

    I should buy that Howard The Duck/Black Hole disc someday. Too bad that the first digitally-recorded soundtrack has never had a legitimate CD release.

    NP: The River Wild

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    posted 06-14-2000 09:03 AM PT (US)     

     Howard L
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    Who you callin' a duck? Anyway, I'd like to go back to Poltergeist for a minute and say any one of the 4 cues below would make buying the soundtrack a must, but all 4 in one--whoa.

    Carol Ann's Theme (innocent)
    Night Visitors (sinister)
    The Light (wondrous)
    Rebirth (gloriously twisted)

    I might add that the "sound" that immediately came to mind upon the Sheriff's description shows up in "Twisted Abduction" but is certainly brought to full fruition in "Rebirth". You could describe it as what the orchestra and chorus would sound like if you took them and their instruments in your hand like putty and bent 'em around and twisted 'em & bent 'em back. The choral effect alone is highly reminiscent of that employed by R. Kraushaar (credited) to underscore the sandpit abductions in Invaders From Mars (1953). It was a truly horrific sound later expanded for the film's climax.

    And Mr. Rocco, perhaps the simple piano, harp & vibraphone (?) interpolations of the Carol Ann theme find a direct precursor in the theme of "innocence" for young Henry Temple in G's score to Twilight Zone's "The Big Tall Wish" some 20+ years earlier?


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    posted 06-14-2000 01:29 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Mr. Little: Now that I think of it, THE BLACK HOLE truly WAS seminal in at least one respect: it was the first-ever digitally recorded film soundtrack. Back at the very dawn of FSM, they started a letter-writing campaign to Disney, imploring them to release a CD, partly as an historical document (it was thought that citing the first-ever-digital aspect might flatter Disney into putting the score back out.) THE BLACK HOLE is a wretched film in many respects, and a beautiful one in some others -- astonishing Oscar-nominated cinematography by Frank Phillips, big, wonderful, expansive sets and special effects setpieces ... and some of the worst dialogue to come down the science-fiction pike in a LONG time. Robert Forster, in particular, seemed absolutely in pain for much of the movie, but Maximilian Schell was hilarious -- he knew exactly what he was in and what he was doing, and he stole it with aplomb. (I sometimes wondered if the director Gary Nelson even recognized how much fun Schell was having -- the actor managed the curious feat of sending up his assignment while simultaneously sticking rigorously to the "mad scientist" role he'd been given. Meanwhile, the underrated Yvette Mimieux somehow managed to play it completely and believably straight. Curiously, Anthony Perkins was relatively restrained as Dr. Durant, who is eventually shredded by the cool red robot Maximillian [sic]. Hmm, I'm thinking I want to go rent this now ... it's a dreadful film on many levels, but also is really the most physically BEAUTIFUL of the 1979 post-STAR WARS imitators ... I'll never forget that big meteor rolling down the middle of the ship ...)

    Mr. L: You are readier than I to make any and all connections to old TWILIGHT ZONE episodes. I wonder, did any of Goldsmith's music get tracked into "Little Girl Lost"? (And remember the one Goldsmith DID score with the strange little girl on the staircase? Possibly called "Nighmare As a Child"? Goldsmith's music for that one seemed to me a paraphrase of "Big Tall Wish" even at the time I saw it, just as "Nervous Man in a $4 Room" is a clear paraphrase of the earlier "The Five Of Us Here Are Dying" -- or was it "FOUR Of Us Here?" I think that one starred Don Gordon. Sorry, I don't have the index in front of me and it's literally half my life ago when I saw these last ...)

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    posted 06-14-2000 10:40 PM PT (US)     

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    I was 20 when I saw The Black Hole in it's initial Theatrical release and even then I knew it was trash. Part 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea and Star Wars it was Disney's attempt to cash in on the Star Wars phenomenon. It's interesting how good Star Trek:TMP still looks in comparison to this despite the fact that they were theatrical comtemporaries.

    Disney did get it right a couple of years later though with its ambitious and revolutionary TRON (oh-so-cool score by Wendy Carlos). Films like The Matrix owe something to this 80s minor classic. Done when computer graphics were instill relatively young this movie deserves a remake.

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    posted 06-15-2000 09:06 AM PT (US)     

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    "I wonder, did any of Goldsmith's music get tracked into 'Little Girl Lost'? (And remember the one Goldsmith DID score with the strange little girl on the staircase? Possibly called 'Nighmare As a Child'? Goldsmith's music for that one seemed to me a paraphrase of "Big Tall Wish" even at the time I saw it..."

    LGL was underscored in toto by Mr. Herrmann but your query is most understandable since Polotergeist (the story) had its roots in LGL. "Nightmare" was tracked with stock music and if memory serves, you are quite correct that G's child theme from Big Tall Wish was within the stock. BTW, I think the "Theme from St Elmo's Fire" contains a synthesized-equivalent to the Temple/Marky/Carol Ann "sound."

