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Aaron Collins

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Well, this morning I wake up, check my email, and find out that the Patriot score has been reviewed and is accompanied by soundclips!Let me tell you, from what I have heard and read, "THIS SOUNDTRACK IS GONNA BE AWESOME!"
John Williams created a score that I am indeed looking forward to. I personallty cannot wait for this to be released.
Later,
Aaron CollinsNP: Patriot clips
posted 06-09-2000 07:50 AM PT (US) 
JoeInSanDiego

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I am with you, Aaron. With The Patriot, The Perfect Storm and The Hollow Man, the BIG THREE are in full swing and DAMN it's exciting!!!!NP - Dinosaur (JNH - the big four?)
posted 06-09-2000 08:26 AM PT (US) 
Hard Target
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Well it's release date is in 2 weeks on Hollywood Records that should definetly be awesome. The Hollow Man, Patriot, and The Perfect Storm are the big three Joel, but you forgot to mention Michael Kamen's The X-Men, Alan Silvestri's What Lies Beneath, David Arnold's Shaft, Mark Isham's Navy Diver, and Mark Mancina's Bait as big time goodies.
posted 06-09-2000 09:41 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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Where are the soundclips?
posted 06-09-2000 09:50 AM PT (US) 
Aaron Collins

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www.soundtrackmag.comThere you will see the soundclips!
Enjoy them, I did!
Latz,
Aaronposted 06-09-2000 10:55 AM PT (US) 
JoeInSanDiego

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GOOD STUFF...but I'd like to hear it on something other than Real Audio...man that sound sucks....NP - nothing...had to stop the cd player so I could hear The Patriot...
posted 06-09-2000 12:14 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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Seeing as how Williams came in to replace David Arnold, how long did he have to score the film? Didn't Arnold already began work on the score, and got some of it done before being replace? Does this mean the Emmerich/Devlin-Arnold partnership is over? Will Batman escape the clutches of The Joker's tickle machine? Will Robin learn how to dress like a man?Oops. Sorry.
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posted 06-09-2000 12:26 PM PT (US) 
Darth Fart

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72 minutes of Williams? A generous CD. I'll buy it even though the music didn't excite me when I heard those clips.
posted 06-09-2000 12:37 PM PT (US) 
Captain Howdy

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Hmmm...well...not TOO impressed by the clips, but that's what I said when I heard clips from "Angela's Ashes" last year, and it ended up being one of my favorites of the year. Guess I'll have to wait and see.NP: Hamlet (Burwell) 5/5
posted 06-09-2000 12:48 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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YEAH BABY!!!!! Bring on June 27th. Williams never disappoints me. This score sounds great.
posted 06-09-2000 04:15 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I suspect Williams had more time to work on this score than, for example, ROSEWOOD, where he was replacing a complete and already recorded score by Stanley Clarke. In the case of THE PATRIOT, it appears that David Arnold only wrote and recorded a few demo ideas before being dumped in favor of Williams. I have little doubt that Williams' score for THE PATRIOT will be just fine, and infinitely better than the sure-to-be-overproduced-and-ridiculous endeavor by the Evil Twins will deserve. (Early prognosis: THE PATRIOT will be one of the summer's surprise flops. I am NOT the only person that believes this.)NP: OUT OF SIGHT (David Holmes)
posted 06-09-2000 08:53 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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The clips of The Patriot don't excite me much.. But I am waiting to hear The Hollow Man! (trailer)NP: 13th Warrior
posted 06-09-2000 09:03 PM PT (US) 
Boris

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I don't give a friggin' FLIP about The Patriot, lock, stock and friggin' score.BUT if my favorite reviewers and movie fans all give it a THUMBS UP...I'll see it!

posted 06-09-2000 09:11 PM PT (US) 
Ford A. Thaxton

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"(Early prognosis: THE PATRIOT will be one of the summer's surprise flops. I am NOT the only person that believes this.)"
_____________________________________________But have you or these folks seen any of it?
A Month or so ago I attended a screening of about 45 minutes of THE PATRIOT in a work print form for crtiics.
What I saw impressed on a number of levels,the script seemed pretty,the performances were strong, it loked awesome.
If your expecting the comic book tone of ID4 or GODZILLA, your going to be very disappointed.
The film is very serious in tone and has some very shocking and dark moments that will distrub some folks. (Assuming they haven't taken out the sequence I saw)
This film stands a real shot at not only doing serious business, but being a critical success as well.
I guess we'll all know June 30th.posted 06-09-2000 11:50 PM PT (US) 
Hard Target
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Let's get the record straight. David Arnold did not have his potential score rejected. The operative word is potential because he only wrote demos of the themes to what would've been the theme of the score. He and director Roland Emmerich mutually agreed to part ways after the producers felt that if they had a chance to sign John Williams to score the film and surely enough, they did. As far as the other replacement score that Williams eventually scored Rosewood, it was Wynton Marsalius who he replaced and his score is available on Sony Classical as an album called Reeltime. Upon hearing both Marsalius' and Williams' scores for this film, I enjoyed both of them. Marsalius' is different and somewhat more distant then what appeared on the screen. It's a nice score laced with jazz and gospel influences. It's a good pick up if you're curious about this score. Williams is a perfect fit no question about it. It's just too bad the film didn't live up to expectations though. Meanwhile, I'm really looking forward to Williams' The Patriot and the film doesn't look that bad either. Along with David Arnold's Shaft which should be killer. Here's some trivia:Who directed the Williams scored Rosewood and upcoming Arnold scored Shaft?
posted 06-09-2000 11:56 PM PT (US) 
SPOR

