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    Topic:   Score albums are re-recordings?

     JJH
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    'nother silly question:

    So many of the scores that were issued on LP, over the course of time I have learned are re-recordings, like John Williams' The Fury, or Goldsmith's The Swarm LP, presumably to save on re-use fees?
    They hired 2 different orchestras to perform, one for the film, and another for a score album?

    I'm drawing a blank on other examples right now, but the point is this:

    why isn't such a philosophy employed today?
    A lot of albums are cut terribly short because of these dreaded fees. Why not re-record it the old way?

    I told you it was silly...

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    posted 05-26-2000 04:36 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    Thats in noway a silly question.
    I'd like to know the answer myself.

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    posted 05-26-2000 04:40 PM PT (US)     

     Ford A. Thaxton
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    The truth?
    Lack of time.

    Films tended to be scored earlier then they are now, in some cases a film was finished and in the can months before it was released.

    In the case of "The Fury" Williams was in England I think scoring SUPERMAN when a deal was made with Arista and it was just cheaper to book the LSO for day and re-record the music for release, it also allowed Williams to adapt and extend some of his cues for album release, in much the same way he did on JAWS.

    In the case of THE SWARM a record deal was already in Place by the time scoring was being done and it was just easier hiring the same Orchestra for two or three additional sessions at the record recording rate (which is cheaper then the film recording rate) and record the LP.

    These days, with films only be scored less then two weeks before release, there is no way to do this and have a record out in time for the film's release.

    Which is why today we see more OST releases.


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    Ford A. Thaxton

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    posted 05-26-2000 06:54 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Additionally, this is why we rarely hear music from the FILM ITSELF used on the trailer FOR the film -- this used to be the standard operating procedure.

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    posted 05-26-2000 09:04 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    From what I've read several times over at the "other board", Williams had still some sessions left after recording Superman and used them to record the Fury album?

    NP: Symphony #10 (Dmitri Shostakovich; Berliner Philharmoniker/Karajan)
    2nd movement, meant to portray Stalin.

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    posted 05-27-2000 07:31 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    Ah, the age old question...

    What does "Original Motion Picture Score" mean?

    Sometimes the term is used in order to distinguish one release from another. Although this is a fairly recent development, it can be seen in practice as far back as Elmer Bernstein's "Heavy Metal" LP.

    Sometimes it's used to distinguish between the recording heard in the film and heard on the album. This is where some of the confusion shows up. After all, "Jaws," "The Ten Commandments" and "The Fury" all state on the album sleeves that they are from the original soundtracks, and they are all re-recordings.

    Sometimes it's used for no reason whatsoever, as the recording on the album is that from the film, and there is no other album released, i.e. "Silence of the Lambs."

    NP - "Dragonslayer" Original Motion Picture Score by Alex North; apparently this is the original soundtrack as well! More and more confusing....

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    posted 05-27-2000 12:51 PM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    At least in some cases the results of re-recording a film score for LP/CD release have been stunning. Asides from the above mentioned THE FURY, Horner's re-do of BRAINSTORM with the London Symphony Orchestra was much much better than the original soundtrack recording.

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    posted 05-27-2000 02:36 PM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    Ah... here's another one:

    The original motion picture score from "Time After Time" by Milkos Rozsa sounds very much like the recording in the film....

    Nicholas, you are right, sometimes the score album works better than the soundtrack recording, but many times, especially when a smaller orchestra is used (the old United Artists records) it DOES lose something. They still may be awesome albums, but they may not be representatives of their respective scores. Let's not forget "Capricorn One!"

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    posted 05-28-2000 01:09 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I usually prefer the original recording, too. But the The Fury album works better than the film version, I guess. Especially Gillian's Escape, which is played faster (but still slow) than in the movie. I'd probably fall asleep when hearing the movie version on CD. Although I think there ARE two or three cues that would be fine to have on CD.

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    posted 05-28-2000 02:44 PM PT (US)     

     Richard
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    Has anyone noticed that on "Hummell gets the rockets" from "The Rock", that the cd version sounds slightly different to the Filme version?

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    posted 05-28-2000 11:39 PM PT (US)     
     

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