    "...just as 'Nervous Man in a $4 Room' is a clear paraphrase of the earlier 'The Five Of Us Here Are Dying' -- or was it 'FOUR Of Us Here?' I think that one starred Don Gordon."

    Oh yes, your man from Papillon was one of the faces (including Ross Martin's) among "The Four Of Us Are Dying." I don't think I'd classify Nervous Man as a "paraphrase" along the same lines as the other thread, but perhaps more of a "companion piece," what with the jazz elements & all. Interesting that you should bring up his score for Nervous Man; the rhythm and sound of the maracas in the opening of his suite for LA Confidential sounded identical to that employed many moons earlier to underscore the nervous agitation of the Jackie Rhoades character in Nervous Man.

    I would hope that the similarities dicussed in this thread don't give anyone ideas that Mr. G was playing the Horner game of the self-ripoff variety. I have to admit, however, that Mr. Herrmann had a severe attack of Horneritis when he composed Mysterious Island. It is highly derivative--including what my ear tells me are carbon-copied notes--of his music composed in 1959 for Twilight Zone's pilot episode, "Where Is Everybody?." And the scene in Psycho when Lila enters Norman's room contains a very similar, if not same cue from TZ's "Walking Distance."


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    posted 06-15-2000 09:48 AM PT (US)     

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    (shrug) I don't feel like getting into another let's-jump-on-Horner, at least not today (I think I gave vivid enough examples of his thefts from OTHERS in Detroit, which vex me more than his self-quotes). But all composers do this to one extent or another: there's no question that Herrmann could be EXTREMELY repetitive, and dismissive of such comparisons as GHOST AND MRS. MUIR to (I think) his opera "Wuthering Heights." ("It sounds the same because I wrote it! My music sounds like me!") And if you listen to ENOUGH Goldsmith, you'll hear the same kinds of things over and over as well ... especially when he was doing back-to-back scores in the seventies, there's considerable spillover in such seemingly dissimilar projects as LOGAN'S RUN and THE OMEN, or CONTRACT ON CHERRY STREET and CAPRICORN ONE.

    And since this thread's originally about "seminal" scores, I should point out that CAPRICORN ONE is one of the most influential and most imitated action scores ever written. That booming main title permanently engraved the name of Goldsmith on my conscious, even though I'd been unwittingly paying attention to his stuff for many years already. (At that time I still thought soundtrack albums were only issued for "event" movies like STAR WARS and SUPERMAN; had I realized there was an album for CAPRICORN ONE right then, I'd have jumped right on it. Had to wait till high school for that kind of revelation. In the interim, my ONLY Goldsmith album was, of course, STAR TREK - TMP. You have no idea what I felt like at age fourteen discovering SOME record stores actually had BIG sections JUST for soundtracks ... when I discovered the fold-out PLANET OF THE APES LP, I nearly levitated ...)

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    posted 06-15-2000 11:05 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by H Rocco:
    Mr. Little: Now that I think of it, THE BLACK HOLE truly WAS seminal in at least one respect: it was the first-ever digitally recorded film soundtrack. Back at the very dawn of FSM, they started a letter-writing campaign to Disney, imploring them to release a CD, partly as an historical document (it was thought that citing the first-ever-digital aspect might flatter Disney into putting the score back out.)

    I wrote an email to Disney once (about a year ago, I think) and asked them if a release was planned... the response: "no, a release is not planned at this time." Maybe I should sit down and write a real letter, but I'm sure it probably wouldn't do any good.

    I'm a bit surprised that somebody else hasn't picked this soundtrack up... (example: Intrada picked up the Disney film Night Crossing.) But, I have a feeling that the Duck/Black Hole MASK bootleg has probably removed all chance of this being officially released.

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    posted 06-15-2000 08:13 PM PT (US)     

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    that Duck/ Hole disc sounds way too good to be a bootleg.

    are you sure it's a boot? It is a REAL pressed CD (if that really means anything).

    and the packaging is way too good (not that I'm griping):

    there's a 1999 copyright (maybe doesn't mean anything?)
    and an address and email for the company that released it.
    and the covers are really pretty well done.

    could there be some sort of international licensing agreement at play here?


    NP -- Second Jungle Book, John Scott

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    posted 06-15-2000 09:37 PM PT (US)     

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    JJH,

    I just bought the Hole/Duck disc. I have to agree that the packaging and sound is very good.

    The thing that says "bootleg" to me is the fact that the CD has those "bonus" cues and the suite of Black Hole music on track 11. I think this suite contains arrangements of the music that were not used in the film.

    It isn't typical of "real" releases to have unrelated bonus tracks on the disc.

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    posted 06-24-2000 03:17 PM PT (US)     
     

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