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Topic: "Sleep Hollow"
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dantoris
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I watched the film earlier this evening, and, despite being rather disappointed by it (except for the first 45 minutes or so), I found the score pretty enjoyable.How is it on CD? Damn it! Can't believe I miss-spelled the title. I hate not being able to edit the titles of your post! [This message has been edited by dantoris (edited 31 May 2000).]
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posted 05-31-2000 11:01 PM PT (US) ip
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Kris
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It's a great score. It's dark. It has this typically Elfmannish gothic undertone. Don't expect something as memorable as Batman Returns or Sissorhands. The theme is melodious but more in a dark sense. I really love this score. Elfman returns to what he's best at.
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posted 06-01-2000 02:50 AM PT (US) ip
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Hard Target
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Big brassy and bomastic. The Elfman we know and love. Snoochy Bootches!!!
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posted 06-01-2000 09:21 AM PT (US) ip
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dantoris
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To be honest, I never even heard a theme, or any recurring musical cue at all.
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posted 06-01-2000 11:05 AM PT (US) ip
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SPOR2
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I made several attempts to listen through to the end of this CD but could never make it past the 15 minute mark...there just wasn't anything of substance to hang my ear on...and as I don't have the patience to sit through 60 minutes of gobbely-gook, I sold it.
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posted 06-01-2000 12:30 PM PT (US) ip
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robin4
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Besides Batman, my fav by Elfman (and I love him). Easily one of the best of last year.
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posted 06-01-2000 12:52 PM PT (US) ip
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Al
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The "Legend of Sleepy Hollow" theme is everywhere in the score. Almost like a lullaby, it's used as a motif in many, many different ways. Really, it's not mixed well into the movie, but on CD you'll notice it right away. You'll just smack yourself in the face, because there it was the whole time just staring you in the face.
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posted 06-01-2000 04:02 PM PT (US) ip
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JJH
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Hey, the true test of Sleepy Hollow is the fact that Andre Lux has admitted liking it.This should mean that it's a great score!  Np -- Hamlet, Burwell
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posted 06-01-2000 04:08 PM PT (US) ip
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Andre Lux
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Upa! I would stay in silence on this one but... Who said I liked it??
Sorry, but I don't like Elfman's scores for fantasy movies.
In fact I found "Sleepy Hollow" to be pretty anoying - both movie and score. The music is bombastic and loud. The same Elfman's clichés of always: irritating bursts of orchestra and chorus everytime something happens on screen.Something like this:
-"Oh! Here comes the Headless Horseman!!"
[Music:]
TCHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMM!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!
FRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMM!!!
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAA!!!
FUNFA-FUNFA-FUN-FA-FOM-FOM-FOM!!!
... and so on. Sorry. Just my (not so) humble opinion... I think mr. Spor2 expressed what I think about it better, above. I said I like "Instinct", one of Elfman's serious, contained scores which he does much better.
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posted 06-01-2000 05:29 PM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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Andre liked Sleepy Hollow? Must have missed that.  Anyway, it's really a good score, although the tracks on the lengthy CD don't sound very different from each other. Quite complex orchestrations. "The Windmill" stands out.NP: The Omen: The Essential Jerry Goldsmith Film Music Collection
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posted 06-01-2000 05:41 PM PT (US) ip
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JJH
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Oops. my memory failed.Sorry AndreMan. I shoulda known better. apparently, my brain has turned into sausage.
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posted 06-01-2000 05:45 PM PT (US) ip
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Crono/Kyp
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Jeron and I wrote a review about 6 months ago, here is the link http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum6/HTML/000053.html --Kyp
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posted 06-01-2000 05:51 PM PT (US) ip
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James
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I love this score! Actually, I slightly agree with something Andre hinted at, but I have a totally different take on it... in many parts of the score it seems like Danny just didn't take the movie seriously, but unlike Andre I don't consider this a bad thing.Anyway, I love it, especially on CD. 5/5 for me. I liked the movie very much too... it was a helluva lot better than that other movie which opened the same day... James
NP - Wilde (Debbie Wiseman, incredibly depressing, excellent score)
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posted 06-01-2000 06:42 PM PT (US) ip
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SPOR2
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Actually, Andre, you're phonetic interpretations of Elfman's bag of lint coated tricks are, by far, more amusing. You should put out an interprative album. I'd buy it... "Elfman Unplugged: The Lux Recordings" or, "Live in Brazil: Andre does Danny"...(hmmm...last one sounds like a Kristjon Bjorn video...well, maybe you'll just do the underscore).