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Mel Gibson's continuing pitbull inpersonations instill in me a peculiar nostalgia for Kevin Costner.Attaching John Williams to a July 4th weekend opener about the Civil War is marketing brilliance. That the score will be overlong by an hour seems beside the point. $$$$$$$$$!
Releasing said drama in an election year is sheer politicing. Perhaps the only source of amusement the film might have for me is, who's side it's intended to best serve, the Democrats or the Republicans. Expect the talking heads to be all abuzz with its assumed relevance while some unnoteworthy, Southern congressman raises the issue of the sanctity of the Stars and Stripes...yet again.
Maybe you've already guessed I'm not going to go see it....
[This message has been edited by SPOR (edited 10 June 2000).]
posted 06-10-2000 12:35 AM PT (US) 
Chase&August
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Hard Target - I believe that would be John Singleton, correct?
posted 06-10-2000 12:46 AM PT (US) 
DeadPoet
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quote:
Originally posted by Ford A. Thaxton:
If your expecting the comic book tone of ID4 or GODZILLA, your going to be very disappointed.Who in their right mind would ever be expecting this film to take on a comic book tone similar to "ID4" or "Godzilla?" Certainly there are those out there expecting this film to follow those roots, but if you've seen the preview(s) then you shouldn't still be having those thoughts. Anyway, I'll be there opening day, 'cause the film looks amazing, and Mr. Mel "Braveheart" Gibson will be starring in it. Gibson created my favorite movie of all time when he made "Braveheart," and I hope he delivers a similar patriotic performance for this epic war film as he did in "Braveheart." I, for one, can't wait.
--Jason S.
posted 06-10-2000 02:03 AM PT (US) 
Foobsie
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Is it just me or did I detect a hint of the Christmas tune "Little Drummer Boy"?Pa rapa pa raaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Come, they told me............
Pa rapa pa raaaaaaaaaaaaaa!Tsssskk,
Foobs
NP: AIRWOLF THEMES Re-arranged by Mark J. Cairns, original composer Sylvester Levay. *****/*****
posted 06-10-2000 03:11 AM PT (US) 
Ford A. Thaxton

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Attaching John Williams to a July 4th weekend opener about the Civil War is marketing brilliance. That the score will be overlong by an hour seems beside the point. $$$$$$$$$
__________________________________________________________________________________FYI, the film is set during the AMERICAN Revolutionary WAR, the Civil didn't happen until about 80 years later.
Just thought you'd like to know.Regards
Ford A. Thaxton
posted 06-10-2000 09:32 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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quote:
Originally posted by SPOR:
That the score will be overlong by an hour seems beside the point.Seeing that the score is 72 minutes long, I suppose you would have liked to see a 12 minute long score?
Scott
posted 06-10-2000 03:33 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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It's just amazing how people make their minds up about scores, films, acting etc. without having even seen, heard or witnessed any of it yet.Scott
posted 06-10-2000 03:34 PM PT (US) 
SPOR

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I stand corrected...the American Revolution. My apologies Ford. Still, the end result is the same.And, considering the extent to which they divulge the contents of a film in protracted commercials and movie trailers now-in-days, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put the rest of the pieces togethor. Besides, what was the last summer blockbuster you saw that wasn't cobbled togethor from a litany of better films.
And if you've been listening to John Williams music at all this past decade you should pretty well know what to expect.
As to Mel Gibson's acting abilities: have you seen Hamlet? Or, perhaps you dig his hysterics in Ransom..."BRING ME BACK MY SON"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ehhhh, he's obviously an acqired taste I'm not particular to. The Mad Max series best served his talents...since he had barely to open his mouth to get the point across...'I am fury, see me roar'.
posted 06-10-2000 04:36 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Sometimes it's ENTIRELY possible to know what a talent, or no-talent, is going to bring to the party. I've seen nearly ALL of Roland Emmerich's films to date, both pre-and-post Dean Devlin. I know what he's about. He will have no capacity to surprise, any more than he's ever had.I'm always happy at the prospect of another epic John Williams score, though.
posted 06-10-2000 07:14 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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H ROCCO forgive me for this, but I've actually enjoyed the three movies D&E ahve done together. Although as you remember I would have enjoyed Godziila much more if they had called it something else. Sometimes I want a movie that will make me forget lifes trials and sometimes their movies do it. I think D&E have a talent for designing shots, camera angles and how to shoot special effects. It's their writing scripts and casting decisions I question. If they would leave the writing and casting to someone else they might actually make very good movies. I'm looking forward to seeing The Patriot. I've heard nothing but good reviews for this movie and hey Williams is da man!!!! If the movie bombs or sucks at least I'll have another oustanding Williams score to add to my collection.
posted 06-10-2000 10:43 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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I think I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt here.Their previous movies like ID4 and Stargate are by no means masterpieces.
Maybe they'll do better with a period film, with muskets firing instead of aliens and big green lizards.
The previews have looked amazing to me, and I'll be the first in line to buy Williams' score.
NP -- 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
posted 06-11-2000 07:17 AM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I for one am looking forward to this movie and am
HOPING for a decent show. If I had to nominate movies
from the last five months for Oscars, I couldn’t
pick a single one in the best picture category. I get hyped
on previews like for Battlefield Earth or Mission to Mars, and
then discover that the best things about various movies are
in the trailers. I’m hoping some epic or intelligent movies like The
Sixth Sense or American Beauty are lurking out there somewhere.
I’ve heard two scores that I think are Oscar caliber: Dinosaur and
Mission to Mars.I’m truly hoping that The Patriot will be an excellent film, and I always
eagerly anticipate a Williams’ score. I have to kindly disagree with
SPOR2 about Mel Gibson. I think he is an unheralded actor. I’ve
seen many Hamlets, and his version is my favorite. I love his visceral
Hamlet, with an exterior of bravado and muscle juxtaposed against
a seething, aching inner turmoil. I felt he mastered the difficulty of
iambic pentameters, and that his speech flowed naturally and
poetically. I couldn’t believe that he wasn’t nominated for an Oscar. To
me the best thing about Ransom was his shattering breakdown from
the recognition that his actions may have cost him his son. The there is
his quiet, dignified performance in Man Without A Face and his
comedic timing in the Lethal Weapon series. Patriot looks like it will
resurrect his animated, physical presence, and I would bet he
will give his all.(sigh) I’ve been so disappointed in the movies in the past 5 months,
that I’m almost afraid to hope but will anyway. One charmer that I enjoyed
was From The Heart which had the class to fully develop minor
characters. (And I was fond of Shanghai Noon and Frequency.)[This message has been edited by joan hue (edited 11 June 2000).]
posted 06-11-2000 02:39 PM PT (US) 
Rang
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"It's just amazing how people make their minds up about scores, films, acting etc. without having even seen, heard or witnessed any of it yet."Scott, I agree. However, I do think it's mildly possible to ascertain what one will like and not like based on past experiences. For example, I have no interest in John Woo films, and from reviews, clips, etc. that I've seen of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 2, I doubt it will be a film I'd derive any enjoyment from. Could I be wrong? Sure. It wouldn't be the first time. But lets also be honest: until I see M: I2, I won't know if my preconceptions are right or wrong (and yes, eventually, I probably will see it, since my dad would like to and has been asking me about it; probably the $1 show or when it gets to video). And that's where I agree with you. You can form an opinion based on past experiences, but its superficial unless you actually see the film and can back up that initial impression.
On THE PATRIOT, though I haven't really cared for Emmerich's films so far, from the previews I've seen, it looks promising. The clips of Williams' score are just that: clips. And so I really don't know what to say other than it sounded interesting, and I'm looking forward to it.
[This message has been edited by Rang (edited 11 June 2000).]
posted 06-11-2000 03:34 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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It *is* surprising how many people make up their minds even *before* they've seen the movie....from everyone who screams "This movie is going to ROCK!", to those who are "so certain this will bomb"....it's almost impossible to approach a movie with a wholly fresh and unassuming demeanor.Perhaps being a film score fan is even more frustrating, because as music lovers, we know that music can comprise the real soul of the film. That's what make us an interesting lot--being able to determine the tone of the film before your average film-goer...
Knowing that [insert least favorite composer here] is going to score the film adaptation of a film book you read and really enjoyed--it can be disheartening. But on the other hand, not every film score can be composed by the *same* composer, again and again.
It's possible to be of the opinion that the best is in the past, and there's nothing to look forward to. However, there's always that possibility to be pleasantly surprised. But the overwhelming cynicism that usually accompanies such deconstructive criticism is a pretty tough shell to crack. One wonders whether it's possible for the enjoyment of *anything* anymore with the preconceptive bitterness that is generated.
Hmm...how to close on an upbeat...(?)
I think that those of us who have faith in our artists, and approach the subject matter with a kind of universal acceptance--we are going to have the most fulfilling experience(s). Some more than others, of course....We go to movies and listen to film music not because it's a chore--because it's FUN--because it's fulfilling to our personas, our souls. Are we better for having a terrible experience or an exceptional one? If the way to fulfill ourselves is to focus on the negative aspects of our experiences in order to supplement and/or reinforce our self-worth, well--that's something we've got to live with.
Granted, this isn't about changing the world, and altering existance as we know it--it's fun, it's entertainment. I think we all know that--I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence by stating the obvious, there.
Those of you who enjoy Williams--(I can't really say "unconditionally"--everything has its' limits)--have faith. Likewise, Mel Gibson fans--I think these artists have demonstrated their mastery of their artform, so that what we experience will be what they intend. We can accept it or reject it--but not before we experience it. I think Dave Matthews said it--and I apologize for a potential mis-quote, but the effect is something of: "The past is no place for your better days."posted 06-11-2000 04:31 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