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posted 06-01-2000 06:45 PM PT (US) ip
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dantoris
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James - What movie would that be?I just got finished watching the film again, and I must say I enjoyed it much more the second time around. I still have a couple minor problems with it, but in the end, it was suspensful murder mystery with a well-written script that keeps you guessing throughout. Above all, I absolutely LOVED the overall look of the film. It is already nominated for and probably win the Dantoris Award for Best Cinematography on my Dantoris movies page.
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posted 06-01-2000 10:39 PM PT (US) ip
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Andre Lux
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SPOR2: LOL!!
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posted 06-02-2000 08:44 AM PT (US) ip
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Thor
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A fantastic film with a fantastic score.Something happened with Elfman in 1996 and MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE. Since then, his "sound" has been different - both relating to his subdued scores and more action-oriented scores. And even when he has returned to the good 'ol Burton world (MARS ATTACKS!, SLEEPY HOLLOW), it is a very different thing. Not different as in worse. Just different. More complex. Harder-to-grasp themes. Lots of contrapuntal writing. Jampacked with orchestral details. An abundance of subdued, intelligently used choir. And more. SLEEPY HOLLOW is in other words a combination of the Burton-Elfman we fell in love with in the late 80's and the new, post-MISSION:IMPOSSIBLE Elfman of the late 90's. Although it was poorly mixed in the film (except the opening credits), the music stands perfectly on its own (as does most film music, by the way). Demands repeated listenings, and CAN be a tad on the repetitive/intense side with its 60+ minutes. I'll agree on that...
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posted 06-02-2000 10:18 AM PT (US) ip
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Andy Lindahl
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Thor,you think it was porrly mixed? The version I saw was like a long Elfman music video. The music was extremely loud - mixed way above the sound effects. Great!
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posted 06-03-2000 01:52 PM PT (US) ip
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Andre Lux
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quote:
Originally posted by Thor:
...More complex. Harder-to-grasp themes. Lots of contrapuntal writing. Jampacked with orchestral details. An abundance of subdued, intelligently used choir. And more.
In another words, Elfman's trying to become Elliot Goldenthal but lacks the necessary craftsmanship do achieve what he can do with just one hand... Poor fella... 
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posted 06-03-2000 02:47 PM PT (US) ip
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Gae
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All this discussion on Danny Elfman and not even a murmur from SFT. Are you still here SFT or am I just living in the past and nostalgically yearning to go back to the "Halcyon" days of this board??
Gae
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posted 06-04-2000 02:35 PM PT (US) ip
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Thor
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Andy:Well, there were parts of the film where Elfman's music dominated (like the opening credits and the final wagon sequence), but most of the time when the musical action climax coexisted with the sound effects action climax, the music lost out. However, the thumping bassline that popped up whenever the Headless Horseman appeared was clearly audible. Andre: Although I (as always) disagree with your opinion and the insulting way you express it, your comparison to Goldenthal is not unwarranted. Goldenthal and Elfman are two of the most innovative composers working in Hollywood today, and there are similarities. However, they both have a very distinct voice - Goldenthal is known for his frenetic brass and string clusters combined with "coriglian" orchestrations, whereas Elfman is known (among other things) for his use of countermelodies and innovative percussion. A Goldenthal SLEEPY HOLLOW would sound very different, yet probably just as innovative as Elfman's. [This message has been edited by Thor (edited 05 June 2000).]
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posted 06-05-2000 06:34 AM PT (US) ip
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Andre Lux
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No Thor, old pal.
It would just sound better.
And it would make the movie less unberable and ridiculous, that's for sure.  Anyway, just saw "Good Will Hunting" last night and it features a nice Elfman's score.
Indee, just another proof that Elfman can compose nice scores when he drops all the bombastic, frenzy and amateurish use of huge orchestras and goes for the small, intimate instrumentations.
Let the huge scores for those who knows how to do it properly! Cheers!
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posted 06-05-2000 06:43 AM PT (US) ip
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